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Prehistoric flute in Germany is oldest known
Associated Press ^ | Jun 24, 2009 | Patrick McGroarty

Posted on 06/24/2009 12:40:02 PM PDT by decimon

AP Photo/Daniel Maurer

A bird-bone flute unearthed in a German cave was carved some 35,000 years ago and is the oldest handcrafted musical instrument yet discovered, archaeologists say, offering the latest evidence that early modern humans in Europe had established a complex and creative culture.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsvine.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: archaeomusicology; creation; epigraphyandlanguage; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals

1 posted on 06/24/2009 12:40:03 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Fleutonic ping.


2 posted on 06/24/2009 12:41:21 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

As a flute player, myself.....neat story! Thanks for posting. :)


3 posted on 06/24/2009 12:44:20 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: decimon

must be ian anderson relative’s


4 posted on 06/24/2009 12:45:54 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: decimon

I wonder what the scale sounds like?


5 posted on 06/24/2009 12:47:31 PM PDT by texmexis best (uency)
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To: texmexis best; RushIsMyTeddyBear
I wonder what the scale sounds like?

I don't know. Can you guess at it, Rush?

6 posted on 06/24/2009 12:51:21 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Being a founding member of The Committee to Beat Jean-Pierre Rampal Severely About the Head and Shoulders With James Galway, I regard this as early evidence of Man’s Fallen State.


7 posted on 06/24/2009 12:53:48 PM PDT by Grut
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To: decimon
I believe that early Egyptians put their deceased Pharaohs 'skin flutes' into ceramic vessels, surely these must be older...
8 posted on 06/24/2009 1:00:04 PM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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To: decimon

Looks like a Gao’uld skeleton to me...


9 posted on 06/24/2009 1:00:35 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: decimon

nose flute


10 posted on 06/24/2009 1:00:37 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Flute and pic player here, too!

Sure, sure, flute family but not to be pic-ky, but I’d say it was a piccolo instead of a flute considering the size and what I’d imagine the range would be.


11 posted on 06/24/2009 1:02:11 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Grut

Flute flout, Grut?


12 posted on 06/24/2009 1:05:38 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Bier straw with high pressure release ports...


13 posted on 06/24/2009 1:09:53 PM PDT by IrishPennant (RLT = Radical Left Terrorism...feel it????)
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To: decimon

I have no idea...with part of it missing. The pitch would be pretty high tho by looking at the length and bore size.


14 posted on 06/24/2009 1:16:03 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: Grut

LOL!


15 posted on 06/24/2009 1:17:06 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
If you follow this link, you can find the NYT version of this story with audio of a replica ancient flute being played:

Flutes Offer Clues to Stone-Age Music

Friedrich Seeberger, a German specialist in ancient music, reproduced the ivory flute in wood. Experimenting with the replica, he found that the ancient flute produced a range of notes comparable in many ways to modern flutes. “The tones are quite harmonic,” he said. A replica is yet to be made of the recent discovery, but the archaeologists said they expected the five-hole flute with its larger diameter to “provide a comparable, or perhaps greater, range of notes and musical possibilities.”

16 posted on 06/24/2009 1:31:13 PM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: MaestroLC

Cheers! I’ll check it out.


17 posted on 06/24/2009 1:58:00 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: decimon
Stone age civilizations could be culturally very advanced. The Native Americans and Hawaiians were essentially stone age civilizations.
18 posted on 06/24/2009 1:59:04 PM PDT by ThinkingBuddha
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To: Grut
The Committee to Beat Jean-Pierre Rampal Severely About the Head and Shoulders With James Galway

ROFL!

19 posted on 06/24/2009 2:09:07 PM PDT by paulycy (Liberal DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE speech.)
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To: decimon; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

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Thanks decimon. Obviously made by a distant ancestor of Ian Anderson.

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20 posted on 06/24/2009 2:42:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.troopathon.org/index.php -- June 25th -- the Troopathon)
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To: bgill

Flute and pic player here, too!

Yeah, me too. Not something a lot of guys will admit to, but then, I sure met a lot of good looking young ladies while occupying that coveted First Flute position...


21 posted on 06/24/2009 2:55:09 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: SunkenCiv
Aqualung himself:


22 posted on 06/24/2009 2:56:29 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Waterboarding isn't torture. Listening to Miley Cyrus is torture.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Paleo-Zamfir


23 posted on 06/24/2009 3:47:20 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oldest flute.... smallest acid drop.... when are we gonna find the most exaggeratedest headline?


