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An epic battle on Homer's gender
The Australian ^ | July 03, 2006 | Dalya Alberge (The London Times)

Posted on 07/02/2006 7:46:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Historian and linguist Andrew Dalby is challenging the accepted gender of one of the most influential writers of all time -- the poet who created the Greek epics The Iliad and The Odyssey in the seventh century BC. Dr Dalby said: "There is no direct evidence of the poet's identity and therefore no justification for the customary assumption that the two epics were composed by a man." Women have a long tradition worldwide as makers of oral literature, he said, citing Sappho, the best-known female poet of ancient Greece, and Enheduanna, the woman mentioned on a Sumerian tablet who thus became the first named poet in the world. Dr Dalby, whose study Rediscovering Homer will be published in September, said: "It is possible, even probable, that this poet was a woman. As a working hypothesis, this helps to explain certain features in which these epics are better -- more subtle, more complex, more universal -- than most others." ...Anthony Snodgrass, emeritus professor of classical archaeology at Cambridge University, said The Odyssey could have been written by a woman because it is about "a world at peace in general terms, with domesticity, fidelity ... endurance and determination rather than aggression". But he added: "The idea of a woman writing The Iliad and not being bored out of her mind by the endless fighting and killings is a bit more far-fetched." The issue, he said, lay in whether the same person wrote both poems. "Most of us now believe the same person did."

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: erewhon; godsgravesglyphs; homer; iliad; odyssey; samuelbutler; trojanwar
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1 posted on 07/02/2006 7:46:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Homer is a gentle and misunderstood man who happens to drink Duff beer.


2 posted on 07/02/2006 7:48:31 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I looked in my rearview mirror.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
The very late Samuel Butler was of the opinion that the Odyssey was written by a woman. Since it is really just a romance novel from ancient times, I find that plausible. So did the late (and probably better known) Robert Graves. Butler's view was that a princess living on or near Sicily (in one of the "Greater Greece" colonies wrote the Odyssey and used various sites and sights familiar to her from her surroundings to cook up the various trials and tribulations of Odysseus.

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3 posted on 07/02/2006 7:50:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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the Odyssey was written by a woman:
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the authoress of the Odyssey:
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4 posted on 07/02/2006 7:54:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The Odyssey of Homer
translated by Samuel Butler
(Preface)
This translation is intended to supplement a work entitled "The Authoress of the Odyssey", which I published in 1897. I could not give the whole "Odyssey" in that book without making it unwieldy, I therefore epitomised my translation, which was already completed and which I now publish in full.

5 posted on 07/02/2006 7:55:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

The articles title should have been, "An epic battle on Homer's sex?"


6 posted on 07/02/2006 7:56:00 PM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: SunkenCiv
THE ILLIAD really is a man's book and yes, THE ODYSSEY is more of a romantic adventure book; however, many male authors, throughout recorded history, HAVE written such books. Robert Graves IS such a one. LOL
7 posted on 07/02/2006 7:56:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: SunkenCiv

Homer knew too much about ships and their workings to have been female. The only way to win this argument is not to argue.


8 posted on 07/02/2006 7:57:24 PM PDT by shamusotoole
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To: SunkenCiv
Well, we already know that Homer was supposed to be handicapped (blind) so why not just claim that he was black and lesbian and hit all the bases at once?
9 posted on 07/02/2006 7:57:59 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: nopardons

Ain't no woman romance writer going to conceive of the grand epic battle at the end of the Oddyssey....IMHO

But I love how the shooting contest turns into the slaughter of all the bad guys....


10 posted on 07/02/2006 8:00:25 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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"Homer is a gentle and misunderstood man who happens to drink Duff beer."
Heh...
11 posted on 07/02/2006 8:00:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
The very late Samuel Butler was of the opinion that the Odyssey was written by a woman. Since it is really just a romance novel from ancient times, I find that plausible. So did the late (and probably better known) Robert Graves. Butler's view was that a princess living on or near Sicily (in one of the "Greater Greece" colonies wrote the Odyssey and used various sites and sights familiar to her from her surroundings to cook up the various trials and tribulations of Odysseus.

Graves's wrote a novel, Homer's Daughter, that proposes that Nausicaa was the author of The Odyssey, basing it on events from her life.

When I reviewed it for a website, seven years ago, I give is a middling review. "This a well-crafted novel, but weak characterizations and lack of any real surprise keep it from being anything special," was how I summarized it. I'm wondering now, how much that was just that it didn't quite measure up to I, Claudius.

12 posted on 07/02/2006 8:01:00 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: ASA Vet; nopardons; shamusotoole; Question_Assumptions; Knitting A Conundrum

So, I guess this idea is a boner?

[rimshot!]


13 posted on 07/02/2006 8:03:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Uhhh...let's make everybody happy: maybe Homer was gay. /sarcasm


14 posted on 07/02/2006 8:05:34 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Probably not. :-)

I've always LOVED THE ODYSSEY and the ending is spectacular.

Have you read Graves' HOMER'S DAUGHTER? It's his "take" on a part of THE ODDYSSEY.

15 posted on 07/02/2006 8:05:45 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: SunkenCiv

Yes.........LOL


16 posted on 07/02/2006 8:06:12 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Pharmboy

What's wrong with being happy and light hearted?


17 posted on 07/02/2006 8:08:35 PM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Oh my goodness...someone else that book? :-)

I read many decades ago, when I was a preteen and had bought it for 19 cents, in a remainder bin. It's a first edition and I loved it; however, I was all of 11 or 12 when I read it. LOL

18 posted on 07/02/2006 8:09:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ASA Vet

LOL! Well, he WAS Greek, dontcha know...


19 posted on 07/02/2006 8:11:55 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: nopardons
many male authors, throughout recorded history, HAVE written such books.

"Pamela" by Richardson being a prime example.

20 posted on 07/02/2006 8:12:55 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Sign up to donate monthly and you will be automatically entered in our "Win a Bear Hug Contest")
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