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New evidence for the Moon's soft middle
New Scientist ^ | 14 February 2002 | Will Knight

Posted on 12/27/2004 2:29:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv

New calculations that indicate how the Moon's surface and interior react to the gravitational pull of the Earth and the Sun have produced further evidence that molten "slush" exists beneath the lunar surface... The first evidence of a soft region near the Moon's core was found using seismological equipment placed at different places on the surface during the Apollo missions. These found that moonquakes lost their energy when they traveled further than 1,000 kilometers below the Moon's surface. Since 1977, when these measurements ended, there has been no further evidence.

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; lunarcapture; lunarorigin; moon; space; themoon
It's brie.

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1 posted on 12/27/2004 2:29:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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from 2002, so nearly three years old, but I found nothing on FR about it, so...
2 posted on 12/27/2004 2:30:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (There's nothing new under the Sun. That accounts for the many quotes used as taglines.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought the moon was hollow???? Don't the aliens hide there??


3 posted on 12/27/2004 2:30:43 PM PST by Bush_Democrat (Now EX-Democrat)
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To: SunkenCiv

Crunchy on the outside! Chewy on the inside!


4 posted on 12/27/2004 2:31:39 PM PST by ScottFromSpokane (We're none of us prefect.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The French have never been to the moon, ergo, it cannot be brie. It must be genuine processed American cheese food product.


5 posted on 12/27/2004 2:33:19 PM PST by pipecorp (All we have to do is decide what to do with the time we are given.)
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To: Bush_Democrat
Hollow Moon Theory
6 posted on 12/27/2004 2:33:50 PM PST by Bush_Democrat (Now EX-Democrat)
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Scientist: Asteroid May Hit Earth in 2029
Yahoo/AP ^ | 12/23/04 | JOHN ANTCZAK
Posted on 12/23/2004 8:24:16 PM PST by hole_n_one
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1307719/posts


7 posted on 12/27/2004 2:47:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (risk of impact, 2004 MN4, http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2004mn4.html)
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To: shaggy eel

hey shagster! they're ON to us again!
no kiddin'. even SunkenCiv is suspicious. he says it's BRIE. now how in the hell did he know THAT!?? Camembert is sorta like brie...right?

ok, ok...it was a good idea at the time..."the best place to hide something is in plain sight"....but you know...now that i think about it....my grandfather always did say that Sherlock guy he worked for was always covering up for Moriarty figuring out where he hid his secret stuff...which when it includes all those "extra" Christmas smoked gooses grand-dad charged to ol' Ebenezer's account at the butcher's, well...that gets personal!

so, we'd better get busy and move the cheese again.

freepmail me back when you get this. I am already gassing-up the ship. man...i mean eel...when will it end?!! can't an eel and dog make an ho...uh...a living around here?

what a world.


8 posted on 12/27/2004 2:49:30 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("The sword is not the cause of murder, and there is no sin upon him who made it.")
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To: SunkenCiv

It's oowy-goowy, rich and creamy inside,
Golden-flakey, extra-cakey outside,
Turn the inside to the outside, it's a good darn toot'in'
It's a big......Fig.........Newton.......!

( or.....errr..... something like that........ )


9 posted on 12/27/2004 5:26:31 PM PST by austinmark (*Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups.*)
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To: austinmark

I loved that, particularly when he sings, "here comes the tricky part" and stands on one leg. :') Back to "McClintock"...


10 posted on 12/27/2004 6:39:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (risk of impact, 2004 MN4, http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2004mn4.html)
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To: Bush_Democrat

Those alien b******s! Get out of our Moon!!!


11 posted on 12/27/2004 6:40:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (risk of impact, 2004 MN4, http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2004mn4.html)
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To: SunkenCiv

12 posted on 12/27/2004 6:42:02 PM PST by Petronski (Don't ask me about my pneumonia...it's making me very cranky.)
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To: PoorMuttly

HEY!!! Who Moved My Cheese!!!!!!!