24 posted on 06/24/2009 3:59:51 PM PDT by djf (Man up!! Don't be a FReeloader!! Make a donation today!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Could have been made by a Neanderthal.


25 posted on 06/24/2009 4:17:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

quite.

Neanderthal Flute
Bob Fink | updated March 1998 | Bob Fink
Posted on 09/11/2005 9:12:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1482622/posts

Anthropologists Hail Romania Fossil Find (35K Y.O. Humans)
AP/Yahoo | 3-6-2004 | Alison Mutler
Posted on 03/07/2004 12:49:38 PM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1092694/posts


26 posted on 06/24/2009 5:06:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.troopathon.org/index.php -- June 25th -- the Troopathon)
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To: CholeraJoe

Meanwhile I’m sitting in the dark, in 90 degree heat, while an ice cream wagon rolls by, playing a really crappy too-fast electronic-synth version of “The Sting”. :’)


27 posted on 06/24/2009 5:07:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.troopathon.org/index.php -- June 25th -- the Troopathon)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam
NEANDERTHAL FLUTE

Oldest Musical Instrument's 4 Notes Matches 4 of Do, Re, Mi Scale

Above: 43,ooo-82,ooo-year old Cave Bear femur bone segment with 4 holes. (2 complete holes, and 2 confirmed partial holes, one at each broken end of bone.)

28 posted on 06/24/2009 5:16:28 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Relax with this
29 posted on 06/24/2009 5:33:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Alright, the flute shown on your link is listed as older than the one on this thread, so these people are lying when they say it is the oldest flute artifact found! Wow, imagine, an Archeologist lying about their find!


30 posted on 06/24/2009 5:37:15 PM PDT by calex59
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To: SunkenCiv

Why aren’t you out there getting that ice cream in that 90 degree heat, don’t you want to be like Bozo?


31 posted on 06/24/2009 5:38:44 PM PDT by calex59
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To: djf

Pretty much any MSM eulogy of Obama policies are pretty much the only contenders.


32 posted on 06/24/2009 5:43:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.troopathon.org/index.php -- June 25th -- the Troopathon)
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To: Fred Nerks
Well...there ya go, thanks.

"An ancient bone flute segment, estimated at about 43,ooo up to 82,ooo years old, was found recently at a Neanderthal campsite by Dr. Ivan Turk, a paleontologist at the Slovenian Academy of Sciences in Ljubljana. It's the first flute ever to be associated with Neanderthals and its confirmed age makes it the oldest known musical instrument."

33 posted on 06/24/2009 5:43:52 PM PDT by blam
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To: calex59

The do-re-mi flute (shown in the graphic posted above, thanks Fred Nerks) isn’t accepted as a flute by all, or most, and I’m not too sure it’s even accepted as an artifact by some. :’)


34 posted on 06/24/2009 5:46:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.troopathon.org/index.php -- June 25th -- the Troopathon)
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To: calex59

http://chippewa-lleye.com/Icecream.aspx


35 posted on 06/24/2009 5:48:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.troopathon.org/index.php -- June 25th -- the Troopathon)
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To: decimon

Did it have Helen Thomas’ name on it?


36 posted on 06/24/2009 6:01:58 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s an ongoing argument here...

CHEWED OR CHIPPED?
Who Made the Neanderthal Flute?
HUMANS OR CARNIVORES?
By Bob Fink
Updated Nov., 2008

http://www.greenwych.ca/chewchip.htm


37 posted on 06/24/2009 6:10:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Still, it makes a noise. Either way my statement about archeologist lying about their finds still holds, one or the other of these people lied about their flute and how old it was!


38 posted on 06/24/2009 7:10:17 PM PDT by calex59
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv

Pied Piper ping


39 posted on 06/24/2009 7:25:34 PM PDT by Redcitizen (December 21, 2012; there's change for ya!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Lol!

Yiu can bet they’ll figure out a way to make a superlative out of “most baddest ass”!


40 posted on 06/24/2009 8:26:06 PM PDT by djf (Go tell everybody its calm before the storm Can you hear the distant thunder baby....)
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To: djf

“One time at Band Camp ....... “


41 posted on 06/25/2009 7:22:45 AM PDT by Nakota
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To: CholeraJoe
LOL...is he wearing a chastity belt?!?!?

That thing looks thick as a brick!

42 posted on 06/25/2009 7:25:41 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Codpiece, I believe.


43 posted on 06/25/2009 7:29:45 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Waterboarding isn't torture. Listening to Miley Cyrus is torture.)
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