Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 20

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Have you noticed the number of criminals who write books these days? Unbelievable...

Did the chair break or did he fall off?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1516416/posts?page=2632#2632

think he probably stood on it and knocked it over....
thanks for the ping.

I believe it would be beneficial to relook at some interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays interview is

10-03-05 Nancy Grace

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, after an Aruban judge let all three suspects walk free in the Natalee Holloway case, including a fellow judge`s son, the chief suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot, court watchers thought the case was over. But tonight, Natalee`s parents say, no way.
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Tonight, a summer of incredible pain and frustration to the point of pure exhaustion for the parents of missing 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway. Natalee went missing off her senior trip to Aruba. And tonight, her family back in the U.S. in our HEADLINE NEWS studio.

Now even though they`re here, the battle to find out what happened to Natalee still rages. The Kalpoe brothers and chief suspect, judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot, walked free.
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GRACE: You know what? The Aruban government may have released all three suspects in the disappearance of 18-year-old American Natalee Holloway, but the case is not over. Joran Van Der Sloot, the judge`s son from Aruba, is free to leave the island and go study in the Netherlands. He gave an interview off the cuff. We have that sound for you. Also with us tonight, two very special guests. Natalee`s mother, Beth Twitty, is with us. Her stepdad, Jug Twitty. You`ve seen them night after night leading the battle to find their girl. Very quickly to "A Current Affair" correspondent Harris Faulkner.

Harris, any updates?

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, after catching up with Joran Van Der Sloot in Holland and getting that interview, that exclusive interview with him, Nancy, Holland news-gathering organizations are now asking "A Current Affair" if they can have a copy of the tape. They want to see it there. They are hearings reports that we`ve said, and I think you`ve said on your show that Beth and her husband plan to go to Holland now and plaster the area with missing posters of Natalee.

I think journalists there, citizens there are more curious than ever about the new person they have in their midst her. Of course, Joran Van Der Sloot, moving with his family, to an area of Holland where Joran is enrolled as a college student.

When you talk about that interview, one of the most and interesting things about that interview, I think, Nancy, is the fact that he begins to paint Natalee Holloway as the aggressor in every way that he talks about her. She came up to him. She held him by the hand. She wanted to drink. She wanted to party.

And getting Beth`s response to that, I think, was really key.

GRACE: You know, I read in a tabloid last week, Beth, where some young girl had spent the evening or had a date with Joran Van Der Sloot and she was photographed. And whether the tab is true or not, I just thought about another young girl going out with Joran Van Der Sloot. It`s as if he`s starting all over in another country.

BETH TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALLE HOLLOWAY: Exactly, Nancy. And he will. And he will not stop until something is done about this.

GRACE: I have so many questions for you. But what is your immediate reaction to this interview of sorts that he gave while at school?

B. TWITTY: You know, just outrage. When I hear how he`s placing all the blame on either myself for tourism being low, if that`s the case, how everything is Natalee`s fault. It was her fault that she was drunk. It was her fault that she wanted to go with him. She initiated coming to his home. That is simply not true. None of that is true.

GRACE: Every time he speaks, his story is different.

B. TWITTY: You know, and one reporter said it beautifully. He said, when Joran tells one lie, more evolve. And that`s how this entire summer has been with Joran.
< BR>GRACE: With us here in the HEADLINE NEWS studios, Natalee`s mother, Beth, her stepfather, Jug.

We`ll all be right back.

GRACE: In all the weeks that we have helped search for Natalee Holloway, this beauty from Alabama set for a full scholarship at University of Alabama, it`s almost as if she became our girl, our sister, our next door neighbor, and the fact that the Aruban government has apparently dropped the investigation into her whereabouts is a very bitter pill to swallow.

Here in the studio with me, Natalee`s mother and her stepfather. They have not given up th e search even though the Aruban government has released all three of the major suspects.

I want to talk a moment about Natalee, before I get into the ins and outs of the investigation. At this moment, when you think of her, what is your most vivid memory of Natalee?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: It`s going to have to go to her dance. I mean, that was her life, Nancy. I mean, she just -- she loved it, she excelled at it, she worked so hard. I mean, every year she spent the entire year just preparing for one try out to be on that dance team for the upcoming year. And she just was so dedicated.

Yet Natalee had a fun side too, where she loved her friends. I mean, she loved being with her friends. That was her next most favorite, if you even had to say it was her next. I mean, it was ranked right up there with her dance and her friends.

GRACE: I know my parents felt like that with me doing cheerleading all by myself in the living room over and ove r and over to practice for the tryouts. You know, it just never ended. I am imaging the same thing with her.

What about it, most vivid memory if you`re thinking about her right now, what comes to your mind?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE`S STEPFATHER: I would say the same thing. Beth and I have been married now five years, but we dated about eight years, moving from Mississippi.

GRACE: Didn`t want to rush into anything, eight years.

J. TWITTY: And when we got married and they moved from Mississippi to Mountain Brook, I thought it was going to be a real culture shock, and I remember Natalee making that dance team, which is so hard. It`s hard for people to understand how hard it is to make this, especially for girls that have been trying to make this forever. And she came right in and made that dance team, and I`m sitting there, and I know my daughter has gone out for a couple of sports events and not made it, and I know how it breaks your heart, but I remember wh en she made it. That was quite an experience.

GRACE: When she was growing up there in the home with you, what was she like? What was her favorite thing to do? What was her favorite TV? Did she like breakfast more than dinner? What was Natalee all about?

