Posted on 09/19/2004 12:21:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
Egg island is a flyspeck of land (0.2 square miles) at the end of a string of small islands extenting west from the northern end of Eleuthera Island in the Bahamas. Along with its near neighbor Royal Island, Egg was proposed as the landfall in 1981 by Arne B. Molander, a retired civil engineer. Molander has been a tireless advocate for his theory since, although his efforts so far have failed to convince anyone that the idea has merit.
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I thought Columbus landed in what is now Hispaniola in the Caribbean.
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Pickering seems to be sensitive to these issues (without seeming to mention them) as he has an entire page in which he discusses the Earth's magnetic field, judging at the end of that discussion that the Plana Cays location has been scientifically proved. And yet, the island doesn't come close to matching Columbus' description. :')Columbus Was A Latitude SailorThe extreme accuracy difference between LS and DR derives entirely from the ways compass errors are monitored because these navigation methods are otherwise identical on an east-west course. Either system would simply have accumulated the distances made good on each westerly heading. The DR pilot, however, might have detected compass variations by noting azimuth-angle deviations from Polaris, a measurement most easily made in the full darkness of midnight. In contrast, the LS pilot would have detected the integrated effect of compass variation by noting elevation-angle deviations of Polaris and the circumpolar stars, a measurement made during the brief twilight interval when the star and horizon are both visible. (Note that each of Columbus's three recorded compass checks occurred during either evening or morning twilights, as required by LS, rather than at the midnight preference for DR.)
by Arne B. Molander
Summer 1990
Encounters: A Quincentenary Review
Molander may be deceased, I'm not sure. In any case, he's often cruised the Caribbean, and compared Columbus' log with the actual currently available possibilities. I note "currently" because of the volcanic activity in the Caribbean, which could alter the landscape directly (eruption) or indirectly (tsunami).Cruising Guide to the Abacos and the Northern BahamasAdvocates of the Northern Route -- based on the premise that Columbus used latitude sailing to maintain a due west Atlantic crossing -- have long been held that Columbus left his first footprints on the beaches of Egg Island at the northwest corner of Eleuthera... [S]ail east-northeast from Harbour Island about six nights after a full moon. When you reach a location six miles east of Man Island at 2 a.m., the moon should be high enough to reflect off Eleuthera's surf, just as it did for Columbus' lookout 500 years off... coast cautiously along northern Eleuthera's reef into the Northeast Providence Channel. On your way you'll note three important landfall features unique to Eleuthera are Harbour Island's entrance, the shallows behind it, and the equally spaced triple cusps on the north coast of Royal Island. At first light you should keep an eye out for the same benthic (bottom-growing) seaweed Columbus "found in the gulf when he arrived at his discovery". There is no gulf at either Watlings or Samana Cay. When you reach the end of Eleuthera's reef shortly after dawn you will see Columbus's first lee anchorage opportunity southwest of Egg Island. Now you can begin following 30 features uniquely matching descriptions Columbus himself recorded in his Journal of Discovery.
by Arne B. Molander
Pelican Power
Revised: February 22, 2002
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State Plays Orwellian with Columbus
FrontPage Magazine ^ | 8/26/04 | Robert Spencer
Posted on 08/28/2004 3:13:16 PM PDT by wagglebee
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...more to come...Honoring historically hidden heroThere are even signs that the Icelanders' activities in the New World could have influenced Columbus' trip. Prior to his voyage, Columbus went to Bristol, England, a city that traded extensively with Iceland, and where stories of Ericson's journey could have circulated. Columbus also visited Iceland in 1477, and as Ambassador Hannibalsson says, "He couldn't have been there long, without being told the story of the discovery of America 477 years earlier (which he later claimed for himself)."
by Peter Brownfeld
Cavalier Daily Columnist
October 11, 1999
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Years ago I read Columbus's diaries, I don't remember much, but I seem to remember him speaking of number of inhabitants where they first landed. An island that is .2 square miles is very small and I question that it could sustain more than a handful of people. It would seem that the natives would have migrated to the larger Bahamanian islands. An island this small would not even have been able to accomodate Columbus's crew for one night.
