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LATIN 1: THE EASY WAY
Cherryh website ^ | 1999 | C.J. Cherryh

Posted on 09/25/2004 12:02:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

I used to teach this subject. I use a method that's a little different than the standard, a method aimed at results, not tradition, and no need to learn grammar at the outset, when you've got enough new things to learn. If you learned by the traditional method you may find this radically different; but trust me.

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1 posted on 09/25/2004 12:02:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 2Jedismom; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
I haven't tried it.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
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2 posted on 09/25/2004 12:02:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

Took four years of Latin,taught the old fashioned way.:-)


3 posted on 09/25/2004 12:05:56 AM PDT by nopardons
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4 posted on 09/25/2004 12:06:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: nopardons

Salve! ;')


5 posted on 09/25/2004 12:28:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

And a BIG "HI" right back at ya. :-)


6 posted on 09/25/2004 12:32:24 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: SunkenCiv

I love this! Thank you! I always wanted to learn Latin but was daunted. How much easier it is to learn things when they are explained in a clear and logical way.


7 posted on 09/25/2004 7:46:03 AM PDT by Capriole
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To: SunkenCiv

I took 4 years of Latin and consider it one of the few good decisions I made during my high school years, LOL! I like reviewing periodically so I will definitely check this out. Thanks!


8 posted on 09/25/2004 9:01:34 AM PDT by meowmeow (We are all Buckhead!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Neat site -- thanks!

NOw I have to go do some class work


9 posted on 09/25/2004 9:04:25 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (<font type=1972 IBM>I <change typeballs>am<change typeballs> Buckhead)
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To: SunkenCiv; Constitution Day
De clunibus magnis amandis oratio
10 posted on 09/25/2004 10:02:53 AM PDT by martin_fierro ('n'at.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Romanes eunt domus ....
11 posted on 09/25/2004 10:06:35 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
Romanes eunt domus ....

Who you callin' a eunt???

12 posted on 09/25/2004 10:08:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz
[A Roman CENTURION notices BRian writing a slogan Romanes Eunt Domus on a wall]
CENTURION: What's this, then? 'Romanes Eunt Domus'? 'People called Romanes they go the house'?
BRIAN: It-- it says, 'Romans, go home'.
CENTURION: No, it doesn't. What's Latin for 'Roman'? Come on!
BRIAN: Aah!
CENTURION: Come on!
BRIAN: 'R-- Romanus'?
CENTURION: Goes like...?
BRIAN: 'Annus'?
CENTURION: Vocative plural of 'annus' is...?
BRIAN: Eh. 'Anni'?
CENTURION: 'Romani'. 'Eunt'? What is 'eunt'?
BRIAN: 'Go'. Let--
CENTURION: Conjugate the verb 'to go'.
BRIAN: Uh. 'Ire'. Uh, 'eo'. 'Is'. 'It'. 'Imus'. 'Itis'. 'Eunt'.
CENTURION: So 'eunt' is...?
BRIAN: Ah, huh, third person plural, uh, present indicative. Uh, 'they go'.
CENTURION: But 'Romans, go home' is an order, so you must use the...?
BRIAN: The... imperative!
CENTURION: Which is...?
BRIAN: Umm! Oh. Oh. Um, 'i'. 'I'!
CENTURION: How many Romans?
BRIAN: Ah! 'I'-- Plural. Plural. 'Ite'. 'Ite'.
CENTURION: 'Ite'.
BRIAN: Ah. Eh.
CENTURION: 'Domus'?
BRIAN: Eh.
CENTURION: Nominative?
BRIAN: Oh.
CENTURION: 'Go home'? This is motion towards. Isn't it, boy?
BRIAN: Ah. Ah, dative, sir! Ahh! No, not dative! Not the dative, sir! No! Ah! Oh, the... accusative! Accusative! Ah! 'Domum', sir! 'Ad domum'! Ah! Oooh! Ah!
CENTURION: Except that 'domus' takes the...?
BRIAN: The locative, sir!
CENTURION: Which is...?!
BRIAN: 'Domum'.
CENTURION: 'Domum'.
BRIAN: Aaah! Ah.
CENTURION: 'Um'. Understand?
BRIAN: Yes, sir.
CENTURION: Now, write it out a hundred times.
[Brian proceeds to write out Romani ite Domum 100 times]
13 posted on 09/25/2004 10:08:56 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

LOL! I remember that.


14 posted on 09/25/2004 10:11:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: SunkenCiv

Four years of Latin in high school and years of classical (and Modern) Greek...the best top down decision my parents ever made for me.


