Posted on 05/21/2005 9:44:15 AM PDT by expatguy
"The Basic Law provides that the Islamic holy book the Koran and the Sunna (tradition) of the Prophet Muhammad are the country's Constitution."
U.S. State Department - Saudi Arabia, 25 February 2004
This is not merely a book, nor simply an instrument of the faith for those of the Islamic faith that we as Americans have been asked to hold in high regard, but the Constitution of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Not only Saudi Arabia, the country of Afghanistan prior to their fall and several other countries even now including Iran's laws are based partially or fully according the Quran.
It is very difficult for many Americans and Westerners to fully comprehend that the precepts of the Quran were intended to be a sufficient code of law for all Muslims throughout the world. To Muslims the Quran is a sacred object held up in reverence, a code of laws not inspired by God as the Bible and the Talmud are, but in essence, they are believed by Muslims to be the very word of God. It therefore should go without saying that to all Muslims, the government, civilized society and the congregation of the faithful are all coextensive.
The very word "Islam" itself means "submission" and not peace. It should be therfore become painfully obvious that freedom and liberty, that very creed for which all Americans live by are in actuality the antagonist of Islam.
The disgraceful and treasonous comments by Dr. Condoleeza Rice now being shamefully displayed on State Department websites worlwide are indicative of just how sick and amoral our society has become that we would pander to resurgent militant Islam in the hopes of somehow propitiating our perpetually offended adversaries. Have we become so blinded by the fog of "political correctness" that as a nation that we have failed to recognize that the very concepts of multiculturalism and diversity are in actuality nothing more than a pernicious form of relativism that culminates ironically into a new form of intolerance. An intolerance to both freedom and democracy. We have seen this before in our history Dr. Rice, in 1939 it was know as fascism.
That eternal aphorism spoken by Franklin Delano Roosevelt rings just as true today as it did back then. "No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb."
We are Americans Dr. Rice. We are a free people and don't you ever forget that.
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"Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States. We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions. Disrespect for the Holy Koran is abhorrent to us all."
I read this over and over again and ask myself why the need to make such a submissive statement in the light of an article that was detracted? Surely the detraction should have been sufficient? (We know that no muslim will believe the detraction anyway, so the apology, the pathetic assurances from Condi sound more like FEAR than a goodwill gesture.) Sometimes, silence really is golden, mouth shut would have made more sense IMO.
"We're going to find out, sooner or later, if Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater."
Good doggie, smart doggie, tell me your tagline.
Thank You Fred. You hit the nail on the head.
First of all and foremost, her comments were made in response to riots.
Secondly, that as Americans, one of the most sacred principles of the United States is "freedom of expression".
As free Americans, we have the right to exercise that freedom and to burn, disrespect, defile, and/or desecrate the Quran for what it stands for without fear.
And the third issue that I brought up is that the Quran is not just a religious book. It is the Constitution of Saudi Arabia and several other countries that prohibit freedom.
Perhaps unwittingly (and as I mentioned - blinded by political correctness) on Dr. Rice's part, she is asking us therefore to "respect" the Constitution of Saudi Arabia.
Thanks for the ping!
"Perhaps unwittingly (and as I mentioned - blinded by political correctness) on Dr. Rice's part, she is asking us therefore to "respect" the Constitution of Saudi Arabia."
I think you can leave out the 'blinded by political correctness' from mine, thank you. I'm on a diet, and btw, go easy on the 'perhaps unwittingly' while you're at it, I don't need the empty calories...what remains is the meat and potatoes methinks.
"No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb."
>"People that preach hate are all over this earth, it's not only Muslims, Christians are just as guilty.
What I'm saying is that Jesus wouldn't approve."<
No, idiot. Christians are, in fact, not "as guilty". Nowhere even close. Your oversimplified Rodney King-esque blandishments betray the absurd shallowness of your historical knowledge and understanding.
In 2,000 years Christians have provided more life transforming, positive moral influence than any other single religion on earth. Wherever they have been prohibited from practising their faith, imprisoned and executed, flogged or otherwise punished for holding to it, their numbers have grown and flourished, even as they were martyred. No other religion can say that to the degree that Christianity can. Christians have made mistakes and they have dark stains in parts of their history where they were not honestly or properly practising their faith.
Muhammadanism, on the other hand has a 1,324 year history that is one continuous black streak characterised by the most brutally violent, rapacious, genocidal, power hungry behavior in human history. No other single group comes close.
The Caliphs murdered and raped and drove the Jews and early Christians off of the Arabian peninsula. They overthrew Zoroastrian Persia within less than fifty years of Muhammad's death (Pig excrement be upon him) and began violently grinding to dust every aspect of that culture they did not care to assimilate. They have spent more than 800 of the last 1,300 years there.
They spent over 700 years doing the same and worse throughout large parts of India to the Hindi, Buddhist, and other competing religions. They desecrated women and temples alike in ways and to an extent that previous conquering forces had not chosen to do.