I've actually been to Egg Island, about 20 years ago. I had no idea that it had been considered as Colombus first landfall.
However, the way I remember, if he was coming from the east, which he was, he would have had to see Eleuthera and Spanish Wells (St. George's Cay) first, and sailed past them to get to Egg Island. I better check this on a chart to see if memory serves me correctly.
It is small, but they were maritime people, so a small island could have accommodated more than a handful on a permanent basis. The ships themselves would have drawn a crowd from other islands. :')
Yeah, that seems a little odd. :')
http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/caribb/lgcolor/bscolor.htm
Another candidate?
http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/caribb/smallmap/newprov.gif
Bahamas Attractions:
Eleuthera
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/caribbean/bahamas/attractions.htm#eleuthera
"This slender wisp of an island has traditionally been the destination of choice for hobnobbing socialites, drawn here by chic club resorts and sands the delicate hue of Cristal Rosé. The mainland has declined in recent years. The happening scene is now the offshore cay of Harbour Island, one of the choicest places in The Bahamas, boasting Dunmore Town, a Loyalist village with 200-year-old architecture; Pink Sands Beach; and great diving and snorkelling. Eleuthera also offers scenic headlands and seascapes and interesting towns. Harbour Island lies just a few kilometres east of the northwestern tip of the mainland."
The Watling Island/Samana Cay debate is an interesting one. Back in the 1980's, National Geographic suggested (IIRC)Samana Cay and the Smithsonian proposed Watling. Could the shorelines of the islands have changed so much in five centuries that the "bays" no longer exist but once did?
Landfall Clues: MapsThe la Cosa map is also significant because it is the only existing map of the landfall drawn by any member of the first voyage. The map shows Guanahani, the landfall island, apparently as a small group of islets, lying roughly east-west. Guanahani is also shown as lying at the longitude of the Windward Passage, between Cuba and Hispaniola.
by Keith A. Pickering
Pickering's map:
http://www1.minn.net/~keithp/pictures/lfmap.gif
Nope. First he landed on a small island in the Bahamas.
Pickering's page on population:
http://www1.minn.net/~keithp/lclog4.htm
(alliteration ping)
Off topic, a bit, but why in the world did they draw that 3-d map with the cutout like they did? I'm thinking they sailed off the end of the world. . .
Probably to show the depth of the plant growth. Note also the blue arrow shown "in space" to indicate the direction of the current.
judging at the end of that discussion that the Plana Cays location has been scientifically proved.
I wouldn't say "proved"; just better supported by scientific evidence than other theories.
And yet, the island doesn't come close to matching Columbus' description. :')
Sure it does. In fact, every single island in the Bahamas comes close to matching CC's description: green, flat, surrounded by a reef, and with a large pond in the middle. Sounds very specific, until you actually try to rule out a Bahamaian island on that basis -- and find that you can't.
Molander may be deceased, I'm not sure.
Still alive, but quite infirm nowadays.
In any case, he's often cruised the Caribbean, and compared Columbus' log with the actual currently available possibilities.
As have Beecher, Morison, Roukema, Marden, Judge, Dunwoody, Peck, Verhoog, and many others -- who have reached no consensus.
I note "currently" because of the volcanic activity in the Caribbean, which could alter the landscape directly (eruption) or indirectly (tsunami).
No volcanic activity at all in the Bahamas. And although hurricanes and storms might affect some coastal features, such as beaches, there is one thing that remains constant even after 500 years: islands cannot move. Therefore, the most reliable indicators we have about the landfall are the distances and directions between islands (plus the lengths of coastlines) as reported by CC in his log. In evaluating these indicators, Egg Island does only average -- although where it fails, it fails miserably (distance to Cape Verde fix, distance from IV to I). Those theories that use Crooked/Acklins as Island II (Plana, Samana and Mayaguana) are way ahead of the pack.
judging at the end of that discussion that the Plana Cays location has been scientifically proved.