B. TWITTY: You know, Nancy, Natalee was so independent and Natalee was so in charge of who she wanted to be and what she wanted to be, that, you know, to pin down the specifics as far as that goes, that`s just really not Natalee.

I mean, she was fun. But she was so independent and just fully in charge of her life and what she was going to do.

GRACE: When you first got to Aruba, you had received a phone call first here in the states, correct? What happened?

B. TWITTY: I received a phone call that Natalee had not shown up for the group in time to -- they were departing for the airport.

GRACE: And you --

B. TWITTY: Oh, I knew immediately. I mean, Natalee would never be late for anything , never. She would never not be on time or --

GRACE: Where were you when you got that call?

B. TWITTY: I was returning from a trip --

GRACE: You were in the car, right?

B. TWITTY: Yes, I was in the car.

GRACE: What did you do?

B. TWITTY: I immediately dialed 911. I don`t even know what that was going to accomplish, but I knew that --

GRACE: What did you say to local 911?

B. TWITTY: I can`t remember. I know it was something like, my daughter has been kidnapped in Aruba. Or -- there was something so serious that I knew this was more than just a young girl not showing up for her departure, to leave the trip.

GRACE: You knew immediately.

B. TWITTY: I knew immediately, immediately with Natalee. Something was wrong, very wrong.

GRACE: And when did you leave to go?

B. TWITTY: We left that same day. We let probably by 6:00 or 7:00 p.m., that evening, or maybe even a little bit sooner.

GRACE: So you got that phone call at one time?

B. TWITTY: I got the phone call at 12:00 p.m.

GRACE: And by 6:00 you`re on a plane to Aruba?

B. TWITTY: Oh, yes, absolutely.

GRACE: Who went with you?

B. TWITTY: Jug and several other friends that flew down.

GRACE: So you all went down. Now, the first -- I can`t imagine touching down on non-U.S. soil and trying to find someone. What was the first thing you did?

B. TWITTY: Luckily we were met at the airport by three Aruban citizens who were very helpful for us that night, and we went to the Holiday Inn.

GRACE: Where she had been. And what happened?

B. TWITTY: Well, we were met by the DEA Eric Williams (ph) and Paul Lilly (ph).

GRACE: DEA?

B. TWITTY: Yes, there was a DEA on island, Eric Williams (ph) -- that`s another story, Nancy. But, anyway, they met us there at the Holiday Inn lobby because Paul Lilly (ph) had had such a horrific time on that Monday, the 30th, just tryi ng to get help. He had been speaking with the beach patrol, visibility team, no one seemed to know -- talk about the right hand and left hand -- no one knew how to guide him or help him begin.

GRACE: Who is Eric Lilly (ph)?

B. TWITTY: Paul Lilly (ph). He`s the chaperone for the --

GRACE: All right. So he`s frantically trying to find Natalee and get help and nobody can even say this is the first thing to do.

B. TWITTY: Yes, yes. He was working -- he was trying so desperately to find someone to help him.

GRACE: So what time did you get to the Holiday Inn?

B. TWITTY: Probably about 11:00 p.m. on the 30th.

GRACE: And what happened when you got there?

B. TWITTY: You know, we acted with such a sense of urgency. The first thing that I wanted to do with Eric Williams (ph), the DEA, was establish Natalee`s character, so they would see that this is not a missing girl, this is not someone who has just decided not to show up or is having an extended stay on her senior trip.

And, you know, I felt the best thing I could do was establish Natalee`s character, so that they could see a sense of urgency had to be --

GRACE: When was it you talked to the player in this case? I thought it was that night.

B. TWITTY: It was that night, but it took us a while to find them. We had to -- there are several things that went on, Nancy.

We reviewed video footage from the Excelsior Casino, where Joran had been playing with Jug`s nephew, Thomas Twitty (ph), at a Texas Hold `Em table, so we could lay eyes on him and see him.

GRACE: That was before Natalee went missing, that night, that`s when the video came from.

B. TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: OK. So you saw what he looked like, and then what happened?

B. TWITTY: From there, Jug might have a better .

GRACE: What happened next?

J. TWITTY: We were watching the video and during that period of time, we split up into two or thr ee different groups and some of the chaperones in the other group that was with us, some of my friends, had gone around to different hotels looking for Joran. We didn`t know his name. We knew he liked playing card games.

GRACE: You knew what he looked like.

J. TWITTY: We didn`t know what he looked like.

GRACE: I thought you saw him in the video.

J. TWITTY: They didn`t know what he looked like. We knew what he looked like because we were sitting there -- you can see how small a video screen is.

But anyway, they`re asking questions and also when we went to Carlos and Charlie`s, we asked questions in there, when we first got here, and one of the guys that was with us obviously asked somebody where we could find him, and they drove to the beach and they went down there and started asking some kids about him, and he ended up paying one of the kids $100 to tell him where Joran lived.

All of this time, Beth and I are up looking at videotape in t he Holiday Inn. So at about 3:00 in the morning, everybody came back to the Holiday Inn --

GRACE: Let me get this straight. This is 3:00 a.m. and Natalee was last seen about 25, 26 hours before that?

J. TWITTY: Exactly.

And so one of the guys that helped us, with Universal Air, came running in and saying we`ve found him, we found the house, we found the car and everything, and Beth and I were just coming down. So we go and get two uniformed officers. We stopped at the police station.

