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Those nice Vikings did a lot for us - and it wasn’t all pillaging[UK]
Times Online ^ | 13 Mar 2008 | Ben Hoyle

Posted on 03/13/2009 10:24:11 AM PDT by BGHater

From the moment that they ransacked a remote priory at Lindisfarne in 793, the Vikings have had a bad press.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle’s entry for the year says that the raiders made “lamentable havoc in the church of God in Holy-island, by rapine and slaughter”, fixing the popular image of the Vikings for the next 1,200 years. New evidence suggests that many of the Norse invaders were in fact model immigrants.

Historians will try to redress the balance today at a conference at the University of Cambridge and show that the Vikings who settled in Britain and Ireland were technologically sophisticated, swapped ideas and often lived in relative harmony with Anglo-Saxons and Celts.

“The latest evidence does not point to a simple opposition between ‘Vikings’ and ‘natives’,” said Fiona Edmonds, of the Department of Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic at the university. “Within a relatively short space of time — and with lasting effect — the various cultures in Britain and Ireland started to intermingle. Investigating that process provides us with a historical model of how political groups can be absorbed into complex societies, contributing much to those societies in the process. There are important lessons that can be gained from this about cultural assimilation in the modern era.”

The findings are based on new archaeological evidence, historical studies and analysis of the language, literature and coinage of the period. Together they illustrate how between the 9th and 13th centuries, the Vikings became an integral part of social and political life in Britain and Ireland and changed both countries more profoundly than is generally realised.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; assimilation; godsgravesglyphs; thevikings; uk; viking; vikings
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To: Billthedrill

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid


21 posted on 03/13/2009 10:47:27 AM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: BGHater
"Keep It Simple Stupid"

The Celts and Druids didn't invade Scandinavia because?

22 posted on 03/13/2009 10:52:47 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Paladin2

Roman influence?


23 posted on 03/13/2009 10:55:00 AM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: KungFuBrad

No. What we’re being told is that “between the 9th and 13th centuries, the Vikings became an integral part of social and political life in Britain and Ireland and changed both countries more profoundly than is generally realised.”

I doubt that Dr. Edmonds, Cambridge University’s Lecturer in Celtic History give a rat’s *ss about your politcal issue of illegal immigration along the US/Mexican border.
Her bio: http://www.asnc.cam.ac.uk/people/senior/fedmonds.htm

God. It is a shallow life that looks at everything with a conspiratorial bent and through the guise of American politics.


24 posted on 03/13/2009 11:01:24 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: BGHater
Heck, I have no idea.

It could be because they were satisfied with their situation. It could be because the Romans made them Socialists. Who knows.

The "Vikings" were all about Shumpterian Creative Destruction and being the local version of the "Jeffersons" ("Movin' on Up"). Besides they helped to get the gender distinction of words out of the English Language.

25 posted on 03/13/2009 11:20:27 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: BGHater
Without ‘illegal immigrants’ America wouldn't be what it is today.

Yeah, a country with a major illegal immigration problem.

26 posted on 03/13/2009 11:20:30 AM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: Isabel C.

You have to agree that NA was subject to heavy “illegal” immigration prior to the adoption of the Constitution of the US.


27 posted on 03/13/2009 11:23:29 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: blam

“My DNA indicates that I am a Dane (maybe a Viking?) who went to Ireland in ancient times and stayed...”

Man, how old are you anyway?


28 posted on 03/13/2009 11:53:56 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: BGHater

I detect the scent of pro-immigration propaganda.


29 posted on 03/13/2009 12:26:06 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: stinkerpot65

Legal Immigration is cool.

Illegal immigration bad.

Lets not confuse them.


30 posted on 03/13/2009 12:27:44 PM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: behzinlea
"Distantly my haplogroup is IA1, which is called the Viking haplogroup."

My neighbor, who is an immigrant from New Zealand, is also I1a.

The R1b's spent the Ice Age in the Iberian refuge while the I's were in the Baltic refuge at the same time.

31 posted on 03/13/2009 12:31:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Some of my ancestors were Norwegians that “vacationed” in England and stayed.


32 posted on 03/13/2009 2:09:43 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (I am inconsolate over the death of our country.)
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Viking burial ground dispels myth of longship marauders
The Guardian | Tuesday September 7, 2004 | Lee Glendinning and Maev Kennedy
Posted on 09/21/2004 2:11:40 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1222148/posts

Histories: Viking longships brought rape, pillage and cod
New Scientist | June 29, 2008 | Gail Vines
Posted on 07/09/2008 9:54:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2042968/posts


33 posted on 03/13/2009 7:04:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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34 posted on 03/13/2009 7:04:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: TexasRepublic; behzinlea
Did they have large teeth?

Where Do The Finns Come From?

"Grave findings have shown that late Palaeolithic settlers in central Europe and their Mesolithic descendants in the Scandinavian Peninsula were Europoids, who had compartively large teeth - a seemingly comical detail, but nevertheless an important factor in identifying these populations. Although it is very unlikely that the language of these settlers will ever be identified, I cannot see any grounds for the theory that either of these groups spoke Proto-Uralic."

"East Europeans have small teeth compared with the relatively large teeth of the Scandinavian, a peculiarity deriving from an age-old genetic distinction. Ancient skulls tell usthat the early settlers of east Europe were mostly descendants of an ancient east European population which lived in prolonged isolation from the Scandinavians. Perhaps the "Siberian" element in Finnish genes is, in fact, east European in origin? "

35 posted on 03/13/2009 7:06:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: KungFuBrad

You are very astute.

The Vikings weren’t all bad, but in the long run, they helped create the “Dark Ages” along with the Muslims and Magyars.

The Vikings and Magyars became civilized with time but the Muslims are still, well, Muslims,


36 posted on 03/13/2009 7:23:37 PM PDT by ZULU (Obamanation of Desolation is President. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Paladin2; SunkenCiv

The Celts didn’t need to conquer the Viking by invasion - they did so (in a way) through the kidnappings. The Vikings favored the lovely hardy red-haired lasses they encountered and took them home to breed... many Vikings had Celtic mothers and were raised by them, not their absent fathers.

So I’ve been told. :)


37 posted on 03/13/2009 8:00:43 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: ValerieTexas
The Vikings favored the lovely hardy red-haired lasses they encountered and took them home to breed...

At last! An opinion totally devoid of bias! Something much needed on this forum!
LOL!

Hi Val Go Ahead: Click It!
How ya been doin'?

38 posted on 03/13/2009 9:05:08 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: PurpleMan

[I doubt that Dr. Edmonds, Cambridge University’s Lecturer in Celtic History give a rat’s *ss about your politcal issue of illegal immigration along the US/Mexican border.
Her bio: http://www.asnc.cam.ac.uk/people/senior/fedmonds.htm]

She looks like an illegal alien lover to me.


39 posted on 03/13/2009 9:58:46 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: blam
"Where Do The Finns Come From?"

I always liked the idea that Scandanavians are descendants of what was left of ancient Trojan exiles.

yitbos

40 posted on 03/13/2009 10:36:12 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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