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'Status' drives extinction of languages
Australian Broadcasting Corp Online ^ | Thursday, 21 August 2003 | Bob Beale

Posted on 10/17/2004 12:45:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The social status of a language is the most accurate way of predicting whether it will survive, argue researchers in a paper appearing today in the journal, Nature... "Thousands of the world's languages are vanishing at an alarming rate, with 90% of them being expected to disappear with the current generation," warned Dr Daniel Abrams and Professor Steven Strogatz, both of Cornell University in New York... The model is based on data they collected on the number of speakers of endangered languages - in 42 regions of Peru, Scotland, Wales, Bolivia, Ireland and Alsaçe-Lorraine - over time. All have been in steep decline over the past century or so, and the model suggests that Scottish Gaelic and Quechua will be close to extinct by about 2030... A language's fate generally depends on both its number of speakers and its perceived status, the latter usually reflecting the social or economic opportunities afforded to its speakers, they said. When two languages are in competition, the one that offers the greatest opportunities to its speakers will usually prevail.

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1 posted on 10/17/2004 12:45:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 10/17/2004 12:46:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

My mother is the child of Ukrainian immigrants. Her childhood language represents, apparently, something she was ashamed of, and eager to leave behind her. In any case, she never thought of teaching it to us.


3 posted on 10/17/2004 12:59:32 PM PDT by TomSmedley (Technical writer)
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To: SunkenCiv

One of the best programs ever on TV was a series called "The Story of English." It compiled the history of the formation of the language and its impact on the world. English seafaring and colonization over the centuries and the richness of the language have led to its world-wide acceptance. Because English is the official language of the United States, it is now the language that must be spoken world-wide in order for countries to interact, trade and advance.

It is fascinating to realize that the language originally spoken in this relatively small island country of England is fastly becoming the language of the world.


4 posted on 10/17/2004 1:04:01 PM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: SunkenCiv

If the author's premise is true, why didn't the French language spoken by the elites become the national language in Britain?


5 posted on 10/17/2004 1:21:04 PM PDT by curmudgeonII (If you listen you can hear the sound of the train that Kerry missed.)
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To: SunkenCiv

English will be extinct in the US by 2050 - Clinton


6 posted on 10/17/2004 1:25:34 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry: No guts, No Glory, No way!)
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To: SunkenCiv

geography bump


7 posted on 10/17/2004 1:27:23 PM PDT by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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To: Henchman
English will be extinct in the US by 2050 - Clinton

You mean: "English yo gonna no mas heah after while"

8 posted on 10/17/2004 1:28:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Please quote me. I am an Unimpeachable Source.)
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To: freedumb2003
English will be extinct in the US by 2050 - Clinton

You mean: "English yo gonna no mas heah after while"

¡No, significo adiós inglés, hola español o Spanglish!

9 posted on 10/17/2004 2:02:30 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry: No guts, No Glory, No way!)
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To: curmudgeonII

For the answer to that question I recommend "War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy.

Europe spoke French as it now speaks English. The French tide crested in Moscow. Trafalgar ment it never crossed the Channel.


10 posted on 10/17/2004 2:22:46 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: bert
For the answer to that question I recommend "War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy.

I second Tolstoy generally on this matter, not just "War and Peace".

One can find a great deal of insight into the tides of language and culture in Europe in the 19th century in Tolstoy. His books are littered with historical and cultural references that imply a great deal about the influence of various languages and cultures on commerce and society in Europe in those times.

11 posted on 10/17/2004 2:31:29 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: freedumb2003

Ax Me About Ebonics.


12 posted on 10/17/2004 2:39:00 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry: No guts, No Glory, No way!)
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To: Henchman

En Aztlan, yo creo lo mismo


13 posted on 10/17/2004 2:55:46 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Please quote me. I am an Unimpeachable Source.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Most interesting! Many of these 'languages' are dialects that have evolved from ancient roots. I had the most fortunate opportunity to experience this in the Molise Province of Italy. In one small town, the local dialect traces its roots back to Etruscan. Just to cite an example, the word in Italian for "upstairs" is "sopra" (think soprano in music). In this one small town the word in dialect for "upstairs" is "in gup". "Downstairs" in Italian is "sotto" (again, think music - sotto voce). In this small village the word in dialect is "bal".

It is difficult for us in the US, to relate to these extreme differences in language, in villages only miles apart. One village retains a dialect different from the neighboring town. Much of this has to do with the evolution of language, before the advent of modern transportation.

For this reason, it is extremely important that theologians study the source languages of the Bible, AND the audience + time frame in which information was delivered. For the very same reason, it is most interesting to note that with the Qu'uran, it is now understood that the source languages were the various dialects of the Bedouins. Each community had a different 'dialect'; hence christians who tried to proselitize them, resorted to their own linguistic terms. In the process, the Qu'uran was born - a 'bastardized' version of the Bible. Sadly, today, the Imams have condensed and translated everything into Arabic. In the process many of the word meanings were improperly translated, resulting in the mess we see today.

