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Gate found in Karnak Temple adds new name to ancient kings' list [ 17th dyn pharaoh ]
Ahram Online ^ | Sunday, March 4, 2012 | Nevine El-Aref

Posted on 03/05/2012 6:42:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv

During routine excavations on the northern side of the Amun-Re Temple in Luxor's famous Karnak temple complex, a team from the French-Egyptian Centre for the Study of the Karnak Temples this week unearthed a gate that they say has led to a significant breakthrough in archaeologists' understanding of Egypt's enigmatic 17th Dynasty. It was this dynasty that launched the military campaign that eventually succeeded in ridding Egypt of the tribe of invaders known as the "Hyksos."

The gate, carved out of limestone, is engraved with the name of a king called "Sen-Nakht-En-Re." Mansour Boreik, general supervisor of monuments in Luxor, told Ahram Online that this king's name was previously mentioned twice - during the Rameside period and during the reign of King Ahmose, the latter of whom is traditionally given credit for expelling the Hyksos from Egypt.

Boreik went on to note that, despite these earlier references to Sen-Nakht-En-Re, archaeologists had believed him to be an imaginary king, since no monuments had ever been found bearing his name. The recent discovery of the pharaoh's name on the gate in Karnak, however, strongly suggests that the king was, in fact, once a ruler of ancient Egypt.

In addition to Sen-Nakht-En-Re's cartouche, the gate is also engraved with hieroglyphic writing, according to which the king had the gate built from limestone blocks transported from Tora (modern Helwan, south of Cairo), which had been under Hykos rule at the time.

(Excerpt) Read more at english.ahram.org.eg ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; sennakhtenre
Engraved limestone gate unearthed in Karnak temple complex on Luxor's east bank bears name of King Ahmose's previously unknown great-grandfather

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1 posted on 03/05/2012 6:42:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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Ancient Egyptian Royalty Wielded Serious Weapons
Owen Jarus, LiveScience Contributor
Date: 21 July 2011 Time: 12:29 PM ET
http://www.livescience.com/15170-ancient-egyptian-royalty-wielded-weapons.html
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2 posted on 03/05/2012 6:43:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

One of *those* topics. Thanks Renfield.



3 posted on 03/05/2012 6:45:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


4 posted on 03/05/2012 6:47:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv
archaeologists had believed him to be an imaginary king

This seems so strange to me. Just because evidence hadn't yet been found doesn't mean he didn't exist.

5 posted on 03/05/2012 6:51:32 PM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Very interesting. Thank you for the post. By the way Johnny Carson would be proud of this discovery at Karnak.


6 posted on 03/05/2012 6:53:28 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: SunkenCiv

7 posted on 03/05/2012 6:58:55 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Rocky; SunkenCiv
This seems so strange to me.

Me too. I don't see the Egyptians just making up imaginary kings. And just how many imaginary Egyptian kings are there?

8 posted on 03/05/2012 7:04:06 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Nik Naym

D**m, you beat me to it.


9 posted on 03/05/2012 7:17:54 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: SunkenCiv

WOW!


10 posted on 03/05/2012 7:31:18 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (When does the shooting start?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for posting this!

Fascinating!


11 posted on 03/05/2012 7:37:45 PM PST by Danae (Njtt Ujdlmz, zpv sfbmmz offe up esjol npsf pwbmujof.)
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To: Nik Naym; justlurking

“May the swami of Baghdad squat on your fez.”

http://www.nightscribe.com/Politics/carnacquotes.htm


12 posted on 03/05/2012 7:45:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Rocky; Parley Baer; bigheadfred; Outlaw Woman; Danae

And could they *see* their imaginary kings??? ;’)

Quirke’s book on the list of pharaohs includes only those names actually found on monuments, although he discusses some of the ephemeral kings. It’s little known, for example, that Khufu (of Great Pyramid fame) was succeeded by his son Djedjefre, who started his own pyramid a few miles north, at Abu Roash. Djedjefre apparently died young, and was succeeded by his own son, who was then supplanted by Khafre, builder of the second of the big pyramids at Giza. One of the granddaughters of Khufu had a pretty nice burial chamber of her own in the largely unmapped catacombs underlying the Giza plateau. In the carving she seems to have had no body image problems or self-esteem shortfalls.

