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Genetic study reveals 30% of white British DNA has German ancestry
The Guardian ^ | March 18, 2015 | Hannah Devlin

Posted on 03/19/2015 8:18:37 AM PDT by C19fan

The Romans, Vikings and Normans may have ruled or invaded the British for hundreds of years, but they left barely a trace on our DNA, the first detailed study of the genetics of British people has revealed.

The analysis shows that the Anglo-Saxons were the only conquering force, around 400-500 AD, to substantially alter the country’s genetic makeup, with most white British people now owing almost 30% of their DNA to the ancestors of modern-day Germans.

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TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: angles; british; dna; genealogy; genetics; german; germany; gingergene; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; heptarchy; jutes; normans; romanempire; saxons; thevikings; unitedkingdom; vikings
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To: StayAt HomeMother
Thanks SAHM!
41 posted on 03/19/2015 2:31:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: C19fan

I believe it. I did recent research into my family tree on Mom’s side and found out my Swedish/German ancestors also had some English, Irish, Swiss and French parts as well. Maybe Austrian too. On Dad’s side, I’m Russian, Russian Jew and Serbian. I’m “politically correct” since I’m multicultural. B-D B-)


42 posted on 03/19/2015 2:54:25 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Eska

For Y-DNA (father’s father’s direct line), FamilyTreeDNA is your best bet.
For finding cousins and traditional genealogy, I recommend Ancestry.com.


43 posted on 03/19/2015 3:10:27 PM PDT by StayAt HomeMother
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To: C19fan
"Genetic study reveals 30% of white British DNA has German ancestry"

Verrry interesting!

44 posted on 03/19/2015 3:10:45 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: C19fan

The House of Windsor is the royal house of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms. It was founded by King George V by royal proclamation on 17 July 1917, when he changed the name of the British Royal Family from the German Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (a branch of the House of Wettin) to the English Windsor, due to the anti-German sentiment in the British Empire during World War I.[1] The most prominent member of the House of Windsor is its head, Queen Elizabeth II, who is the reigning monarch of 16 Commonwealth realms.

Source: Wikipedia


45 posted on 03/19/2015 3:13:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (born Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark[2] on 10 June 1921)[fn 1] is the husband of Queen Elizabeth II. He is the longest-serving, oldest-ever spouse of a reigning British monarch, and the longest-lived male member of the British royal family.

A member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, Prince Philip was born in Greece into the Greek and Danish royal families, but his family was exiled from Greece when he was a baby.

Source: Wikipedia


46 posted on 03/19/2015 3:16:09 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Eska
"So if one wants something better than ancestry.com’s DNA test;;; Who do you suggest. This dna/family tree is a sickness for sure."

The last test, the 37 marker one, was done at FamilyTreeDNA. I'm satisfied with that. I had transferred my National Geo test results to then years ago and they were all combined now.

I have an account there and I do the DNA stuff and my sister does the 'pure' heritage work, the paper trail, etc. through them...we have a family name DNA/heritage group there too.

I've gotten 'perfect match' (12 marker) DNA alerts from them for years.

47 posted on 03/19/2015 3:49:25 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: EvilCapitalist

I had my DNA done to try to solve some of the mystery of my English ancestors-— It came back Western European/Germanic... The family tree says I’m descended, on my maternal grandfathers side, from the Duke of Kent; Victoria being a first cousin to my great, great, grandmother.

The DNA doesn’t prove anything, of course, but well worth the money.


48 posted on 03/19/2015 8:53:28 PM PDT by Segovia
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To: C19fan
The Romans, Vikings and Normans may have ruled or invaded the British for hundreds of years, but they left barely a trace on our DNA, the first detailed study of the genetics of British people has revealed.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. These invasions took place largely in what we call England. Rome did not go into what we call Scotland, Northern Ireland. Wales was another area spared from invaders. So why measure the genetic makeup of Britain which includes those areas invaders avoided?