For a greater understanding of this, refer to this link:

The Virgins and the Grapes: the Christian Origins of the Koran

14 posted on 10/17/2004 3:02:02 PM PDT by NYer (Where Peter is, there is the Church.)
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To: curmudgeonII

It did, in part, through loanwords.


15 posted on 10/17/2004 5:01:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: NYer

A couple of former coworkers (both bilingual) were discussing differences in dialect. One had been born in Puerto Rico, the other in Nebraska. The word one of them used for the calf of the leg meant potato to the other. :')


16 posted on 10/17/2004 5:04:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: NYer

Most interesting post.


17 posted on 10/17/2004 5:50:34 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: freedumb2003
This thread is getting serious now!

Welcome to America
...now speak English

18 posted on 10/17/2004 7:23:36 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry: No guts, No Glory, No way!)
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To: Henchman

I will not buy this record, it is scratched!

We do not have any badgers, would you like a wolverine?

The wolverines are eating my face.


19 posted on 10/17/2004 7:30:26 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The cool points are out the window, and you got me all twisted up in the game)
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To: SunkenCiv

It's interesting that the article mentions Gaelic and Quechua, two languages/cultures I'm a bit familiar with. For that reason, I have to disagree with the conjecture that they'll be gone by 2030. I know both are undergoing a revival of sorts with those who speak it.

Knowing that the languages are endangered, those who still speak it are making concerted efforts to keep it alive and use it in daily life. I don't know that either will ever grow and be adopted by more speakers than they have now, but I suspect even in 25 years, there will be a core of people still speaking it similar to the number of those speaking it today.


20 posted on 10/17/2004 7:59:38 PM PDT by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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To: freedumb2003
En Aztlan, yo creo lo mismo

Que es Aztlan?? La cosa se llama Aztlan no existe.

21 posted on 10/17/2004 8:04:58 PM PDT by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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To: tdadams

It will by then. They will call it the USA. It will be in place of what we now call the USA, only it will include Mexico, Guatamala, Nicragua and a few others.


22 posted on 10/17/2004 8:11:11 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The cool points are out the window, and you got me all twisted up in the game)
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To: tdadams

I hope so.

"The Gaelic Language is spoken by around 86,000 individuals primarily in the North of Scotland and in the Western Isles (eg. Skye, Lewis, Harris). The vast majority of gaelic speakers are bilingual Gaelic / English. Today there are very few people who do not speak English.

"Gaelic (or Scottish Gaelic as it is sometimes known outside Scotland) has similarities to the other Celtic languages, and is particulary close to Irish (or Irish Gaelic) to the extent that a mutual understanding is possible. Another variant of Gaelic is spoken in the Isle of Man (a small tax haven between England and Ireland) called Manx Gaelic."

http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/scotland/gaelic.html


23 posted on 10/17/2004 8:23:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: tdadams

Ooh, check it out...

http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/


24 posted on 10/17/2004 8:26:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: NYer
It is difficult for us in the US, to relate to these extreme differences in language, in villages only miles apart. One village retains a dialect different from the neighboring town. Much of this has to do with the evolution of language, before the advent of modern transportation.

A friend of mine is an engineer from one of the minority tribes of Burma, three generations out of the stone age. There are perhaps 500 people who speak his native language. "You walk five miles down the road, and no one understands you anymore," he told me once.

25 posted on 10/18/2004 5:07:59 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley

Thanks for corroborating the information I posted. When you get a chance, do read the information at that link, regarding the source of the Koran.


26 posted on 10/18/2004 7:03:39 AM PDT by NYer (Where Peter is, there is the Church.)
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To: curmudgeonII

Just a word of advice if you ever go to Paris. 'Chapeau' means hat. 'Oof' means egg. It's like those French have a different word for everything.


27 posted on 10/18/2004 7:06:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: NYer

Wow. Read it. Thanks for the link. I hear the Assyrian Christians in Iraq are having hard times, and are being driven in great numbers from the homelands they've occupied for several thousand years.


28 posted on 10/18/2004 7:58:24 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Technical writer)
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To: nopardons

Glad to see you are posting. I was worried about you!


29 posted on 10/18/2004 10:23:39 PM PDT by ladyinred (The simple lie always conquers the more complex truth. (propaganda))
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To: NYer

(i know it is a bit late for the thread but came across both this thread these links while googling)

here is an updated link as the one in your post is out of date:
http://www.chiesa.espressonline.it/dettaglio.jsp?id=7025&eng=y

also, it appears to have been posted right here on fr too:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119114/posts


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31 posted on 11/12/2005 9:07:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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