15 posted on 09/25/2004 11:50:24 AM PDT by eleni121 (Free Panos' Restaurant! Tear down the rathole next door!)
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To: eleni121

Two years of Latin then dropped like the worthless dead language it is. Worst top down discision my parents ever made for me.


16 posted on 09/25/2004 11:53:11 AM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: SunkenCiv; RadioAstronomer; RightWingAtheist
I've been trying to learn Latin by reading through some of the dual-language Loeb Classical Library volumes. It's heavy weather; it makes a sort of sense after a while, but I couldn't write in Latin to save my life.

I'm a huge fan of Cherryh's writing--one of my prized possessions is a signed 1st edition of Cyteen--so I know this site will be good. Thanks for the link.

18 posted on 09/25/2004 4:49:03 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Capriole; meowmeow; freedumb2003; Physicist

you're most welcome!


19 posted on 09/25/2004 5:18:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
I took two years of high school Latin from 1945-1947. I knew more Latin than my younger daughter when she graduated with four years of Latin in 1996.
Bravo for modern education.
20 posted on 09/25/2004 7:21:24 PM PDT by curmudgeonII (If you listen you can hear the sound of the train that Kerry missed.)
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To: SunkenCiv

pingus-i-o-um-o...or is it pingum-i-o-um-o?...or---no...


21 posted on 09/25/2004 8:25:12 PM PDT by Graymatter (Reload Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: curmudgeonII; Graymatter

;'D


22 posted on 09/25/2004 8:34:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
SC, you're a treasure!

I've always wanted to learn more Latin -- I'm limited to the few phrases I learned in Catholic school -- and this will be a great help. Thanks for the article.

23 posted on 09/25/2004 8:58:58 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: Physicist

Thanks for the ping. :-)

(and the author recommendation)


24 posted on 09/26/2004 9:01:23 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: reformed_democrat
:') Thanks!
25 posted on 09/26/2004 9:39:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Physicist
I like his site. There's also this one that allows you to download FREE Greek & Latin books (most from 1800's, early 1900's): www.Textkit.com
26 posted on 09/28/2004 5:47:18 PM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I like his site.

Her site.


27 posted on 09/28/2004 7:15:58 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist

Dang! I never knew C. J. stood for "Carolyn Janice"!


28 posted on 09/28/2004 7:19:47 PM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

It's a tradition among female science fiction writers to adopt such ambiguious pen names as "C.L Moore," "Andre Norton", and of course, "James Tiptree". Leigh Brackett's real name, however, was Leigh Brackett.


29 posted on 09/28/2004 7:59:01 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (<A HREF=http://www.michaelmoore.com>disingenuous filmmaker</A>)
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To: SunkenCiv

The course seems fun, but I get tiny squares for some of the letters. Not all, but some.


30 posted on 09/29/2004 6:31:24 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Huh... maybe a font problem? It's lookin' fine here. If Cherryh is using some kind of font that your home system doesn't have, it'll substitute a different font, and the substitute may not have any character assigned for that ASCII code.

Anyway, here's the direct links (Cherryh changes filename styles):

http://www.cherryh.com/www/latin1.htm
http://www.cherryh.com/www/latin2.htm
http://www.cherryh.com/www/latin3.htm
http://www.cherryh.com/www/latin4.htm
http://www.cherryh.com/www/latin%205.htm
http://www.cherryh.com/www/latin%206.htm
http://www.cherryh.com/www/latin%207.htm
http://www.cherryh.com/www/latin%208.htm
http://www.cherryh.com/www/latin9.htm
http://www.cherryh.com/www/Latin_10.htm


31 posted on 09/29/2004 7:04:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
Eheu! This is fun. I'm actually doing it. Came upon a stumbling block.

1. An Brutus Caesarem occidit? Is Brutus killing Caesar?

2. An Caesarem Brutus occidit? Is Brutus killing Caesar?

Why isn't the second one, Is Caesar killing Brutus?

32 posted on 09/29/2004 7:04:23 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

Chicks. ;')


33 posted on 09/29/2004 7:06:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

It has to do with the suffixes... She's showing that word order isn't always as important as it is in English. Or should I say, order always word as is important English not it is as in.


34 posted on 09/29/2004 7:07:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: curmudgeonII

I'm not surprised. I took Latin in HS for 2 years. The first year was instructive. The second year, after the teacher from the first year died, we had a batty old lady who -- no joke -- was barely north of a nervous breakdown. I don't know if she had had a stroke or just wasn't very bright (not good for a teacher). Anyway, I learned less Latin that second year than in the first 3 days of the previous year. Needless to say, I pretty much took the year off but still made a good grade.