We go in and sit there and wait about 15 minutes out in the parking lot. Finally the police officers come out. We go to his house, which is maybe a mile away from the police station. The police pull up to his house, turn the lights on, you know, shine the spotlight, and about 15 minutes later here comes a gentleman walking out to the fence.

Beth goes, "There he is." I said, "Beth, that`s not him, that`s a 45- year-old man."

GRACE: When we get back, we`re goin g to pick up right where we left off, where Jug and Beth meet for the first time Joran Van Der Sloot and his father, the judge, in Aruba.

Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT: I would have just stayed home that night. I wouldn`t have even gone out. It was Natalee who asked me to go out with her. It was her that asked me to come to the club. It was her that was yelling at me to go dance with her, and I said -- and I went to go drink something with my friends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you that irresistible? I mean, is that what - -

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I don`t know. That`s not -- that`s absolutely not what it is about. I don`t know. When her parents showed up at my door with her picture, I didn`t even know who Natalee Holloway was. I didn`t even know her name.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well, it`s all Natalee`s fault, I guess, that she went missing off the island of Aruba after last being se en with him, Joran Van Der Sloot, the judge`s son, the chief suspect, changes his story every time he speaks, and yet Aruban authorities have released him.

Here in the studio with me, Natalee`s mother and her stepfather.

Let`s go straight back to where you first saw Joran Van Der Sloot, the first time. He was just describing the night you showed up at his house, as if that is the crime.

J. TWITTY: We showed up at his house, as I said, at about 3:00 in the morning. His father walks out, OK, and then his father gets on his cell phone after the police talk to him for about maybe 10 minutes. Next thing I know, the police are walking back and they`re saying, "We`re going to the Wyndham Hotel. He says Joran is at the Wyndham, gambling."

This is about 3:30 in the morning, so we`re going OK, great. So we all get in cars, a big entourage, go to the Wyndham. We all go in -- she is frantic. She runs in there and he`s not there.

And then we`re searching the beach and all this kind of stuff, and we come back, his father is on the cell phone again, with the two policemen standing next to him -- he rode in the car with the policemen over there -- and he goes, well -- he calls his son. His son says, "Well, I`m back at home."

He said, "I thought you said you were at Wyndham?"

He said, "Well, you said the police were here, so I`m back at home."

GRACE: So you go back --

J. TWITTY: We go back there. It takes about eight minutes or so. We get there, pull up there --

GRACE: When you get there, what happened?

J. TWITTY: Deepak and Joran are standing there.

GRACE: So they were together the next night as well?

J. TWITTY: Oh, yeah. And they talk four different languages down there. So first of all, there is one gentleman who, if somebody would go back and get Charles Cruse (ph), who was with us that night and who spoke to them away from us for about 10 minutes with the uniformed officers, b efore he came over and translated what Joran said to us -- and Joran speaks all the languages too. But Charles Cruse (ph), in my mind, holds a lot of keys to what happened that night, or what Joran said.

GRACE: What was the first thing Van Der Sloot said to you?

J. TWITTY: First he looked at the picture and I said, "Don`t say you don`t know her, because we have eye witnesses who saw you get in this car with her," and he goes, "Yeah, yeah, I know who she is."

And he walks over to us and starts talking, and he says things that -- you know, he danced with her at the Holiday Inn or whatever -- I mean at the Carlos and Charlie`s. But after we talked a little bit, we asked him where she is, he says, "I don`t know, I dropped her off." Then he says, "Is anybody here with the family?"

And I said, "Yes, I`m her stepfather."

He said, "Do you mind stepping away for a minute?"

So I stepped away, went back to the van, Beth was still in the van this who le time, watching, because we had --

GRACE: Who asked you to step away?

J. TWITTY: Joran did. So he could tell my friends and he could tell the uniformed officers and all the people there what he did with Natalee that night, as far as taking her and his sexual stuff with her. In the car.

GRACE: So you know for a fact that that night he admitted to having sex with Natalee?

J. TWITTY: Yes, and we`ve got --

GRACE: Because we`ve got so many different stories.

J. TWITTY: I`ll tell you, Nancy, the thing that really upset me, and I found this out when Beth read some statements down there, is that the two uniformed officers that were there, that were standing as close as we are here, listening to him say this, they gave their statements, and they were very graphic in detail of everything that happened that night, except for one thing. Guess what they left out? The part about him saying what he did sexually to her in that car.

And I went ball istic, because I wasn`t there, and I told Beth, I said this thing is a set up. I`m telling you right now. Why would they leave that out of there?

GRACE: The most significant portion of what he admitted to.

J. TWITTY: Right, right, so --

GRACE: You know what is interesting to me -- that night -- so you finally go home with no resolution.

J. TWITTY: That`s right.

GRACE: But you know Van Der Sloot was with her that night, had sex with her that night, according to him. Is that the night he came up with the idea to blame the two black security guards?

J. TWITTY: That came like a day later, or whatever.

One of the problems I had was, the next morning -- we stayed up all night. Beth stayed up all night. And the police officer in charge came and got us the next morning and took us to his office. And it was so frustrating, because Beth is frantic. She knows something is wrong. She says, here, let me tell you my statement -- he says, wait, I haven`t had my Frosted Flakes and I haven`t shaved yet.

GRACE: Who said this?

J. TWITTY: The chief of police or whatever --

GRACE: "I haven`t had my Frosted Flakes?" Did I just hear that?

J. TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: Hold on, hold on, let me just check this earpiece for a minute.

The mother of a missing girl says, "I need to speak to you right now," and the chief of police says, "I`ve got to have my Frosted Flakes."

J. TWITTY: That`s just one small thing that he said that was very disturbing to me because, you know, I sat back there with Beth when he was talking to her, and some of the things were so sickening to me that he was talking about, and I`ll just say it, because I had to explain -- he was talking about putas and things, and I had to explain to her what that meant.

GRACE: You mean he said the word bitch? The chief of police did? Is that who we`re still talking about?

J. TWITTY: They were just using language like th is when we were sitting in there and she was trying to give her statements and stuff, and joking about it and everything. The whole thing was like it was a joke, like she`s going to show up. She`s drunk, she`ll come in -- you know, don`t worry about it.

GRACE: Is that the way you remember it, Beth?

B. TWITTY: Oh, yeah, Nancy.

GRACE: Did you understand, I know they were speaking a different language partially at that time -- did you understand what they were saying?

B. TWITTY: I understood everything they were saying, Nancy.

GRACE: Who exactly is the bitch in this scenario?

J. TWITTY: He was using language like that, you know, just graphic language like that, jokingly, and, you know, like what goes on in Aruba, this happens and this happens, and, you know, just some of the words he was using, to me, it was sickening to me to have to sit here.

GRACE: When your girl is missing.

J. TWITTY: Right.

GRACE: You`re at their m ercy.

J. TWITTY: We were at their mercy, and I am sitting there saying, these guys are on our side. I have to sit here and listen to this to try to get an answer.

GRACE: With me right now, the managing director of "El Diario" magazine, a newspaper there in Aruba, Jossy Mansur.

Jossy, thank you for being with us, friend. I am glad to see that you are well.

My question is, tell me the truth, is the investigation still ongoing in Aruba? Or is it all over now that the three suspects have been released?

JOSSY MANSUR, "EL DIARIO": No, it`s still ongoing. The police are doing their work. They`re intensely continuing with their investigation.

GRACE: Like what?

MANSUR: I mean, they`re putting the whole thing together. Remember that they went back form Murder One to Sexual Assault. They had to review about 1,000 and something pages.

GRACE: A thousand pages, that should take maybe two days.

MANSUR: Maybe, but they are still in tensely following the case, and so is the prosecution. They`re fine-tuning whatever case they`re going to bring up against these three suspects. The case is going on.

GRACE: Are they continuing the dive efforts?

MANSUR: They are continuing to do every single effort that they can. The police of Aruba and the prosecution.

GRACE: Are they diving? Are they diving?

MANSUR: Yes, they are diving, because they have been searching to the north in an undersea cave, to the north of the lighthouse. They`ve been searching, as I speak now, they`ve been searching.

GRACE: Beth, when you hear that they are still searching, do you believe it?

B. TWITTY: I just hope that they are searching in the proper areas. I mean, I don`t -- I think what we would like to know is, you know, what is warranting their searches in those areas. What information was coming.

GRACE: Do you believe that the statement that you gave was changed?

B. TWITTY: Absolutely it was.

GRACE: What was taken out or put in?

B. TWITTY: A lot of key elements. And, you know, just what Jug was describing a while ago. When I had the two uniformed officers` statements translated for me in English, they left off the key elements of the sexual assaults that Joran committed against Natalee.

GRACE: Here in the studio with me, Natalee`s mother and stepfather, with very disturbing revelations about the so-called investigation into their daughter`s disappearance.

Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: 18-year-old Natalee Holloway went away for her high school senior trip in Aruba, never seen again. The disappearance unsolved. Is that the way the Aruban authorities want to keep it?

Here in the studio with me, Natalee`s mother, Beth, and her stepfather, Jug.

You know what is amazing to me, Beth, is that the morning after your conversation with Joran Van Der Sloot, instead of him and his father, the judge, coming to help you look for Natalee the next day, they had a big powwow at the judge`s house, outside the pool, with them, their lawyers, the Kalpoe family, correct? Why weren`t they out helping you? Why were they already lawyering up?

B. TWITTY: You know, not only that, Nancy. Deepak gives a detailed statement on Paulus Van Der Sloot`s role in this, how Paulus hired the lawyers, arranged for the lawyers, called them over to his home, instructed the boys not to use their cell phone, they could be bugged. Also told them how to get their stories straight and then use their email, then begin emailing the story and use your hard drive to nail an alibi.

What was the need for all of that?

GRACE: The judge told them --

B. TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: Was Paulus, the judge, Van Der Sloots` home ever searched? I understand that Joran Van Der Sloot`s apartment, where he says he had consensual sex with Natalee, is attached to the home?

B. TWITTY: I want to make it perf ectly clear: the Van Der Sloot primary residence was never searched. Forensics were not conducted at the primary residence of the Van Der Sloots.

GRACE: What do you think at this juncture is your alternative?

B. TWITTY: You know, Nancy, we don`t know what our alternative is. I mean, we have worked so hard. The whole family, every one that has watched this with us and remained supportive with us. Everyone has worked so hard, and now look at what`s happened.

GRACE: Do you ever even have time to miss her? Or are you still so intent on finding her?

B. TWITTY: I miss her every day, but, you know, not to have to deal with anything yet, because there are still so many answers that are right there glaring at us, and nobody can get them. It`s just outrageous.