49 posted on 03/19/2015 10:18:42 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (behind enemy lines)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
"Wales was another area spared from invaders. So why measure the genetic makeup of Britain which includes those areas invaders avoided? "

Stupid? I think not. The DNA results support or disprove accepted history.

2-3 different DNA studies by different researchers have failed to find any clue of Picts in Scotland as an example. They are all the same people, just different culture.

What do you think Offa's Dyke was about?

The generally accepted theory about much of the earthwork attributes its construction to Offa, King of Mercia from 757 to 796. The structure did not represent a mutually-agreed boundary between the Mercians and the Kingdom of Powys. It had a ditch on the Welsh (western) side, with the displaced soil piled into a bank on the Mercian (eastern) side. This suggests that Mercians constructed it as a defensive earthwork, or to demonstrate the power and intent of their kingdom.

I recommend you read this book, Origins Of The British

50 posted on 03/20/2015 6:40:44 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: blam
2-3 different DNA studies by different researchers have failed to find any clue of Picts in Scotland as an example. They are all the same people, just different culture.

I would expect genetic studies of Scotland would show up as primarily as Scots followed by Irish, Norse, Normans, and lastly by Germans. This can be derived from genealogical means. I would not expect Romans in the bloodline. They built Hadrian's wall to shut them out.

My complaint is that a genetic study of Britain as a whole is defective. The area now called Britain had varying histories of conquest in England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Island. Would one expect more German genes in the English than in the other areas? I would. Why tell us only about the 30 percent. What is the 70 percent?

51 posted on 03/20/2015 7:40:23 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (behind enemy lines)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
"My complaint is that a genetic study of Britain as a whole is defective. The area now called Britain had varying histories of conquest in England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Island. Would one expect more German genes in the English than in the other areas? I would. Why tell us only about the 30 percent. What is the 70 percent?"

Seventy five Percent of the DNA in Britain today arrived there 15,000-7,500 years ago.

See Here.

My dad's mother (Mrs Smith, my grandmother) had mtDNA U5a, the same as 9,000 Year-Old Cheddar Man
(BTW, Cheddar Cheese takes its name from this area)

52 posted on 03/20/2015 9:48:14 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Antonine Wall


53 posted on 03/20/2015 9:55:03 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: C19fan

Don’t know how to post pictures, but here is a nice map on the genetic findings: http://www.medievalists.net/2015/03/...british-isles/

and here is a great timeline graph per region: http://www.isogg.org/britishcodnasources.htm


54 posted on 03/21/2015 11:45:06 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: Paine in the Neck

Actually, the surprise is just how low it is. If Anglo-saxon makes up only 30%, and Roman, Norman and Viking combined are no more than 5%, then the it follows that the main genetic heritage of modern day Britons is Celtic.


55 posted on 04/03/2015 5:57:53 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: editor-surveyor

English is a Germanic language. It has contributions from French, from Latin, etc but at its root it is clearly Germanic.

Mutter = Mother
Vater = Father
Bruder = brother
Schwester = Sister
Sohn = son
Toechter = daughter
Tante = Aunt
Onkel = Uncle
Finger = finger
Hand = hand
Arm = arm
Schulter = shoulder
Knie = knee
Fuss = foot
Lippe = lip
Auge = eye
Haar = hair
Ohr = ear
nase = nose
mund = mouth
zunge = tongue
kinn = chin

Look at the equivalents for those or other everyday words in any Romance language. It’s not even close. English is basically a North German dialect. If you speak standard ie “high” German and then hear someone speaking “Plattsdeutsch” ie “flat” or “low” German you immediately hear it’s closer to English. Dutch is like a halfway house between English and German. I understand about 3/4s of it and have never studied it.

German = strasse
English = street (double s often becomes t in English)
Dutch = straat

German = danke
English = thank you
Dutch = dank U


56 posted on 09/17/2020 2:41:55 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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