From the time of Charles Martel in the mid 700's until Suleiman outside Vienna in 1529, through Musafa's defeat in 1683, Muslims sought to conquer and overrun all of Europe. In between times, they were afflicting the Russian steppes, Ukraine, and the rest of Asia minor with varying degrees of political intrigues, infiltration, border incursions violated treaties, and assassinations.
In short, everywhere this abomination masquerading as a religion has gone, it has wrought destruction, suffering, degradation and ruin.
Every society they have seized control of has regressed in terms of its technological and economic development, perhaps not at the outset, but eventually, as Arabian cultural primacy under the cloak of Islam asserted itself. They have as a people, invented and pioneered virtually nothing of lasting value to humanity.
They have taken credit for a numeral system which was not theirs (hindu, not 'hindu-arabic') stolen gunpowder from the Chinese and cannons and guns from others. The litany goes on and on. Their sins have only known a limit when their armies have known defeat. They have only been willing to remain quiet and at peace when they lacked resources and sufficiency of numbers to make things otherwise.
In short, their behavior has been continually indefensible. G_d does indeed have many names, like Elohim, or "I AM" for example,or the unpronounceably Holy name of G_d, symbolised by the Tetragrammaton, YWH or JWH, often called 'Yaweh' or 'Jehovah' by the unknowing.
One of his names is NOT 'allah'. Never has been.
That name is a muhammadan corruption and contraction of 'al-uzza', one of several gods in the Arabian peninsular pantheistic religion practised by the traders, herders and marauders - mostly marauders.
Call G_d allah? What I am saying is unequivocally NO, Jesus does not approve!
G_d is most certainly NOT in all of us, though Christ does inhabit all those who honestly and earnestly invite Him in. No, Christ taught that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves - he told us to bless those who persecute us. Theology is not for amateurs, and you very clearly are one, so I advocate firmly that you stop preaching warm fuzzie feelgood religion to any of us until you have more than some vague clue just what you're talking about.
Muhammad was a liar, a paedophile, a murderer, a plagiarist, a blasphemer, and a false prophet who claimed that he himself was a greater prophet in stature and importance than Christ - without ever offering any proof that he was entitled to claim that office. Every other prophet in the Bible met the standards G_d set out among his priesthood. The messiah was prophesied throughout the Torah/Old Testament; muhammad was not. Muhammad said the Christian claim that Christ was crucified was false, and that G_d (allah) would never allow mankind to kill one of His prophets.
Never mind the fact that Christ was much more than just a prophet, His crucifixion was also very clearly and repeatedly foretold, and is central to G_d's plan of salvation. Muhammad's blasphemous claims pretended to contradict and undermine that fact. Muhammad and his false god were no allies of the one true G_d or his son Jesus Christ.
The world is violent and bloody and it will be until the muhammadan death-cult is eradicated. G_d and His Son will see to that.
Don't be an idiot, or a dhimmi, or a defender/apologist of a murderous profanity parading itself as a religion - one which does not itself offer any apologies for bad behaviour nor deserve any defense.
A.A.C.
Independent thinking (learn to spell, by the way)? D'oh-men boy couldn't syllogise his way out of a paper bag with written instructions.
God forbid you actually have enough synapses firing in proper sequence to investigate the facts which we offer up about the Phony Religion Of Peace. Wow, 1,324 years of history may have some actual object lessons to offer up. Can't be confronting an ignoramus with stuff so serious and unfeeling as all that! He - and obviously you as well - are the ones most sorely in need of enlightenment.
I saw not one real point in all his postings. You're batting ZERO thus far yourself...and we've been pitching such big fat softballs, too!
A.A.C.
>"he never said he wasn't religious, he said he wasn't Christian.
He seemed to have a good understanding of what Jesus taught though.
I'll tell you though, if you have something against spineless jellyfish, you might have a problem with You-Know-Who yourself as Jesus was the ultimate Pacisfist."<
He knew exactly squat about Jesus' teachings. As a student of Theology, dogma, Biblical hermeneutics, I can guarantee you his knowledge was no more than rudimentary and facile.
Jesus was no pacifist, but rather the only begotten Son of G_d on a missionof eternal importance, and in that statement you have revealed yourself once again as a poor speller, and simultaneously as not especially knowledgeable of Christ's teachings either.
A.A.C.
Amen brother!
>"You're wrong, we can do all that with the push of one button."<
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Thank you so much! That was absolutely magnificent!
Viva FReepland!
A.A.C.
"Ladies and gentlemen, Elvis has been forced out of the building!"
Anyone who says Jesus was a pacifist is an idiot. Turn the other cheek referred to quarrels among family and friends. He did not say to bare your throat to robbers and killers and tyrants. Luke 22, for example, the part about needing swords for the road journey. What for? A pacifist would never say "get some swords, sell your cloaks if you have to."
I agree. Silence would have been preferable at least until the Islamic world reciprocates, and honors the Bible and other religions texts. I guess it's not going to make the top of their list of priorities anytime soon especially if we're not going to push this issue on them.
Hey there Expat,
Thanks for the Ping!
Hope all is well.
:)
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