In college, I needed 4 semesters, and a local college offered all 14 hours of a language during a summer "intensive" program. The only two classes offered were Latin and Portuguese. I would have taken Spanish if offered, but decided against Port. and still had to take the class. Turns out the Prof was a little laid back. Smart, and knew the material well, but the class was supposed to run 8-12. He arrived at about 8:10 at the earliest. By about the third week, I started getting there at 8:30 to his greeting of, "good morning __, how's it going", and it wasn't scarcastic. We'd take a break about 9:20 that lasted at least 45 minutes, then knock it off between 11:00 and 11:15 just about every day. It was a 5 day a week class, but he went out of town most Fridays. We met maybe the first 3 weeks full time, and that's it.

The class wasn't easy, but it wasn't hard and there wasn't much of it. I know very little Latin now, but I can't say that's anyone's fault but my own. All in all, college language training sucks. I've since taken a Spanish class and they are all worthless. Instead of learning to speak the language first and then getting into grammer (kinda like we all learned our native language), they try to do it all at once. Pimsleur style tapes with 5 days a week class sessions doing nothing but speaking the language would teach students faster than any other method I'm aware of.


35 posted on 09/29/2004 7:14:44 PM PDT by 1L
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Because it's an inflected language. The word endings indicate case, not the order. In Brutus, the ending "us" indicates the nominitive (subject), not the accusative (direct object).
36 posted on 09/29/2004 7:15:54 PM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: SunkenCiv

Makes sense, but I'm dense. Even read a few of her books. Her method of teaching Latin is easier.


37 posted on 09/29/2004 7:18:04 PM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: SunkenCiv

I still don't get that one. It looks like it should be: Is Caesar killing Brutus? It's actor/actee/action with a question in front of the name Caesarem.


38 posted on 09/29/2004 7:18:31 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

Ah! OK, I got it now. Thanks!


39 posted on 09/29/2004 7:20:15 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the link!


40 posted on 09/29/2004 7:21:52 PM PDT by P.O.E. (John Kerry: The" you're rubber and I'm glue" candidate.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I got everything but the short story in Latin. It wasn't there.


41 posted on 09/29/2004 7:22:31 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: SunkenCiv

puer, puella.


42 posted on 09/29/2004 7:27:50 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Inflected languages are easier for children. Fixed word order is easier for adults. By changing the standard order of the words Latin can emphasize certain words without adding anything else.

About 10K words in our language are derived from Latin. It's all stems and endings. Verbs are similiar to nouns. "To hear" is audîre. "I hear" in Latin is expressed as "hear I", or "audiô. "You (singular) hear" is "audîs, "He/She/It hears" is "audit". Plural of these are "audîmus" (we hear), "audîtis (you hear), and "audiunt".

43 posted on 09/29/2004 7:33:35 PM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; SunkenCiv; All
BTW, here's an excellent Latin translator.
44 posted on 09/29/2004 7:37:23 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: SunkenCiv

good post


45 posted on 09/29/2004 7:42:34 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Excellent. You can also sign up for vocabulary by email here. If you're serious about learning, this site also has a contest to win assorted Latin/Greek books.
46 posted on 09/29/2004 7:44:44 PM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: SunkenCiv

I remember, years ago, when Compuserve was first new...corresponding with C. J. in the Sci-Fi areas. On a 300 baud modem. What fun. 72327,120 was my user number. Funny the things you never forget.


47 posted on 09/29/2004 7:50:46 PM PDT by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

That sounds like fun. I'm already getting the OED word-of-the-day. If they would just lower the yearly price, I'd sign on (so would thousands of others). Why don't companies understand that when you drop the price, you get more people buying? Maybe they WANT to keep it expensive and exclusive.


48 posted on 09/29/2004 8:15:52 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
OED word-of-the-day

Color me clueless. Oxford English? If so, very expensive. Like I said earlier, about 10K of English words are derived from Latin. One book I read stated that a basic vocabulary of 1000 Latin words was HUGH. Textkit's vocabulary service is FREE, and you can get as many words a day as you'd like, as well as on-line reviews/tests to see how you're doing. I've seen another site that has a on-demand vocabulary test as well.

49 posted on 09/30/2004 5:20:21 AM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts
On a 300 baud modem. What fun.

Mrs. "Bloody Sam" Roberts? ;o) I remember folks standing in line to access one of the 2 1200 baud modems, and tables of 300's sitting idle. String and cans would have been faster.

50 posted on 09/30/2004 5:24:07 AM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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