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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
Barry's Kenyan B.C.??
Special Motion for leave
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
A registry book number (i.e. 44B) might exist in multiple, or every, British colonial registry. Each of those could have identical page numbers.
What would set them apart is the location of the registry office, and the contents of that particular page at the different offices.
"44B" obviously refers to a registry or "Birth" documents. It is highly likely that births were occurring and being registered at a variety of British colonies (possibly at every single colony).
Note that the embossed seals are quite different.
You sound like some sort of activist TROLL, trying to ‘divine’ the Constitution from your personal interpretation of external writings, rather than from reading the WORDS OF THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF.
Susan Blake mentioned something about the baby being pink. Black or bi-racial children are lighter at birth than later.
It’s entirely possible — even probable — that the Dunhams sent Ann back to the Pacific NW to have that child out of wedlock and spare themselves the disgrace that would have attended such a birth in 1961. Barry may well have been born in a maternity home in British Columbia, and Susan Blake may have seen Ann and the baby soon after their discharge.
That would explain why there are no photos or eyewitness accounts of a pregnant Ann Dunham.
Then, upon receiving news of the birth and that Ann was determined to keep the baby, Madelyn filed an affidavit of home birth with Vital Records, which, in turn, listed the birth in the newspaper column with others recorded that week.
The marriage itself? Maybe, maybe not, maybe common-law, maybe a myth to avoid scandal.
And to think there still are some folks out there who believe there was NO conspiracy in the last election ...
And in the upper photo, where is the brown smudge? Nice try, the foundational paper onto which your fake of the exhibit was faded to make it match the original exhibit and this faded the brown stain also. But that is a nice try.
Another fine Constitutional opinion from the FreeAlaska32, who also said:
“you do not have to be a natural born citizen to qualify for POTUS.” at post #6503
I find even the lawyers that are lawyers play badly too, especially the lefty lawyers. ;-)
No more insulting than yours (pot,kettle?)
When you post your emotions, why is it insulting to be called on it? That the “Natural Born” clause is based on Vattel is well backed by Jay’s letters to Madison. Jay’s exact words made it into the constitution.
I’m taking flack over here for mentioning it. Don’t these pics prove the BC one is phoney?
How do you figure the Aussie one is phoney, too.
Your point is taken but, a foreign national can choose (or could as we no longer have a draft) to return to their country of origin, to escape the draft, with no fear of prosecution.
An American citizen cannot.
Those “external writings” are by the same people that gave us the constitution.
Yeah. We saw them earlier. Laughable.
Independent East Africa Colony?
That could be a reason to go to Mombasa.
Wow, harsh words from someone who hasn’t been here very long.
editor has been here going on 11 years, long enough to well prove he/she is no Troll.
You, on the other hand.....
Why not use those caps to issue an apology
OK. So now you have insulted all the other FReepers who are now pointing out the same information (eg: PA Engineer). Good going. Are you drunk? Help us out here to figure out if your as#holic attitude is natural or due to substance abuse.
IIRC the copy on the bedspread was not the copy from Orley’s file, her’s had torn edges and was much more worn. I do believe they have been creating fakes, then proving them false, while Orley’s copy is still being authenticated......I’ll wait for the official finding.
Jim please check to see who first posted the bedspread picture.
In the Aussie one, the printed ‘Deputy Registrar’ is over top of the supposed signature, not under it.
No, asshat, I’m purposely insulting YOU. It was you whom I responded to for your effort to smarm the site.
Those photos are laughable.
Who is Gregory Craig, (the Mango Tree Lawyer)?
