Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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RE: ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN
Now what?
Ray_in_aus, banned from TexasDarlin, posts (so I presume -- posters using the same handle) on AJ and Atlas. He today changed his reply style. I find his energetic -- almost spamming -- approach interesting. Talk about obsessive!
Of course, I'm just a pot talking about kettles.
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What I'd like to read is a press release from some organization saying how they are challenging Obama's qualifications in court.
>>>>What I’d like to read is a press release from some organization saying how they are challenging Obama’s qualifications in court.
Obama presented forged ID on his own electronically verified site. Wouldn’t ICE.gov be the ones that can investigate this? They even have a Cyber Crimes division. I would think this would fall under immigration (fake ID) and Wire Fraud.
Israel Insider just published a new piece on this- with techdude and Atlas Shrugs as backdrop here:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm
That is an excellent summary. I hope they clean it up though. They have paragraphs pasting in multiple times.
I hope we get sound bytes of the Israeli Insider asking the Obama camp about his fake ID. It will be a real hoot if the Toot is unable to reenter the US with forged credentials.
Also wouldn't the challenge be to putting the candidate on the November ballots? Primaries were a different thing -- not even sure if in them one was voting for the candidate, or just for the delegates to a political party's convention.
That is, he throws up issues that techdude hasn't mentioned, and ignores techdude's main points.
Also wouldn't the challenge be to putting the candidate on the November ballots? Primaries were a different thing -- not even sure if in them one was voting for the candidate, or just for the delegates to a political party's convention.
Good thing somebody is paying attention. The relief sought is an order to the state official who certifies election results to decertify the delegates previously certified as having been elected to the National Convention as McCain delegates.
The idea is that perhaps you could start a similar action to decertify delegates elected as Obama delegates to the Dem Convention. Pretty late to get real relief from that source.
I have previously speculated that the actions with respect to the McCain delegates were filed, not because plaintiff expected to get heard but to affect the Credentials process at the Republican National Convention.
The thrust of the McCain actions you see is that these delegates have been elected to vote for someone who is not eligible to hold the office, thereby wasting the state's franchise at the national convention.
After the election, a similar action might lie against those electors chosen to vote for a candidate.
Legal action to bring this to a head is likely to be tricky. Who has standing? At what point is there actionable harm to plaintiff with available legal relief--a case or controversy?
David,
I’ve reread your post several times, even with the understanding that you said McCain intead of Obama, and I still don’t understand what you are saying in regards to my suggestion of referring this to ICE.gov.
I have found AJStrata’s analysis of this entire issue to be meandering ...hard to follow. Further- he’s taken some VERY cheap and insulting shots at more than one fair-minded and sane conservative.
For some reason- he’s regarded as the last word in the minds of several people I know and respect.
I was perlexed when Andy McCarthy wrote the whole thing off on AJ’s word. It’s a conundrum like you said. AJ even suggested that you stop reading what he wrote a few paragraphs in! I was bored with it...didn’t see any counter to the analysis by Techdude. I admit what Techdude is doing is beyond my reach, but he manages to make it understandable. His analysis deserves attention.
During the course of my analysis several calls were made to various departments in the Hawaiian State Government in an attempt to better understand the process and procedures used to create, print, and distribute copies of the COLB form. While I was brushed off or hung up upon by almost all of the people I contacted I did manage to talk with a computer technician who was familiar with the computers and printers used by the Department of Health and the clerk’s offices…. When asked if he had seen the images on-line he replied that he had – and that there is “no way” they had printed something that looked like that which further backed up my conclusions.
I have NEVER done this before...but I sent links to Drudge and to Rush today. I didn’t want to assume that others would. It’s high time that this sees the light of day.
And lastly...NRO. That Andy McCarthy turnaround really ticked me off :-) I subscirbe!!!
Creative thought. But it will be viewed as a political issue and ICE is not likely to get involved. Private citizens don't have the power to initiate Immigration and Customs to engage in enforcement action--you would need to find someone there who wanted to do it and even then, political pressure is likely to impede action.
It's like the governor's election in Washington state four years ago--King County Elections prepared fraudulent ballots and kept preparing them until they had created enough to win with. Clear election fraud; a Republican US Attorney. No action.
It is not real obvious to this lawyer exactly how you would initiate a real legal proceeding to attack the issue--there are several theoretical possibilities. But in most cases, you are exposed to have the courts throw you out on the grounds that you don't have a controversy until he actually wins the election and at that point, Congress is the first judge of eligibility--and maybe the last.
Once installed in office, it would seem that any official act of office should open the door to challenge of validity or efficacy because he is not eligible to act. You would need to find a judge that would hear that kind of case; but you could start suit every time he signed legislation and do it in a different court until you found someone who would listen.
There is still a month before the convention.
>>>Creative thought. But it will be viewed as a political issue and ICE is not likely to get involved. Private citizens don’t have the power to initiate Immigration and Customs to engage in enforcement action—you would need to find someone there who wanted to do it and even then, political pressure is likely to impede action.
I strongly disagree. I worked a national campaign a few months ago that I had to bring ICE in on a matter. They didn’t see it as political at all with the material I brought to the table.
And this Obama issue is way beyond politics. This is a matter of National Security.
I’m sending the Israel Insider and the Atlas Shrugs links to my contact at ICE. If you are right and they don’t want to get involved, we have lost nothing trying.
>>>It is not real obvious to this lawyer exactly how you would initiate a real legal proceeding to attack the issue—there are several theoretical possibilities. But in most cases, you are exposed to have the courts throw you out on the grounds that you don’t have a controversy until he actually wins the election and at that point, Congress is the first judge of eligibility—and maybe the last.
You are speaking civil though. I’m not looking to play civil games. And why when we already pay for the federal departments with our tax dollars.
>>>Once installed in office, it would seem that any official act of office should open the door to challenge of validity or efficacy because he is not eligible to act.
It is way too dangerous to allow it to get to that point. We can’t allow an ineligible candidate to get nominated during a war.
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