Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 20

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this is Aruban Prosecutors making the re-arrest request. (the call it out for re-arrest - so the dutch have to find him in holland and ship him back to aruba)

3,601 posted on 02/01/2008 5:23:20 PM PST by stlnative

the call ^is^ it out

3,602 posted on 02/01/2008 5:24:29 PM PST by stlnative

ok the re-arrest request has to go in front of a judge within the next 24 hours. If it is approved he will be picked up by dutch LE and sent back to a Aruba jail.

3,603 posted on 02/01/2008 5:32:28 PM PST by stlnative

Source: Prosecutor seeks arrest in Holloway case
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/02/01/aruba.holloway/

Story Highlights...

Judge expected to rule on the request as soon as Saturday, source says

Source: Joran van der Sloot would be brought back to Aruba if judge approves

Prosecutors announce they are reopening Holloway case, AP reports

Material from Dutch journalist “may shed a new light” on how Holloway died

3,604 posted on 02/01/2008 5:34:23 PM PST by stlnative

Gal on Nancy Grace says he probably pushed her face hard into the sand while having sex with her (I say forced sex) and that she suffocated from inhaling beach sand.

3,605 posted on 02/01/2008 5:43:36 PM PST by stlnative

At least Joran might go back to jail.
Aruban judges are known to approve an arrest, but then let him go. Will it be different this time?

I read somewhere that Joran is at his grandma’s home in the Netherlands. Shouldn’t be hard to find him if they really want him.

3,606 posted on 02/01/2008 6:03:07 PM PST by RGVTx

Geraldo says someone close to Beth told him Joran claims Natalee had a seizure and died.

3,607 posted on 02/01/2008 6:04:44 PM PST by RGVTx

yes, i have thought this was always more than just interesting, but Ruth Dijkhoff had already died when paulus gave this information to the police, so he knew she could neither confirm or deny it

i agree there were no winnings to deposit from the 29th

and this has always been a time slot that possibly paulus was doing something entirely different during

3,608 posted on 02/01/2008 6:20:23 PM PST by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)

was she known to have seizures in the past?

3,609 posted on 02/01/2008 6:35:40 PM PST by stlnative

This was the first I had seen this, but I'm sure it didn't come out until much later, no doubt when I wasn't paying attention. The boys were arrested 6/9/05 and were still in jail when PvdS was arrested 6/23, so PvdS could well have been making a 2nd withdrawal at the same bank for another disposal of a 2nd woman during the time from 6/1 - 6/18. The 2nd would have been substantially larger since it entailed snuffing someone, not just disposing of a dead body.

I certainly would like to know HOW this woman died... I know it was sudden, she was 50 yrs. old, and her body was returned to Germany for burial, but that's all the info anyone has that I can find.

I have a feeling whatever bank records there were for PvdS' transactions during that time period no longer exist even if there were a subpoena for them. Just my guess.

3,610 posted on 02/01/2008 6:46:51 PM PST by penowa

Not that I’ve ever heard.

3,611 posted on 02/01/2008 7:07:50 PM PST by RGVTx

Are you watching Greta. LOL. She sai she ay end up with egg on her face! Ya Think!!!

3,612 posted on 02/01/2008 7:12:09 PM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)

Posted at SM:

translation Joran’s interview on pauw & witteman

question: How did this all happen, with this so called confession:

Joran: Yes, I did say something to someone I should not have said, it’s a story
to someone I have know for a while.

question: How long have you known him?

Joran: about 6 months.

quistion: what did you tell him:

Joran: Yes, well everyone will see it this sunday, ha ha ha , but I can easily proof that what I said is not true, it’s a whole lot about nothing, and it’s kinda sad that they brought the mother over here and that they told her, but we’ll see it all.

question: Is it now not right to say right now what you said, and why it is that what you said is not true.

Joran: I talked to my parents and my lawyer and they told me how it is, and they said also , just don’t say anything.

question: The news said tonight that it’s about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water , you glide her in the water.

Joran, Yes, that’s what I said.

question: Is that not very dumb of you to say that?

Joran: Yes it is very dumb, but what I’m trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it’s very difficult to explain, but that person did very brave (?), and I told him what he wanted to hear.

question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

question: but then, Joran it is unbelievable dumb to just say this, if it’s not true.

Joran: It’s so dumb, it’s so dumb, it’s so dumb, it’s really dumb.

question: do you think you will be arrested again?

Joran: No, I don’t think so.
Maybe it could be, they have arrested me before for less than this, but I have been tricked.

question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

quistion: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

question: But he betrayed you, or not?

Joran: Yes, but he does not want to talk, he says, what is coming is coming on sunday.

quiestion: but we’ve heard that he received money from peter van de vries, to get a confession from you.

