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World's oldest telescope? [ Assyrian telescope? ]
BBC ^ | Thursday, July 1, 1999 | Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 08/11/2007 8:19:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

According to Professor Giovanni Pettinato of the University of Rome, a rock crystal lens, currently on show in the British museum, could rewrite the history of science. He believes that it could explain why the ancient Assyrians knew so much about astronomy. It is a theory many scientists might be prepared to accept, but the idea that the rock crystal was part of a telescope is something else. To get from a lens to a telescope, they say, is an enormous leap. Professor Pettinato counters by asking for an explanation of how the ancient Assyrians regarded the planet Saturn as a god surrounded by a ring of serpents?

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: assyria; assyrian; assyrians; catastrophism; giovannipettinato; godsgravesglyphs
This is an old article, 1999. I've posted it a few times in related topics, but it seems like a good one to have a topic of its own.
Is this the oldest telescope lens in the world?

Is this the oldest telescope lens in the world?

1 posted on 08/11/2007 8:19:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 08/11/2007 8:20:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 9, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The article is from 1999, but I was unable to find any instance of a topic based on it, merely my own postings of it in related topics.

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3 posted on 08/11/2007 8:21:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 9, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Afghanistan was once a scientific and cultural capital of the planet. It was Persian territory at the time. They had astronomical instruments of all kinds, perhaps even a telescope, who knows.


4 posted on 08/11/2007 8:29:24 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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“Afghanistan was once a scientific and cultural capital of the planet. It was Persian territory at the time.”

At times, it was Persian territory. However, the Persian influence came much later - well after Persia and Afghanistan had been converted to Islam. For the vast majority of its ancient history, Afghanistan was Hindu and Buddhist.

In terms of influences, the ancient Hindus, Buddhists, and Greeks (Selucid dynasties) played the major role in shaping Afghan culture and civilization.


5 posted on 08/11/2007 8:37:58 AM PDT by indcons
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To: SunkenCiv

Looks like a magnifying glass used to start fire.


6 posted on 08/11/2007 8:39:08 AM PDT by indcons
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To: RightWhale
From the article: And why is it in their many astronomical reports on clay tablets there is no mention of such a device? Maybe because It's kind small -- particularly as compared to the Pyramids -- and, as I seem to remember, they aren't mentioned in the Bible -- or anywhere in existing ancient Egyptian documents, either.
7 posted on 08/11/2007 8:40:32 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: SunkenCiv

i thought i saw that on the old star trek tv series in the 1960s.

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8 posted on 08/11/2007 8:43:49 AM PDT by ken21 (28 yrs + 2 families = banana republic junta. si.)
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To: RightWhale
OTOH, maybe it was from an Assyrian corner kitsch shop, Aisle 3, fifth shelf, right next to the Egyptian pug...


9 posted on 08/11/2007 8:44:42 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Sure. It ought to be noted that the Persian religion was intensively astronomical, although it was for astrological purposes. They had all kinds of astronomical instruments the better to measure the locations of the planets. They had dual capitals: Tehran and Kabul and their best observatory was in Afghanistan.


10 posted on 08/11/2007 8:44:55 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: Cvengr

Some ancient artisans were very skilled working crystal. With pieces left over after major works they might make various objects including lenses. You can make a telescope from two lenses and a stick, don’t need all that tube and equatorial mount, etc.


11 posted on 08/11/2007 8:48:32 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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L O L

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12 posted on 08/11/2007 8:52:17 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: ken21

Well, the Original Cast did do a lot of time travel... and this lens looks a lot like that cracked one Kirk sold in 20th century San Francisco...


13 posted on 08/11/2007 9:03:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, August 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

:’) Good point.


14 posted on 08/11/2007 9:04:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, August 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: RightWhale

The Assyrian Nimrud lens would be around 9th century BC, a while before the Assyrians exiled the Israelite tribes, some of whome wound up in Central Asia.


15 posted on 08/11/2007 9:05:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, August 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Somewhere along the line a science of optics developed in that region, before Galileo, Newton, etc., way before. The Greek ship-burning lenses were likely a story out of the ME.


16 posted on 08/11/2007 9:09:23 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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“Looks like a magnifying glass used to start fire.”

Two of them, spaced apart, ARE a telescope. Helps if you put them in some sort of tube, but it ain’t that difficult.

17 posted on 08/11/2007 9:15:38 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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"Some ancient artisans were very skilled working crystal."

The largest single piece of quartz/crystal in the world is displayed at the entrance to Arlington National Cemetery. (Just FYI)

18 posted on 08/11/2007 9:24:09 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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19 posted on 08/11/2007 9:42:40 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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Afghanistan, cultural capital? Beats the heck out of me, I wasn’t there.


20 posted on 08/11/2007 11:42:45 AM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Everybody knows the rings of Saturn are composed of lost airline luggage!

(credit - Dennis Miller)


21 posted on 08/11/2007 11:51:56 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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He believes that it could explain why the ancient Assyrians knew so much about astronomy.

He just may be right. Until we invent time travel we will never know for sure. :D

22 posted on 08/12/2007 6:03:16 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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1999 Article about a potential ancient telescope also mentions the strange fixation with Saturn as the luminary... PING!

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23 posted on 08/12/2007 2:40:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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sometimes I wonder...

24 posted on 08/12/2007 4:45:18 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Goliath's monocle?
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25 posted on 08/12/2007 7:54:12 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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These stones have been proven to be fake with the fellow who makes them demonstrating his methods.

26 posted on 08/13/2007 5:09:25 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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http://members.cox.net/icastones/10-book-disputing_the_hoax_claims.htm

I’m keeping an open mind.


27 posted on 08/13/2007 7:37:07 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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Maya always be around. :’)


28 posted on 08/13/2007 8:48:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, August 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Great place to mine samsonite.


29 posted on 08/13/2007 8:49:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, August 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Legume get away with it, and pretty soon the whole of Canaan is a nut barn.


30 posted on 08/13/2007 9:01:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, August 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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31 posted on 08/14/2007 3:29:44 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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