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Months after mummy claim, DNA science still lags [Hatshepsut]
ctv.ca ^ | Thursday, December 20, 2007 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/23/2007 5:41:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv

So far, results indicate the linen-wrapped mummy is most likely, but not conclusively, the female pharaoh Queen Hatshepsut... Running its own ancient-DNA lab is a major step forward for Egypt, which for decades has seen foreigners take most of the credit for major discoveries in the country... But the Hatshepsut discovery also highlights the struggle to back up recent spectacular findings in Egypt, including the unearthing of ancient tombs and mummies, investigations into how King Tut died, and even the discovery in the Siwa oasis of possibly the world's oldest human footprint... In June Egypt announced that Hatshepsut's mummy had been found, and about a month later the Discovery Channel aired the documentary -- showcasing scientific breakthroughs including CT scans and DNA testing... Hawass, other Egyptian officials and the Discovery Channel all stand by their findings, even though the DNA testing is incomplete... Most of the evidence that led Hawass to declare the mummy to be Hatshepsut did not come from DNA but from CT scans. Those scans showed that a tooth found in a relic box displaying the pharaoh's insignia matched a gap in the mummy's jaw... Now, scientists at the Egyptian Museum lab are comparing Hatshepsut's DNA sequences to the previously identified mummy of Hatshepsut's grandmother... The Discovery Channel paid for the current lab in exchange for exclusive rights to film the search for the Hatshepsut mummy. Hawass said he's offering other companies a similar deal: the rights to film a highly coveted expedition -- possibly the search for King Tut's family -- in exchange for a second lab.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 18thdynasty; amarna; ancientegypt; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; hatshepsut; helixmakemineadouble
Months after mummy claim, DNA science still lags The mummy of Pharaoh Queen Hatshepsut is displayed at the Egyptian museum in Cairo, Egypt, Wednesday, June 27, 2007. (AP / Amr Nabil)
Months after mummy claim, DNA science still lags An X-ray image of the mummy of Pharaoh Queen Hatshepsut is seen at the Egyptian museum in Cairo, Egypt. (Discovery Channel)

1 posted on 12/23/2007 5:41:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 12/23/2007 5:42:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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Genealogy of New Kingdom Pharaohs and Queens
by Scott Woodward
September 1996
Egyptologists have struggled with the genealogy of New Kingdom (1570-1070 B.C.) pharaohs for more than a century. Many royal mummies from this period have been identified, either by modern scholars or 20th Dynasty priests who rescued some of them from the depredations of tomb robbers. But we cannot always trust these identifications. The incomplete historical record is exacerbated by the fact that royal brothers and sisters, and even fathers and daughters, intermarried. Uncertainty abounds: How was a particular pharaoh related to his successor? Which of a pharaoh's wives was the mother of his heir? There are also many unidentified mummies. Could one of them be Hatshepsut or Akhenaten? Were the two fetuses found in Tutankhamun's tomb carried by his wife Ankhensenpaaten? Since 1993 microbiologist Scott Woodward has been analyzing DNA from the mummified remains of these pharaohs and queens, in cooperation with Nasry Iskander, chief curator of the royal mummies at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

3 posted on 12/23/2007 5:46:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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To: SunkenCiv

Kinda like he was his own grandfather.


4 posted on 12/23/2007 5:53:05 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Who Was Who Among The Royal Mummies
by Edward F. Wente
Seti II is an interesting case, because he should belong to the Nineteenth Dynasty line, being the grandson of Ramesses II and son of Merenptah. Elliot Smith in his catalogue of the royal mummies had already noted in 1912 that Seti II does not at all resemble the orthognathous heavyjawed pharaohs of the Nineteenth Dynasty, but bears a striking resemblance to the kings of the Eighteenth Dynasty. Smith's observations, which were not made with the aid of x-rays and computer analysis of craniofacial variation, nonetheless were those of a person with considerable experience in examining human remains. Subjected to Jim's more sophisticated approach using cephalometric x-ray tracings and cluster analysis, this mummy was found to be most similar in craniofacial morphology to the mummies of Thutmose II and III. In other words, Seti II was not Seti II. The confusion between Seti II and Thutmose II may have been occasioned by the similarity of their prenomens when written in the hieratic script.