I wouldn't say "proved"; just better supported by scientific evidence than other theories.
And yet, the island doesn't come close to matching Columbus' description. :')
Sure it does. In fact, every single island in the Bahamas comes close to matching CC's description: green, flat, surrounded by a reef, and with a large pond in the middle. Sounds very specific, until you actually try to rule out a Bahamaian island on that basis -- and find that you can't.
Molander may be deceased, I'm not sure.
Still alive, but quite infirm nowadays.
In any case, he's often cruised the Caribbean, and compared Columbus' log with the actual currently available possibilities.
As have Beecher, Morison, Roukema, Marden, Judge, Dunwoody, Peck, Verhoog, and many others -- who have reached no consensus.
I note "currently" because of the volcanic activity in the Caribbean, which could alter the landscape directly (eruption) or indirectly (tsunami).
No volcanic activity at all in the Bahamas. And although hurricanes and storms might affect some coastal features, such as beaches, there is one thing that remains constant even after 500 years: islands cannot move. Therefore, the most reliable indicators we have about the landfall are the distances and directions between islands (plus the lengths of coastlines) as reported by CC in his log. In evaluating these indicators, Egg Island does only average -- although where it fails, it fails miserably (distance to Cape Verde fix, distance from IV to I). Those theories that use Crooked/Acklins as Island II (Plana, Samana and Mayaguana) are way ahead of the pack.
Wow! Hey, thanks for that. Imagine my surprise! Welcome to FreeRepublic!
Awesome!
All you would do is send him a private reply saying, "Add me to the list."
My mother doesn't have access to the Internet, so I read her some of SunkenCiv's articles once a week. (She's quite taken with Chinese history these days.)
Yes indeed. Ya just never know when a prominent guest might drop in on us here, eh? So SC, will you need to be recanting any of your, uh, catty remarks??? ;^)
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Hmm... Chinese, eh... ['Civ wanders off]
Fantastic! Welcome!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge on such an interesting subject.
Just adding my welcome to the others. My interests reside in the "gods" part of the thread. Never gave much thought to Columbus or where he first set foot. Nice to have experts check in to keep things interesting.
Great job attracting Pickering, if in fact you are responible. Just kidding.
10% of what: Electoral College (which even the 'Rats have figured out this year is the one needed to win) or popular vote?
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Christophoros Columbus: A Byzantine Prince from Chios, Greece
Posted by Destro
On General/Chat 08/05/2004 5:48:37 PM PDT · 12 replies · 140+ views
grecoreport.com | 1982 | Ruth G. Durlacher-Wolper
Christophoros Columbus: A Byzantine Prince from Chios, Greece, by Ruth G. Durlacher-WolperCover of the book by Ruth G. Durlacher-Wolper. Over 500 years ago, Admiral Christophoros Columbus stepped upon the soil of San Salvador Island, Bahamas, in the New World, with the banner of the Royal Standard of Spain flying in all its glory. The captains of La Nina and La Pinta followed him off the La Santa Maria, carrying the banners of the Green Cross. Behind them came the weary crew -- men whose faith had weakened during the hard journey, but who had had their faith revived time and...
DNA Results Could ID Columbus
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On News/Activism 01/22/2004 8:15:04 AM PST · 3 replies · 10+ views
Discovery.com | 1-22-2004 | Rossella Lorenzi
DNA Results Could ID Columbus By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News Columbus' Remains Jan. 21, 2004 -- The long-standing cultural dispute over Christopher Columbus' final resting place could take a new turn as further DNA tests are carried out by an Italian university. DNA technology will be applied by the University of Pavia's laboratories to fragments of bones now kept in a box in the university's library. The remains come from Santo Domingo, one of Columbus' debated burial places. "They were given by the bishop of Santo Domingo to Pavia University in 1880, as it was thought that Columbus studied here....