GRACE: Thank you to all of my guests, but all of us have the biggest thank you to you for being with us, letting us into your home and keeping Natalee`s case alive.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

The chairs are gone this morning. Hurricane force winds are still blowing across those palm trees shown in the last picture.

I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on

11-09-2005 Scarborough Country
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

SCARBOROUGH: Well, Beth, we have been talking about this for some time. People have been talking about a boycott. You have been extraordinarily patient. For almost half-a-year now, you have told everybody, back off. Let‘s work with the authorities. Let‘s work through the process. But what was the triggering event? When did you finally say, enough is enough?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, Joe, you are exactly right.

I think that guys like you, you have known it early on, that we would probably be coming to this position. We just—we were just hoping that we never would everyone to this position, but I think the last straw was when we get a letter from the Department of Foreign Affairs, that, after almost six months of us seeking help, written requests, verbal requests, from the governor, the minister of justice, the minister of tourism, the chief of police, the prosecuting attorney, that we had been seeking—looking for the wrong help.

It‘s the Hague all along that was controlling this investigation. Why were they dishonest, and why weren‘t they forthcoming in the beginning and direct us to the proper authority? Why did they let us do that for almost six months, Joe?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

SCARBOROUGH: Beth, did you ever have any indication whatsoever that all the people you were lobbying, all the people you were talking to, that you were begging for help from, that these people were powerless figureheads who were wasting your time while your daughter was missing?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely not, Joe. Absolutely not.

I cannot tell you how—we spent so much energy and resources and time into those legislative and judicial and administrative branches of government for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

SCARBOROUGH: And, again, just like that first week. This—you know, the first week was just a microcosm of the past six months.

We thought the first week was bad, when they went out; they let the three boys loose; they arrested two guys simply because they were black, tried to pin it on them and, again, allowed the investigation to go cold, turned in a cold case. And now here we are six months later, and we find out, that was just only the beginning.

I mean, they were playing with you and—and your family the entire time. So, do you think Americans are going to join the call? What do you want Americans to do tonight?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, Joe, our concern is that, until their lack of law enforcement can be evaluated on that island and we have resolution in Natalee‘s case, it‘s not safe for tourists on their island, you know, let alone their citizens of Aruba. That concerns me for them, also.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

SCARBOROUGH: You are a professional FBI guy. This is—this really is for me even harder to swallow than what happened the first week. You were down there.

VAN ZANDT: Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: Again, a guy who has committed your life to law enforcement—did you ever have any indication that all of the authorities down there were helpless and this was all being run from the Hague?

VAN ZANDT: No.

This was a frustrating case. Number one, of course, I have had the opportunity to sit and talk with Beth, and I know what resolution she seeks. And I‘m just—the strength that she has shown, and tenacity, you know, I would hope as a parent we could all show that same level of strength if it was our child. What choice do we have to begin with?

But the challenge is, why hasn‘t this been worked right? You are right, Joe, from day one, from day five, from day 10. It‘s like trying to chase the proverbial football with butter on it. Nobody seems to be able to hold onto a pass down there, and I am not even sure anybody has thrown a pass. They haven‘t connected whatsoever. The challenge is, how do you pick up this case, and where do you go from here?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

SCARBOROUGH: But how do you get answers? We don‘t even know who is in charge. At the end of the day, again, all of these Aruban authorities have been putting themselves out to Beth and the family and friends that they were the ones that were running this investigation. They said they had confidence in the investigation.

And now again, here we are. Almost six months later, we find out they have got no power at all.

VAN ZANDT: And the challenge is, this is not that tough of a case, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH: It‘s not.

VAN ZANDT: It‘s not that tough of a case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

SCARBOROUGH: We know who did it. That‘s what bothers me, Clint.

And you know what? A lot of people will say, well, why is Beth still fighting? She knows who raped her daughter. She knows, if she is dead, who killed her daughter. And all they are doing is trying to stop her from finding the truth.

VAN ZANDT: You know, investigation 101 says you go to the last people who were miss—with the missing victim. You get them to account for their time. You get them to account for their contact with her.

And, if they tell their stories, or if they tell multiple stories, then you don‘t range out looking all over the world. You stay right there with those three guys. Joe, I really, really believe that any good investigators worth their salt could have had these three guys, these three suspects, early on in the case, the first week, if they would have grabbed them early on, if they would have done the right searches, if they would have done good, penetrating interviews.

You know what the Arubans do, Joe? When they do an interview, they go, OK, Joe, tell me your story. OK. Thank you very much. Have a good day.

Well, no, where is the follow-up questions? Where is, what do you mean by that?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

SCARBOROUGH: They wanted to cover this up. They don‘t want Americans, 500,000 Americans who go down to Aruba—we make up 70 percent of their economy—they don‘t want them to know the truth about their—I was going to say a bad word on TV—I better not—my mom watches—about their lousy island, do they?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Joe, there‘s been such an unwillingness, from the very beginning, for the prosecuting attorney, Caren Janssen, and van der Straaten, who is the chief of police, to conduct a proper investigation.

Yes, it‘s a cover-up. Look at how the events unfolded from day one. They wouldn‘t even rearrest—they wouldn‘t even arrest the suspects until 10 days later, after the families became outraged after the two innocent security guards were arrested. Everyone has witnessed and experienced this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

SCARBOROUGH: If we make up 70 percent of their economy, a boycott of Aruba could cripple the island. It could crush their economy, and I think that‘s exactly what needs to be done. And I am glad Governor Bob Riley thinks that is what needs to be done, too.