Joran: Yes, I don’t know, I think he has more than enough money himself, but, we’ll see.

question: what kind of boy is he?

Joran: You see, I don’t know what they are going to show this sunday, but this is a boy, he’s an older man, I met him, and we’ve met a lot, I found him to be fascinating, I was very interested in him, and I, ha ha ha, just told him what he wanted to hear,

question: but how did you not know then that he was not honest, that you told him just what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Yes well, he did a lot of thing you should not do, things that I would never do myself, some of these things he did do,

question: example?

Joran: I don’t want to give an example, I don’t want to talk someone down, but it now shows that he used me
(loose translation)

question: yes with a hidden microphone and a hidden camera, you never noticed that, it would seem.

Joran: These days these things are so little, but it’s just been unbelievable dumb, really really, not normal dumb, and I hope that will become more peaceful because it seems that all hell is breaking loose.

question: Have you had contact with the boy that might have moved the body of Natalee?

Joran: Yes, no, that’s just a boy I met on Aruba, just now, when I was there,

question: Did you speak to him?

Joran: But now I just met him.

question: Does the police have contact with this boy now?

Joran: Yes, well I don’t know, I don’t know it all.
I have talked to my parents and my lawyer, and I just don’t know what’s happening now.
I don’t know what the OM is thinking.
I think they are going to investigate it all, and it will show that it is not that way.

question: you have contact with your dad, does your dad have contact with the OM?
Joran: I don’t know, I think he had a conversation with Mr. Mos, but it’s only about security.

question: Oh so it was not about an new investigation?

Joran: No

question: Because, Mr Mos has said, this is the missing part, your confession.

Joran: Yes, it’s very (vervelend) nasty but what I said was not true, and they can found out if it’s true or not.

question: So you did not go with Natalee in a boat into the water and put her in the water?

Joran: No of course not.

question: That did not happen for sure?

Joran: No,

question: And how can we find out that that is not true, as you say?

Joran: Yes, I don’t know, it has to do with that person, that after two and a half years with that person, that’s not possible
(Joran talks in half sentences here)
No, I, it’s just been very stupid.

question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it’s too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that’s not a good tv program, but that’s the way it is.

question: Joran, but now for all the people that are now thinking, Joran vd Sloot has lied from the beginning , and we talked around this table with Peter de Vries, and now it seems like again he lied again to someone else, why should we believe Joran vd Sloot?

Joran: Yes, I ask myself the same thing, there is no reason to believe me.

question: are you going to watch sunday evening?

Joran: I think I will watch sunday evening, I

question: will you consider to come to our program the next day to give your reaction?

Joran: I don’t know, I think for myself I don’t want to react, I’m pretty sober about it, but we’ll see.

We’ll call on monday again.
Thank you very much.

3,613 posted on 02/01/2008 7:34:59 PM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)

why should we believe Joran vd Sloot?

Joran: Yes, I ask myself the same thing, there is no reason to believe me.

3,614 posted on 02/01/2008 7:53:58 PM PST by stlnative

Well, that’s good....because I do not belive him when he says he lied!

3,615 posted on 02/01/2008 7:58:51 PM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)

I hope 20/20 plays this interview also on Monday night with the rest of it.

3,616 posted on 02/01/2008 8:00:57 PM PST by stlnative

what I’m trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it’s very difficult to explain......because he talked to other friends of mine......it’s so dumb, it’s really dumb......but I have been tricked......I just had a conversation with him......(he betrayed you, or not?)...Yes, but he does not want to talk......he’s an older man, I met him, and we’ve met a lot, I found him to be fascinating, I was very interested in him......I did not have a super good feeling towards him......what they are going to show this sunday.....he did a lot of thing you should not do, things that I would never do myself.....don’t want to give an example, I don’t want to talk someone down, but it now shows that he used me.

swish, LOL

3,617 posted on 02/01/2008 8:08:27 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)

So far all I think 20/20 will be shoing is the DeVries special. But, I’m sure that will mention that Joran claims now that he lied on that tape.

This guy is a piece of work. He lie about dropping Natalee off at the HI at the very beginning. Now he syas he is lying about his confession.

3,618 posted on 02/01/2008 8:11:45 PM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)

the kid is an idiot, and sometimes it really surprises me that no one has cracked this kid yet under interrogation including the dutch.

3,619 posted on 02/01/2008 8:15:58 PM PST by stlnative

The new evidence was described by prosecutor Hans Mos as “impressive and convincing” and “an essential part that was lacking in the investigation.”

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/01/new_clues_surface_in_holloway_case/3873/

3,620 posted on 02/01/2008 8:22:24 PM PST by stlnative

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