The king lists which gave us the entire dynastic structure were compiled (and possibly invented, at least in part) by Manetho, an Egyptian who lived late in the New Kingdom era (the division into three “kingdoms”, grouping dynasties into three eras, with some grouped in “intermediate periods”, is a modern convention). His list survives in three slightly later variant and (overlapping) fragmentary forms.

Manetho gives the dynasties in sequential order, whereas it is known that a number of these dynasties (including 17) ran concurrent with others.

Egypt did *not* spend its entire history as one undivided state with a single ruler and capital, with beginnings 5000 years ago. A fair assessment yields the view that Egypt’s history consists of continual breakup, struggle, and reunification after periods of years or even generations and sometimes centuries. Even when there were no upstarts in this or that region, there were schisms in the ruling families, and those often resulted in the end of a dynasty.

The temple of Seti “the Great”, which was completed by his better-known son, Ramses II “the Great”, has a wall showing many generations of unbroken kingship back to Menes; a fair number of the kings in that list — including Menes himself — don’t appear on any other monuments anywhere. Ramses II, who was descended from his father (rather than female-line kingship) had lots of wives, lots of kids, and it’s not entirely unlikely that he’s the ancestor of 100s of millions of people today, including most of the population of modern Egypt.


13 posted on 03/05/2012 8:02:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your jockey shorts.


14 posted on 03/05/2012 8:18:08 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Extremely interesting. Thanks for pinging me to that.


15 posted on 03/05/2012 9:16:54 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (When does the shooting start?)
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To: SunkenCiv
Some believe that this is the dynasty which expelled the Jews from Egypt.

The Pharoah of the Exodus could well be Thutmoses IV who would be a couple generations after the Pharaoh discussed in this article.

16 posted on 03/05/2012 9:28:20 PM PST by what's up
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To: Nik Naym

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/heyho.wav


17 posted on 03/06/2012 11:35:30 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SunkenCiv

“it’s not entirely unlikely that he’s the ancestor of 100s of millions of people today, including most of the population of modern Egypt.”

Since they now think they have the mummy of Ramses identified and might be able to get DNA from it, how cool would it be for modern Egyptians to have a plaque on their wall certifying a relationship to their great,great, great, great,great, great, great, etc.


18 posted on 03/06/2012 4:59:09 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“it’s not entirely unlikely that he’s the ancestor of 100s of millions of people today, including most of the population of modern Egypt.”

Since they now think they have the mummy of Ramses identified and might be able to get DNA from it, how cool would it be for modern Egyptians to have a plaque on their wall certifying a relationship to their great,great, great, great,great, great, great, etc.


19 posted on 03/06/2012 5:02:00 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill
“it’s not entirely unlikely that he’s the ancestor of 100s of millions of people today, including most of the population of modern Egypt.”

Except for the Copts, most of the population of modern Egypt comes heavily diluted by the gene pool of Arabia.
20 posted on 03/06/2012 5:05:21 PM PST by aruanan
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To: wildbill; blam

That’s a pretty darned good idea!


21 posted on 03/06/2012 7:54:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Outlaw Woman

My pleasure, and thanks for the kind remarks.


22 posted on 03/06/2012 9:19:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Nik Naym

Ouch. ;’)


23 posted on 03/06/2012 9:20:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: what's up

By the time Thutmoses IV was born, the Exodus was centuries in the past.

http://www.varchive.org/ce/theses.htm


24 posted on 03/06/2012 9:26:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: aruanan; SunkenCiv

Who cares if the gene pool is diluted?

When I think of how many folks buy those phony baloney plaques for their walls about their noble forebears escutcheons from geneaology mills, I think of the money old “Zowie” Hawass could make on Rhamses DNA.

Why He could fund the coming jihad for the Muslim Brotherhood.


25 posted on 03/06/2012 11:07:25 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well you SC are one of the top quality posters on FR. I’ve learned so much from your threads and have enjoyed most of them thoroughly. So there... lol


26 posted on 03/07/2012 4:42:42 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (When does the shooting start?)
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