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, I don‘t really know the next step from here. And I think that I will rely on Governor Riley, and we will just keep in communication and see what the next move is.

And I have heard him also was reaching out to the other governors in the states, and I know that there‘s also a governors meeting I believe, that comes up in the spring—and, you know, just going to have to take it one day at a time, Joe. That‘s how we have done the entire investigation. We have not really been able to plan too far ahead. We just experience it and go from there.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

SCARBOROUGH: Really appreciate it.

We are going to be following this story.

I think, ironically, the biggest part of the story may still be ahead, when we start leaning on Aruba and start getting answers.

VAN ZANDT: You know, and the only challenge here, Joe, is that not to punish the Aruban people for the inadequacies of their government. That‘s the only thing that bothers me. I support the boycott, but how do we support the people, too?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992424/

And this from a 6-10-2005 Fox News Report

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159128,00.html

'Nobody Stands Above the Law'
Friday, June 10, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Finding 18-year-old Natalee Holloway (search) is "priority No. 1" for Aruba and no one will be above the law in the investigation and prosecution of those responsible for the American's disappearance, the Dutch Caribbean island's prime minister told FOX News on Friday.

Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber (search) called a meeting Friday morning with Aruba's chief of police and other officials to determine if more assistance is needed in the search, which has so far turned up no evidence of Holloway's whereabouts.

"It is our responsibility, legal and moral, for the good of our relationship" to investigate and prosecute the case to the fullest, Oduber told FOX News on Friday, noting that Aruba has relied on tourist business for 50 years. "We work together, we care for people ... Nobody stands above the law."

Holloway's disappearance had left Arubans "in a state of shock and disbelief," he said

To read the rest

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159128,00.html

For the latest from Deetch

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

Ping to # 2,148.

Development tourism calls for action

ARUBA – Andy Lee, commissioner for opposition party AVP and member of the permanent Parliamentary Committee for Tourism is of the opinion that the developments in the tourism are alarming and that it is time to reverse this negative development.

Lee indicated that the tourism in Aruba is the best indicator for economic growth, since the economy relies on the tourist sector. The number of visitors to Aruba had dropped since August of 2005, compared to the year before. In February and March of this year, the number of stay over tourists dropped with respectively 11.1 and 18.2 percent, compared with same months last year. Also the room occupancy in the hotels continues to drop and also the spending done by tourists during their vacation. It seems like this tendency is continuing and the developments that the airport noted, confirm this.

“A consistent decrease in the export of tourism will lead to a decline of our economic situation in 2006. So, it’s time to take actions. Our challenge is now to proof that we can reverse this trend. The problems with the tourism are attributed to the economic- and tourist policy pursued in the past years. The economic return has to be realized by the growth of the number of tourists that spend less, or by fewer tourists that will spend more. The economic- and tourist policy has to aim for this development and this way realize more revenue from the tourism”, said Lee.

Lee is of the opinion that the current trend is a clear signal to the minister of Tourism, to buckle down and work on the promotion of Aruba. He says that MEP must accept the responsibility and must support the necessary changes in the 2006 budget. This is the only way the economic interests of Aruba can be protected and guaranteed.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Thank you deetch, excellent questions. Excerpts from deetch's blog:

Would the truth be more shocking if Natalee was proven to be dead or alive? Why does it seem as the witnesses have their lives to fear regarding the truth? I mean bolting from a country, your home, seems to reveal something urgent.

Could it be that the term "premeditated" which seems to be what Janssen is telling us with the charges means that Natalee was targeted to be kidnapped but not killed?

If the maximum Joran could get is 15 years and he is the main suspect, this case must be linked to more legal liability or something that would make witnesses fear for their lives.

Who are they afraid of? It's inconceivable that we are here now, this long after, without the participation, willingly of the Aruba Police.

Would Dompig make up out of thin air that Natalee was moved several times?

Natalee was murdered when the security guards were in jail, but now it's a disappearance?

It really wouldn't have been hard to explain Natalee's death. In fact, most people know what happened right?

But why can't they explain how she went from murdered to disappeared?

That was Paulus in the casino, and it is a body in the bag found on the day Natalee was declared dead.

Aruba cannot account for those still unanswered questions.

Where did the body go?

When girls can have their drinks spiked for $20 in a bar on Aruba, does anyone believe the police were not aware of it? Or are the police protecting predators and drug dealers? Also sad that it's a dumb question now.

What kind of sick animals can endorse, even by their lack of action, the drugging of another person for the purposes of being assaulted?

People who see a demand in victims and a supply of drugs just keeps flowing. This is the way they want it.

Benefitting drug dealers and predators. That's Aruba.

The Government of Holland is accountable for the actions of Van der sloot, Van der straaten, Janssen, Gottenbos...

In retrospect, the decision by the FBI to require Dompig to say who his witness is in return for belated and really, a small favor looks absolutely titanic next to Holland agreeing to Dompigs lie.

And Holland isn't involved in a coverup?

We need to move off the island and hold them accountable. Any U.S. politician that doesn't back it's own citizens should go back to their rathole with Frank Rizzo.

People who care about money, really care about it, don't shrug off even 2% decreases that effect revenue.

Unless the other down side is fatal.

What exactly could be fatal for Aruba? It's not that Joran van der sloot killed Natalee in a fit of rage at being resisted, that wouldn't be surprising.