Since the identification of Thutmose I was already seriously in doubt, there would be room to insert the Seti II mummy into the first half of the Eighteenth Dynasty. This possibility sent me to reevaluate the dockets supposedly identifying the mummy of Thutmose II. On the mummy the orthography of the king's name was not without ambiguity, while on the coffin the scribe had originally written the prenomen of Thutmose I and then altered it to Thutmose II's. Since the mummy identified as Thutmose II was older at death than the Seti II one, and from historical considerations we believe that Thutmose I died at an older age than Thutmose II, the end result of this part of our inquiry was to suggest that the Thutmose II mummy really belonged to Thutmose I and the Seti II mummy to Thutmose II, while Thutmose III has possibly been correctly identified. I say "possibly" because the shroud of Thutmose III, which has been used to identify the mummy, was discovered not wrapped around the body but simply folded on top of the mummy, which itself bore no clear identification...

The craniofacial morphology of the mummy labeled Amenhotep III also made it difficult to place in the position he should occupy as son of Thutmose IV. Of the mummies in the collection only the one supposed to be Amenhotep II is a suitable candidate to have been the father of the Amenhotep III mummy. Over the years Jim became increasingly intrigued by the Amenhotep III mummy, because it is one of the most severely battered of the royal mummies, having suffered postmortem injuries of a very violent nature, more than what tomb-robbers generally inflicted upon the mummies in search of precious items. Since the publication of the x-ray atlas further study of this mummy has been undertaken by Jim and Dr. Fawzia Hussein, Director of the Anthropological Laboratory of the National Research Center, Cairo; and it has been ascertained that the skull is two standard deviations too large for his body, and its craniofacial characteristics are consonant with sculptured portraits of Akhenaten... What may be said on the basis of the biologic evidence of craniofacial variation is that the mummy labeled as Amenhotep III by the restorers was not a likely father, or even grandfather, of Tutankhamun... [W]e suggest that Thutmose IV was the paternal grandfather of Tutankhamun, a conclusion consonant with a literal reading of the text on the Oriental Institute astronomical instrument, and that Amenhotep III was his maternal grandfather. In other words, Tutankhamun was the offspring of a marriage between a son of Thutmose IV and a daughter of Amenhotep III.

Sequence Of Kings Royal Mummies
Dynasty 18 Scheme 1 Scheme 2 Scheme 3
Thutmose I = Thutmose II Thutmose II Thutmose II
Thutmose II = Seti II Seti II Seti II
Thutmose III = Thutmose III Thutmose III ? Thutmose III
Amenhotep II = --- --- ? Thutmose III
Thutmose IV = Amenhotep II Amenhotep II Thutmose IV
Amenhotep III = Thutmose IV Thutmose IV Amenhotep II
Akhenaten = KV 55 --- Amenhotep III
Smenkhkare = --- KV 55 KV 55
Tutankhamun = Tutankhamun Tutankhamun Tutankhamun
Aye = Amenhotep III Amenhotep III ---

Royal Mummies Musical Chairs:
Cases Of Mistaken Identities?

by Dennis C. Forbes

(book excerpt)
Turning to the problematic "Thutmose I," they concluded that No. 61065 was, indeed, almost certainly a Thutmosid because of his craniofacial morphology, but not a king. Analysis of Harris's x-rays concurred with Smith's original estimate of the individual's age at death being eighteen or twenty years -- far too young for the historical Thutmose I. And then there was the aforementioned problem of the mummy's extended arms. Since the arms of Amenhotep I and the individual thought to be Thutmose II were in the kingly crossed position, it seemed wholly unlikely that those who mummified "Thutmose I" would have broken with established tradition (inasmuch as the so-called "royal position" was apparently not a New Kingdom innovation, the skeletal remains of ephemeral King Hor of the late Middle Kingdom having been found at Dahshur by Jacques De Morgan with the arms crossed). Thus, Harris and Wente relegated No. 61065 to anonymity, leaving the "Thutmose I" slot open for another candidate.