Italian Skeletons Reveal Old World Diseases
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On News/Activism 04/13/2004 5:22:18 PM PDT · 28 replies · 5+ views
Discovery News | 4-13-2004 | Rossella Lorenzi
Italian Skeletons Reveal Old World Diseases By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News Columbus: Syphilis Spreader? April 12, 2004 -- Researchers investigating Italian cemeteries have found further evidence to confirm that syphilis and rheumatoid arthritis plagued the Americas long before the arrival of Columbus. Involving various sites throughout Italy, the study examined 688 skeletons dating from the Bronze Age to the Black Plague epidemic of 1485-1486. The remains were investigated for the presence of bony alterations characteristic of rheumatoid arthritis, gout, spondyloarthropathy and syphilis-causing organisms, called treponemes. Indeed, syphilis is known to scar and deform bones. Legend holds that Columbus and his...
Reputed Columbus Remains in Spain Exhumed
Posted by NormsRevenge
On News/Activism 06/02/2003 7:15:01 PM PDT · 12 replies · 37+ views
Yahoo News! | 6/2/03 | Ciaran Giles - AP
Reputed Columbus Remains in Spain Exhumed By CIARAN GILES, Associated Press Writer MADRID, Spain - A chest containing the supposed remains of Christopher Columbus was exhumed Monday for DNA and other tests to determine whether the bones are really those of the famed explorer. The test aims to settle a long debate over where Colombus is buried: in Spain's Seville Cathedral or in a sprawling monument in the Dominican Republic's capital, Santo Domingo. In the presence of two descendants of Columbus -- Jaime and Anunicada Colon de Carvajal -- researchers removed two boxes from an ornate tomb at the cathedral...
Ship confirmed as one used by Christopher Columbus
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On News/Activism 05/02/2002 8:29:21 AM PDT · 9 replies · 6+ views
Ananova | 5/02/02 | staff
Experts are confident a ship found off the Panama coast did belong to Christopher Columbus. After six months of research, scientists and archaeologists are sure the ship was used on his last trip to America. It was found 155 miles east of Panama City. Director of the National Culture Institute of Panama, Rafael Ruiloba, told the Clarin newspaper: "There is now sufficient evidence that this is La Vizcaina." Researchers have learned the ship was made with the same material and using the same process used at the end of the 15th century. It also coincides with the historic description of...
Was Columbus Greek?
Posted by Destro
On News/Activism 12/23/2002 9:33:24 AM PST · 37 replies · 52+ views
greecetravel.com | 2003 | Matt Barrett
Was Columbus Greek?Was Columbus a woolworker from Genoa or a Byzantine Prince and sailor from the island of Chios in what was then the Republic of Genoa? The ferry that sails between the island of Lesvos and Athens port city of Pireaus stops at the island of Chios, a few miles off the coast of Asia Minor. If you are traveling from Athens it arrives at four a.m. and unless you are awakened by the change in the rhythm of the ship's engines as it slows down and backs into the quay you won't even know you have been there....
Young Bones Lay Columbus Myth To Rest
Posted by blam
On News/Activism 08/12/2004 8:16:56 AM PDT · 17 replies · 864+ views
The Guardian (UK) | 8-11-2004 | Giles Tremlett
Young bones lay Columbus myth to rest Giles Tremlett in Madrid Wednesday August 11, 2004 The Guardian (UK) A centuries-old historical row over the whereabouts of the body of Christopher Columbus appeared to have been solved yesterday when scientists in Spain conceded that the corpse buried at Seville's gothic Santa Maria cathedral was not that of the famous explorer. Instead, the bones they studied were probably those of his lesser known son, Diego, who was a small and weedy man, unlike his father. Christopher Columbus's body, the experts say, almost certainly lies back in the "new world" he sailed to...
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The Transatlantic Tracks of Columbus
by Keith A. Pickering
A lecture to the Society for the History of Discoveries
Cody, Wyoming
September 11, 2004
http://www.columbusnavigation.com/shd2004.shtml
Weighing the Columbus Cargo
The Washington Times | October 10, 2005 | Edward Hudgins
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