The prospect that Natalee never left the Van der sloot residence and was disappeared under the watchful eye of the same people watching the drug trade flourish under their nose, the Aruba Dirty Police.

Who else was at the Van der sloot house that night?

I believe it would be beneficial to relook at some interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays interview is

10-21-05 Scarborough Country

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/

And I can tell you that, last night, I went to Birmingham. I talked to Beth Holloway Twitty, talked about some things that were tough for her, because her daughter should have been here tonight. Her daughter actually got a scholarship to the University of Alabama, but went down on a senior trip, as you know, went down to Aruba.

And her mother, I am telling you, it is an amazing story. Beth Holloway Twitty is not going to stop. She‘s not going to give up her fight. She is going to get justice for her daughter Natalee, if it is the last thing she does.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

SCARBOROUGH: And she told me last night in an amazing interview, you know, if I have got to fight for the next 50 years of my life, I‘m going to do it.

I want to play you some of that interview that we had last night at the Holloway-Twittys‘ house.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SCARBOROUGH: Do you have any birthday memories, anything, like her 18th birthday? What saw she doing on her last birthday?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Probably her 16th birthday, because that‘s when you do the car.

SCARBOROUGH: Right.

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: And I think that one was probably the most special.

And it probably is to all parents.

SCARBOROUGH: What do you remember about the 16th birthday?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I don‘t think I can do it.

SCARBOROUGH: Any parent with children knows that they spend all this

time getting their children ready to go off to school

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: And that was robbed from you, apparently by three young men, who are now on the loose. How do you deal with that?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Joe, I think back to the judge. I think back to Judge Rick Smit. And I think that he chose the suspects‘ rights over the victim‘s rights in this case.

And it is hard for me. And I‘m sure it is hard for everyone that has stayed with us in this investigation. And, you know, we see it so clearly, what they have done. And you know, I just—I just can‘t imagine why he would feel—why this judge would feel the need that for Joran to continue, to begin his study in college. He felt like it—he needed to get—he needed to move on with his life and he needed to begin and not miss his college days.

I just can‘t imagine a judge placing a suspect‘s rights over a victim, just so he can begin college.

SCARBOROUGH: You have got these three—again, these three prime suspects. And you have got one of them that has actually said some very unkind things about your deceased daughter.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPHER: I‘m sure she had sex with all of you

DEEPAK KALPOE, SUSPECT: She did. To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one. Would go in a car with three strange guys and her mother claiming her to be the Goody Two-shoes. Enough of the B.S. already.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH: Do you believe that him admitting that all three of them sexually took advantage of Natalee that night, do you think that is going to end up getting him back in jail?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: It has to. It has to.

SCARBOROUGH: And if it doesn‘t, what are you going to do?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I think that Aruba knows the choice, that if it doesn‘t.

They now have the tape. As we speak today, the taped evidence from Deepak Kalpoe is in their possession today. So, they need to go ahead, analyze it. Whoever needs to do it, whether it‘s someone in the Hague, find out its credibility. And they need to utilize it and they need to issue new—they need to—it should—it should warrant the re-incarceration of all three of them.

SCARBOROUGH: I understand that Natalee‘s dad is down in Aruba right now. What is he doing?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: He is. And they are really concentrating searches, of course, in the water. And I think that they are focusing.

You know, they have a radius that they are focusing in. And, you know, as far as that, it seems like everything keeps coming back to the water and dives in the water.

SCARBOROUGH: Let‘s go back to the night of crime. And we have heard about this boat, that there was a guy that got arrested and then released.

What was the deal? What was the connection between Joran and this boat and the possibility that they may have taken Natalee‘s body offshore and dumped her? And where is that right now?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, it is so complicated.

There‘s actually two individuals who have been mentioned. Either—one, of course, was arrested, Steve Croes, who is—was the deejay on the Tattoo boat.

And he was arrested because he was a lying witness. And you can be a lying suspect in Dutch law, but you can‘t be a lying witness. That‘s—I just learned that this summer. So, what happened was, Steve Croes came forward. And Joran even mentions him in his first statement, that Steve Croes is the witness to seeing him drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and the two security guards coming up to take her.

So, Steve Croes comes up. That‘s where he sticks his neck out for some reason. He volunteers this information that, oh, he witnessed this happening at the Holiday Inn. Well, that never even happened. So, that‘s why Steve Croes was arrested. But I‘m sure there is another motive behind Steve Croes. I‘m sure that it was that he has involvement.

SCARBOROUGH: So, you are going to go back down there beginning of November. Are you going to give them one more chance?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: November the 1st, I am returning.

And, you know, they have already had some requests made of them. I made it perfectly clear what the family expects right now. So, there are several things—there are several things that still need to be met. The FBI—I want the FBI to have ever audio, video tape, every statement. I want them to have the box of raw data. I want them to have those leads that were coming early. And I want to know how each lead was handled.

And I want to know how they followed up on them. And, secondly, I want the Dutch interrogators involved. There were four of these men from Holland. They were extremely—they were dedicated to Natalee‘s case. I want them involved. I want them involved in the interrogations. I felt that they were as shocked as I was on September the 1st, when the judge released them. I do.

I mean, they had invested hugely in Natalee‘s case. And I had met with them several times. And I just really had a good feel, a gut feeling that they were determined to find the answer. I mean, I think they wanted to solve this. I do. And, you know, but they need their suspects, they need them to be there to interrogate them. I mean, if they free them all, it is hard for them to continue their mission.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/

*Mark*

Will Joran's book include mulitple choice lies on each page?