5 posted on 12/23/2007 5:53:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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:’) I notice that I screwed up the ping message a little, but hopefully no one will pay it any mind. :’)


6 posted on 12/23/2007 5:55:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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At Empires Edge At Empire's Edge
Exploring Rome's Egyptian Frontier

by Robert B. Johnson
[T]he scenic Myos Hormos Road between the Red Sea and the Nile served as a vital artery through the Eastern Desert. Halfway along its path, in Wadi Hammamat, an astounding collection of graffiti and inscriptions attest to its commercial and political importance... These inscriptions, for example, reveal that Queen Hatshepsut's famous expedition to the land of Punt began along this route to the sea.

7 posted on 12/23/2007 6:07:30 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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Speos Artemidos (Grotto of Artemis)
Jimmy Dunn (?)
About 2 miles southwest of Beni Hassan is the Cave of Artemis, which was hewn out of rock. It is located in the Batn el-Baqara wadi and is dedicated to the lion-goddess Pakhet (she who scratches), otherwise known as Artemis. There are scenes of offerings to various gods, but the most interesting thing here is an inscription over the entrance which states that Hatshepsut (18th Dynasty) has rid Egypt of the Hyksos. Actually, she did not.

8 posted on 12/23/2007 6:09:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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Significant Events Yrs from death of Thutmose I Regnal Year of Thutmose II Regnal Year of Hatshepsut Regnal Year of Thutmose III
Thutmose II assumes the throne 1 1
2 2
Mortuary temple inscriptions 3 3
4 4
Thutmose II dies, Thutmose II assumes the throne 5 5 1
Dedication inscription at Semma 6 2
Hatshepsut assumes full titulary
Senenmut's tomb started
7 7 3
Donation stele of Senenmut 8 8 4
Punt expedition, Sinai Stela, Useramen appointed vizier, counting from the accession of Thutmose III ceases 9 9 5
10 10
11 11
12 12
Menkheperre & Hatshepsut depicted together 13 13 13
14 14
Hatshepsut's obelisks begun 15 15 15
First actual joint dating 16 16 16
(after William Petty)



9 posted on 12/23/2007 6:09:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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10 posted on 12/23/2007 6:13:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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11 posted on 12/23/2007 8:20:05 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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“You know, if I were a single man, I might ask that mummy out. That’s a good-looking mummy” - Slick Willie


12 posted on 12/23/2007 9:23:49 AM PST by Sparky1776
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[noise of old trunk opening]

People who date mummies aren’t wrapped too tight.

[noise of mummy drummer /rimshot]


13 posted on 12/23/2007 9:41:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s begining to sound like a day time soap opera.


14 posted on 12/23/2007 11:13:21 AM PST by marsh2
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All we need is some guy in a coma who had just knocked up someone before his accident, and we’re there! :’) MC/HNY.


15 posted on 12/23/2007 1:10:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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Months after mummy claim, DNA science still lags [Hatshepsut]
ctv.ca | Thursday, December 20, 2007 | Associated Press
Posted on 12/23/2007 8:41:53 AM EST by SunkenCiv
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Manchester University Helps With Pharaoh Analysis (Hatshepsut)
Eureka Alert | 7-16-2007 | University Of Manchester
Posted on 07/16/2007 10:19:32 PM EDT by blam
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Egyptologists Think They Have Hatshepsut’s Mummy
ABC News | 6-26-2007 | Jonathan Wright
Posted on 06/26/2007 5:41:36 PM EDT by blam
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Mummy of Egyptian queen Hatshepsut may have been found
(in a humble tomb in the Valley of the Kings)
Reuters on Yahoo | 6/25/07 | Jonathan Wright
Posted on 06/25/2007 11:05:18 PM EDT by NormsRevenge
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Hatshepsut mummy found
Egyptian State News Service | Friday, March 24, 2006 | unattributed
Posted on 03/26/2006 11:43:05 PM EST by SunkenCiv
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16 posted on 12/27/2007 6:44:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 23, 2007)
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Secrets Of Egypts Lost Queen Secrets Of Egypt's Lost Queen
Discovery Channel DVD
review by some Zowie-lover


17 posted on 01/01/2008 10:46:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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