13 posted on 12/27/2004 6:59:20 PM PST by Bush_Democrat (Now EX-Democrat)
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To: Bush_Democrat

I don't know.

It was like that when I got there.

[slinks behind birdbath...]


14 posted on 12/27/2004 7:01:48 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("The sword is not the cause of murder, and there is no sin upon him who made it.")
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To: PoorMuttly

Would anyone here like to know how this "cheesy" moon of ours was actually taffy-pulled 4.4 billion years ago during the formation of our earth-moon system?


15 posted on 12/27/2004 9:12:28 PM PST by timer
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To: timer

Y' mean it's really OUR cheese, and now it's our Extra Cheese...?


16 posted on 12/28/2004 11:24:25 AM PST by PoorMuttly ("The sword is not the cause of murder, and there is no sin upon him who made it.")
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To: PoorMuttly

Yes, the extra "cheese" on the cheeseburger is the proto-earth's ring system that was perturbed(dropped)out of orbit 4.4 billion years ago by the newly captured moon; that layer of hydrate-rich planetisimals/wet gravel eventually became, after 500,000,000 years of tectonic massaging, our oceans and lightweight continents; and we're part of the "mice" that nibble on it. The moon and earth surfaces have the same isotope ratios in the refractory elements, but the planetisimals that impacted the moon were FRIED and so the volatiles(H2O, NH3, etc)were boiled off the lunar surface which was griddle-HOT during this bull-in-a-china-shop period. Wanna know how the moon was taffy-pulled-captured? That's an interesting story in itself(it WASN'T impact-splash). And speaking of CHEESE, my mouse traps with cheese-bait are doing a land office business these winter-soltice days : about one "customer" a day...


17 posted on 12/28/2004 5:10:32 PM PST by timer
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL !......And I thought I was the ONLY one who remembered the guy in the Fig Suit doing some sort of a "hokey-pokey" dance....LOL !


18 posted on 12/28/2004 5:58:30 PM PST by austinmark (*Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups.*)
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To: austinmark

http://www.momsview.com/discus/messages/41/21352.html

By Kathym on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 02:18 pm:

How about the fig newton song? The Big Fig Newton!!

Golden cakey rich and flaky outside
Rich and gooey nice and chewy inside
Wrap the outside on the inside
Is it good? Darn tootin!
It's the big fig newton!
One more time.
It's the big fig newton!

[she forgot the "Here comes the tricky part/the big fig newton!" after the first chorus]


19 posted on 12/28/2004 6:04:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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To: SunkenCiv

THANK GOD !

After all these years..... I thought it was a Reoccurring Bad dream, brought on by ONE of my mom's "mystery meat" stews, back when I was 7 yrs. old .......... Whew......


20 posted on 12/28/2004 6:19:58 PM PST by austinmark (*Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups.*)
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To: timer

Muttly's planetisimals were almost fried once....and he is pretty sure his refractory elements had isotope ratios in them too, but after 500,000,000 years of tectonic massaging, he got better.

Hey, am I going to get in trouble for posting this ?


21 posted on 12/28/2004 6:30:06 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("The sword is not the cause of murder, and there is no sin upon him who made it.")
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To: PoorMuttly

does *this* answer your question?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1309803/posts?page=16#16


22 posted on 12/28/2004 6:45:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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related topics:

In the shadow of the Moon
New Scientist ^ | 30 January 1999 | editors
Posted on 08/31/2004 8:42:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1203912/posts

When the Days Were Shorter
Alaska Science Forum (Article #742) ^ | November 11, 1985 | Larry Gedney
Posted on 10/04/2004 10:31:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1234919/posts


23 posted on 12/28/2004 6:47:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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To: PoorMuttly

HaHa; Well, after 500,000,000 years worth of massaging of your "planetisimals" and "isotopes" you would either be in eternal bliss, or completely massaged away... Anyway, I don't think you would really get what is a serious astronomical theory of earth-moon formation, science is obviously not your basic language, it would be "above" you...