This is the only way the economic interests of Aruba can be protected and guaranteed.
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Wrong again, Aruba.
Ain't nothing going to change your image until you change your evil ways.

Welcome back, Malichi!
Good to see you are feeling feisty.

"It is our responsibility, legal and moral, for the good of our relationship" to investigate and prosecute the case to the fullest, Oduber told FOX News on Friday, noting that Aruba has relied on tourist business for 50 years. "We work together, we care for people ... Nobody stands above the law."
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Oduber got the words right, but no action to match those words. Aruba, land of liars.

I believe it would be beneficial to relook at some interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays interview is

7-01-05 Nancy Grace
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/01/ng.01.html

GRACE: It is day 33 in the disappearance of an 18-year-old Alabama girl in the tiny island of Aruba, Natalee Holloway. Her family is all there, all vowing not to leave without their girl. Tonight, in Aruba, Natalee`s stepfather, Jug Twitty, is with us. Defense attorney in Aruba, Arlene Ellis-Schipper.

But first, let`s go down to CNN correspondent Chris Lawrence. Chris, a little confusion today, apparently. There was some type of an announcement that the three suspects had been formally charged. What was that all about?

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Nancy, it`s all just a matter of semantics. It`s playing on words. Nothing has changed today that wasn`t the case yesterday or the day before or any day in the past three weeks when it comes to these three suspects. When they were arrested, they were arrested under suspicion of three crimes: murder one, murder two,and kidnapping. That has always remained the same. But in Dutch law, as it`s practiced here in Aruba, they really don`t have a such thing as charges, formal charges. And that`s where the problem came in. But it`s just a matter of semantics, saying that they are arrested under suspicion of...

GRACE: OK.

LAWRENCE: ... is sort of the equivalent of what we know as charges.

GRACE: To Aruban defense attorney Arlene Ellis-Schipper. Arlene, welcome. Are plea bargains possible in Aruba, like they are here in the U.S.?

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No. Absolutely not. It`s not a system that is used here.

GRACE: Well, Arlene, let me ask you this. So you couldn`t get a plea deal out of the Kalpoe brothers in exchange for, for instance, hypothetically, testimony against Joran Van Der Sloot, the judge`s son?

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: No. Absolutely not. It is not allowed. It`s actually forbidden.

GRACE: So one co-defendant cannot testify against the other.

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: No, no. You can testify against one another, but it`s not do ne -- it`s not rewarded. A plea bargain implies that you`re rewarded.

GRACE: I see. So the Kalpoe brothers, charges would actually have to be dropped in exchange for...

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: No, no, no. No, not at all. You asked me whether a plea bargain is possible. I say no. It`s actually forbidden. What I tried to explain is that they just have to testify, if they want to, against, for instance, the co-suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot. And it is never -- it is prohibited to reward such testimony.

GRACE: So let me get this straight. The Kalpoe brothers could testify with absolutely no incentive whatsoever.

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: The only incentive that is given is that it shows cooperation, and cooperation is one of the aspects that the judge weighs into when he sets his punishment.

GRACE: Oh, OK. It`s all...

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: But again, in such serious cases it`s very minor.

GRACE: OK. It`s all very clear to me now.

Michelle Suskauer, that`s not that different from in the U.S. because you get a co-defendant to testify against the other, of course, they`re going to get a lesser sentence.

SUSKAUER: They`re going -- or charges can get dropped. They can flip on their co-defendant in exchange for that cooperation, and they can get rewarded, or not, or not in sentence.

GRACE: I`m going to go to Natalee`s stepfather. George "Jug" Twitty is with us tonight in Aruba. What happened in the search today, Jug?

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER: To be honest with you, Nancy, I know they searched a couple of places, I`m not exactly sure if they found anything. I spend most of the time talking to attorneys and doing things on the other side. I`m not exactly sure.

GRACE: Jug, what do you think about them handcuffing together Joran Van Der Sloot with one of the Kalpoe brothers for a nice ride in a car? Think they talked about the case?

TWITTY: That was unbelievable. Beth and I saw that . You know, we don`t watch that much TV. We haven`t turned it on. I mean, why do they -- why do they handcuff them together like that? I don`t -- I -- you know, that -- I don`t know why they did that.

GRACE: Well, you know, after we brought it up on the show -- I saw it happen. I nearly did a back flip. Never, never, never put defendants alone together unless you want them to cook up a story, for Pete`s sake. And then they said that -- the Aruban government said, Oh, well, we were actually eavesdropping on them, surveilling them to see if they`d say anything.

Jug, are you happy with the investigation so far? The Aruban government is saying they do not bungle cases.

TWITTY: No, I`m not happy with it. You know, I`m absolutely not happy with it.

GRACE: Well, I`ll be blunt with you. I`m not happy with it, either.

TWITTY: Well I know you`re not. And thank God you`re not, Nancy, because I know that you`re on our side. And thank you for, you know, everyt hing you`ve done for me and for Beth. And it`s just -- it`s mind- boggling. And I know that the reason everybody asks why is everybody so interested in this case -- well, I mean, the United States, the world, everybody has the same clues we have, and they`re just, like, What in the world is going on? And it`s -- I don`t know. It`s really, really tough.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/01/ng.01.html

mark

Oh, and, WELCOME BACK!, MALACHI!!!!

Oops...I meant to type Malichi!!