Gregory Craig Is A Partner Of Washington, D.C.-Based Law Firm Williams & Connolly. (Williams & Connolly, LLC, www.wc.com, Accessed 5/14/08)
Gregory Craig Is Defending Pedro Miguel González, President Of Panama’s Legislature, Under U.S. Indictment For The 1992 Murder Of A U.S. Soldier. (Editorial, “Obama Aide Must Choose Work With Candidate Or Defend Wanted Man,” The Dallas Morning News, 1/14/08)
“Gonzalez Is Still Wanted In The U.S., And The State Department Has Criticized Gonzalez’s Election. U.S. Government Sources Who Asked Not To Be Identified Said Gonzalez’s Assembly Leadership Might Even Block The Pending U.S.-Panama Free Trade Agreement.” (Lucy Conger, “Panama Launches Expansion Of Canal,” Los Angeles Times, 9/4/07)
While Advising The Obama Campaign, Gregory Craig Represented Canadian Newspaper Mogul Lord Conrad Black Who Was Convicted Of Fraud And Obstruction Of Justice. (Peter Lattman, “The Former Newspaper Baron Makes Good Copy,” The Wall Street Journal’s “Law Blog” Blog, blogs.wsj.com, 1/12/07)
In 2005, Gregory Craig Represented U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan In The Oil-For-Food Scandal. (Benny Avni, “Kofi Annan, His Son, And A Mercedes,” The New York Sun, 11/21/05)
In 1999, Gregory Craig Represented Father Of Elian Gonzales, Juan Miguel, And Maintains A Cordial Friendship With Mr. Gonzales. (Carol Rosenberg, “Year After Raid, Most Lives Back To Normal,” The Miami Herald, 4/22/01)
Gregory Craig Consulted With African Nation São Tomé’s President Fradique De Menezes, Who Was Accused Of Taking A Bribe To Renegotiate A Contract With An Oil Developer. (Barry Meier and Jad Mouawad, “No Oil Yet, But Tiny African Isle Finds Dealings Just As Slippery,” The New York Times, 7/2/07)
In 2000, Gregory Craig Represented Panamanian President Ernesto Pérez Balladares, Who Was Accused Of Orchestrating A Scheme To Illegally Smuggle Immigrants Into The United States. (Glenn Garvin, “Panamanians Linked To Scheme Videotapes, Complaints Point To Chinese-Immigrant Smuggling,” The Miami Herald, 8/19/00)
In 2005, Gregory Craig Defended A Canadian Businessman Convicted Of Violating The U.S. Embargo Of Cuba. (”Canadian’s Trial In Cuba Embargo Case Nears End,” The [Peterborough, Ontario] Examiner, 7/29/05)
In 1982, Gregory Craig Defended John W. Hinckley Jr., Who Attempted To Assassinate President Reagan. (Al Kamen, “Examinations Find Hinckley Competent To Face Trial Jan. 4,” The Washington Post, 12/8/81)
Gregory Craig Represented A Rich, Well-Connected Family That Allegedly Financed A Coup Deposing Haiti’s First Democratically Elected Government, And Was Attempting To Reframe Peace Negotiations To Its Benefit. (Don Bohning and Christopher Marquis, “Attorney For Wealthy Haitians Criticized For Role In US Talks,” Journal Of Commerce, 3/4/93)
Facts About Craig and Barack
Gregory Craig Is A “Senior Foreign Policy Adviser” To Obama. (Editorial, “Dust-Ups On The Trail Dems’ Philanthropy, Staff Priorities Raise Eyebrows,” The Dallas Morning News, 4/9/08)
The Dallas Morning News Criticized Obama For Failing To Force Craig To Resign From The Campaign Or Sever Ties With His Law Firm, Potentially Creating Conflicts Of Interest. (Editorial, “Obama Aide Must Choose Work With Candidate Or Defend Wanted Man,” The Dallas Morning News, 1/14/08)
Donations and Bundling for Barack
Gregory Craig Has Pledged To Raise Over $200,000 For Obama’s Presidential Campaign. (Barack Obama For America Web site, answercenter.barackobama.com, Accessed 5/15/08)
Gregory Craig Has Contributed At Least $5,800 To Barack Obama. (CQ Money Line Web site, moneyline.cq.com, Accessed 8/5/08)
Of course. But the sequence of books in South Australia reached book 44B roughly around 1959-1964. How can the set of registry books in Kenya reach the same number at the same time? That beggars belief.
“No, asshat, Im purposely insulting YOU. It was you whom I responded to for your effort to smarm the site.”
When did I “smarm” the site, D=head?
The brown stain is actually in a higher position on the upper one! (besides being faded)
It needs to be the same type of document a person would have recieved in 1964 as a replacment, not at the time of his birth.
What is laughable about them? I’m not an image expert. They just appear to be what started this whole thread. Are they not?
Because a forgery can be reverse engineered to discredit a real document...
Allright. But what leads you to think they are “reverse engineered”? How could someone fake out the quilt for example? I’m seriously asking. Believe me, I’d love to have the Kenyan BC stand up.
The rabbit is inviting you down the rabbit’s diversion hole.