24 posted on 12/28/2004 8:33:23 PM PST by timer
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To: FairOpinion

hey, consider yourself pinged. :')


25 posted on 12/30/2004 9:54:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The nice thing about Moslem civil wars? Everybody wins.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks!

But when you post old articles one wonders what is the latest update on it.


26 posted on 12/30/2004 10:08:33 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought it was more like a malted milk ball, but apparently it's a milk dud!


27 posted on 12/30/2004 10:16:22 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: FairOpinion

I didn't find anything new (so far):

Lunar Love Numbers And The Deep Lunar Interior
J. G. Williams, D. H. Boggs, J. T. Ratcliff and J. O. Dickey
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2002/pdf/2033.pdf

To bring the model values of the Love number k 2 up to the two observationally determined values of about 0.026 it is necessary to either decrease the middle mantle speeds from those models and Nakamura's analysis, or to make the attenuation zone a low velocity layer, or to increase core radius above presently accepted sizes. The uncertainty of the observationally determined values is still about 10% which is uncomfortably large compared to the differences from models, but there are two independent and concordant determinations and all model values are less. There is need for improved uncertainty in the determinations and the lunar interior models may need to become more complex.

Influence Of A Fluid Lunar Core On The Moon’s Orientation
J. G. Williams, D. H. Boggs, J. T. Ratcliff, C. F. Yoder and J. O. Dickey
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2001/pdf/2028.pdf

A molten lunar core will affect the Moon's rotation through two torques. A fluid core, rotating independently from the solid mantle, has a velocity difference at the core-mantle interface. The velocity difference causes a force, dissipates energy, and leads to a net torque over the whole surface. If the core-mantle boundary is oblate, there will be a second force due to flow along a nonspherical boundary. This torque depends on the orientation of the core spin vector with respect to the mantle pole. The two torques have different directions and their influences on the rotation are distinguishable in principle.


28 posted on 12/31/2004 9:21:42 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The nice thing about Moslem civil wars? Everybody wins.)
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lunar core mantle williams
Scirus Search
lunar core mantle
Scirus Search

29 posted on 12/31/2004 9:59:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The nice thing about Moslem civil wars? Everybody wins.)
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bttt
30 posted on 01/31/2005 11:03:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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New evidence for the Moon's soft middle
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Posted on 12/27/2004 2:29:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1309193/posts

Scientific maverick's theory on Earth's core up for a test
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Posted on 12/05/2004 11:17:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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Scientists Find That Saturn's Rotation Period Is A Puzzle
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31 posted on 08/20/2005 6:07:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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Measurements of the
lunar induced magnetic moment
in the geomagnetic tail:
Evidence for a lunar core?

C. T. Russell,
P. J. Coleman Jr.,
and B. E. Goldstein
Space Research XVI
pp. 933-939
1976
Our reanalysis has not changed the G-factor but it has apparently changed the accuracy of its determinations. We would not expect a G-factor of zero if the moon had no core because of the paramagnetism of the crust. In fact, reasonable coreless moon G-factors range up to 0.012 (Goldstein et al., 1976a,b). This positive value is significantly different from our negative moment. Thus, our measurements provide evidence that the moon has a significant induced magnetic dipole moment. This moment is most likely due to currents deep in the interior of the moon in a highly conducting mantle or on the surface of a lunar core. The size required for any such core depends on the permeability of the lunar crust which in turn depends on the iron content. The minimum core radius of 435 + 15 km would occur for a moon with no crustal free iron. If there is free iron in the lunar crust then radius of any core could be still larger... The seismic data of Latham et al. (1978) also are consistent with somewhat smaller (molten) core ( 360 km) but do not prove it. In short, all three deep lunar sounding techniques are consistent with some sort of small lunar core, but none can be interpreted as unambiguous proof of its existence. Magnetic sounding suggests a "core" of enhanced conductivity; gravity data are consistent with a core of enhanced density, and the seismic data are consistent with a molten core.

32 posted on 03/23/2006 10:02:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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Catastrophism

33 posted on 03/26/2006 8:07:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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Catastrophism
 
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34 posted on 05/26/2011 7:28:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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