Keeping up with David...
Remember Wag the Dog?
There were people who swore up and down that the remembered hearing the “Old Shoe” song when they were kids...
If it were true, this bill would not be necessary. Unfortunately it is tied up in committee. Which means it is not being voted upon. And with the Demonrats in charge, it is unlikely to get out of committee.
I just received this email from a JD to undisclosed recipients.
if you make an appointment, you can look at it, the original document.
The result of this law would be that the Obama BC would be damaged, vandalized, defaced, altered, substituted, totally unusable for forensic purposes.
There should NOT be public access to original docs. Only forensic experts should handle these things. The DOH clerks cannot keep track of regular public access.
Btw, look at this for motivation:
His website states that it his personal goal to be the first United States Senator of Filipino heritage.
Betcha hes a Dem.
Yep, he is!
Hawaii Democratic State Senator Will Espero.
Did you see the Kenyan BC with tattered edges and a rip at the top of the page?
Sorry just joined up and may have missed it but I could not find it readily in this thread.
Well I do know some things that I haven't posted. We are operating in an environment in which the enemy has great power and has in fact exercised some fairly serious muscle against individuals who have been involved in this topic.
I think the ultimate question of fact is whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.
I initially resolve that issue fairly clearly myself because in late 2007 and early 2008, there were still lots of pieces of hard evidence. It was obvious that the Hawaii Birth Document didn't certify anything about the birth record but was simply glorified hearsay--and also fraudulent which made you wonder why they had to fraud it.
There were lots of secondary reports of statements by people with first hand knowledge that he was born in Kenya; Barack himself somewhere said his mother was in Kenya 72 hours before he was born--how did she get back and when. The Susan Blake video interview was particularly compelling to me because I have some direct personal first hand knowledge of the BOAC track between British East Africa and the West Coast of the US in that time period.
On balance, if you got to a judicial determination of fact based on the bare record at that time, even if you didn't have the conclusive record; an independent trier of fact, knowing what I knew then, would have come to the unshakable conclusion that Obama was born in Kenya. And around that time period, I did learn of an original record (which may or may not see the light of day).
I just don't see any room for doubt on the basic factual question--he was born in Kenya.
Now having said that, you need to keep in mind that many times, the legal argument doesn't always come out with a result that even reflects the facts.
The consequences to the modern US polity of this battle ought to be material. The government might fall.
So in that context, no one should have any real comfort in how the end game will play out. Any forecast at this point is likely to be incomplete at best.
How so? - even a cursory glance shows up several differences.
"How do you figure the Aussie one is phoney, too."
Go back through the thread. We found several points of inconsistancy, the most important being that the text floats over the creases in the paper. - Also Bomford is the guy's assumed alias as per court documents where he was convicted of fraud last week. His name is Bamford, and Bomford is one of his listed aliases.
That was an artifact from Freeper Salamander’s effort to make the exhibit document more legible. She has explained that ad infinitum, apparently to no avail.
That's a good one, but not what I had in mind. Somebody here posted an interview, or part of an interview with a woman with a foreign-sounding name (could have started with an M) who claimed to have been Barry's babysitter while Ann went to school. I think this was when Ann was back in Seattle for the 2nd time after he was born. I think she lived in a house that time -- or perhaps an apartment, or duplex. The lady said that she had a daughter a couple of years older than the baby and that he was 7 months old. The lady said that she knew that was accurate because her daughter was no 50 (at the time of the interview.)
Why doesn’t someone search all of the old hospital records for his mother and determine if in fact she was admitted on the days in question?
She is dead, so they can’t stop this type of research.
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You as usual have been a gentleman...
You have not insulted me...
Thank you for your continued good manners, good humor, and most welcome knowledge...
Your post is right on. The courts do make political decisions. They have been doing so since the founding of this country and before.
Check the stables too...
Only added to the thread....as were others.
Grade Obama!!! Today is the last day. Do it now.
If Barry was quietly naturalized by the CIA at Columbia, Sasha and Melia would be natural-born citizens. The girls may also be natural-born citizens if Barry was naturalized at birth due to being the son of Frank M Davis. We need access to Barry’s vital records and passport files among others to be sure.
As Malia’s self-appointed Presidential campaign manager, you should be joining us in calls for Barry to be transparent.
Do a search on the name ‘Maxine Box’ ... that is the interview to which you’re trying to allude.
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