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Black Pharaohs
National Geographic ^ | February 2008 | Robert Draper

Posted on 01/21/2008 11:49:03 AM PST by SunkenCiv

In the year 730 B.C., a man by the name of Piye decided the only way to save Egypt from itself was to invade it... North on the Nile River his soldiers sailed. At Thebes, the capital of Upper Egypt, they disembarked. Believing there was a proper way to wage holy wars, Piye instructed his soldiers to purify themselves before combat by bathing in the Nile, dressing themselves in fine linen, and sprinkling their bodies with water from the temple at Karnak, a site holy to the ram-headed sun god Amun, whom Piye identified as his own personal deity. Piye himself feasted and offered sacrifices to Amun. Thus sanctified, the commander and his men commenced to do battle with every army in their path. By the end of a yearlong campaign, every leader in Egypt had capitulated -- including the powerful delta warlord Tefnakht... He loaded up his army and his war booty, and sailed southward to his home in Nubia, never to return to Egypt again. When Piye died at the end of his 35-year reign in 715 B.C., his subjects honored his wishes by burying him in an Egyptian-style pyramid, with four of his beloved horses nearby.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 25thdynasty; afrocentricity; afrocentrism; blackpharaohs; blacksparkwhitefire; centuriesofdarkness; ethiopiandynasty; godsgravesglyphs; memnon; nikoskokkinos; nubiandynasty; peterjames; richardpoe; robertmorkot
For the record -- Piye conquered Egypt because he saw the opportunity to do so, not to "save Egypt from itself".
1 posted on 01/21/2008 11:49:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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Rare Nubian King Statues Uncovered in Sudan
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Tutankhamun was not black: Egypt antiquities chief
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Hatshepsut mummy found
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Unearthing Egypt’s Greatest Temple
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2 posted on 01/21/2008 11:52:21 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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3 posted on 01/21/2008 11:53:36 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

good one!


4 posted on 01/21/2008 11:54:46 AM PST by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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The Black Pharaohs The Black Pharaohs:
Egypt's Nubian Rulers

by Robert G. Morkot

paperback
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5 posted on 01/21/2008 11:57:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: ken21

Thanks!


6 posted on 01/21/2008 11:57:36 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

The ancient world was devoid of racism. At the time of Piye’s historic conquest, the fact that his skin was dark was irrelevant. Artwork from ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome shows a clear awareness of racial features and skin tone, but there is little evidence that darker skin was seen as a sign of inferiority. Only after the European powers colonized Africa in the 19th century did Western scholars pay attention to the color of the Nubians’ skin, to uncharitable effect.


yep........................


7 posted on 01/21/2008 12:15:47 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

The Archaeoblogger (which is where I picked up the link, I think, unless it was on the Archaeology mag website) said something similar, and I agree with both of you.

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6369349&postID=2313029797959435862


8 posted on 01/21/2008 12:28:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: PeterPrinciple

And there was no slavery in the ancient world. It was just that the check for those wages was lost in the mail...


9 posted on 01/21/2008 12:28:27 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SunkenCiv

I discontinued my Nat’l Geo subscription several years ago.

Which is a shame, as it used to be a good read back before they took on a hard green agenda.


10 posted on 01/21/2008 12:31:38 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SunkenCiv

Actually their leader was Sam the Shan.

I know because Mattie told Hattie.

Wooly Bully!


11 posted on 01/21/2008 12:37:23 PM PST by wildbill
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To: SunkenCiv
I am not surprised if there were Black pharoahs in Egypt. Tell the truth, Ancient Egyptians look like mixed race people, mostly Black and White.

Speaking of that, I have read that there were Black Chinese emperors, around the Shang Dynasty. Many ancient civilizations were diverse. Ancient Rome and China were very diverse. There are Black people in Asia, mostly in the southern part. One of them is called Negritos. Also, there is another tribe in the Andaman Islands of Indian Ocean, which look like African Bushman and Hottentots.
12 posted on 01/21/2008 12:38:54 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Bunnies=Sodomites)
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To: PeterPrinciple

The ancient world was violently ethnocentric (in multiple directions). Everybody thought his own group was superior and should dominate everybody else.

But there was little or no connecting of this idea to skin color as an especially important factor. No idea of “race” in the modern sense. And especially there was no concept that one race was “supposed” to be enslaved to another. Slavery in the ancient world had little connection to ethnicity at all.


13 posted on 01/21/2008 12:46:36 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: PeterPrinciple; SunkenCiv
I suspect the Egyptian rulers were much more concerned about being dethroned and having their wealth taken than the color of the Nubians.
14 posted on 01/21/2008 12:48:57 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: wildbill
Wooly Bully
15 posted on 01/21/2008 1:57:04 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Do you believe ancient peoples viewed dark skin 'uncharitably?'

circa 500 BC.

16 posted on 01/21/2008 4:32:00 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: blam

Some time around 2002-003 Wooly Bully was still on the Wurlitzers at some of the houses in Boys Town.

I never quite understood the attraction for the song in those joints.


17 posted on 01/21/2008 4:35:38 PM PST by wildbill
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To: PeterPrinciple
To be fair to National Geographic, they also wrote:
"Revisiting that golden age in the African desert does little to advance the case of Afrocentric Egyptologists, who argue that all ancient Egyptians, from King Tut to Cleopatra, were black Africans."

And a lot of racism, particularly the extremely nasty forms, is traceable to recent history. Going along with what another freeper typed, ancient peoples *appear* to have done a decent job of separating ethnicity from race.

18 posted on 01/21/2008 4:42:00 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Ptarmigan
"There are Black people in Asia, mostly in the southern part. One of them is called Negritos. Also, there is another tribe in the Andaman Islands of Indian Ocean, which look like African Bushman and Hottentots."

I believe these are some of the 'original' OUT OF AFRICA people...they all have old DNA. The Orang Asli have some of the oldest DNA on earth, if not the oldest.

"The Orang Asli are the indigenous minority peoples of Peninsular Malaysia. The name is a Malay term which transliterates as 'original peoples' or 'first peoples.' It is a collective term introduced by anthropologists and administrators for the 18 sub-ethnic groups generally classified for official purposes under Negrito, Senoi and Proto-Malay. They numbered 105,000 in 1997 representing a mere 0.5 per cent of the national population. "

19 posted on 01/21/2008 5:03:10 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

There was slavery in the Ancient World but it wasn;t based on racial lines.


20 posted on 01/21/2008 6:18:44 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

What is that?


21 posted on 01/21/2008 6:24:10 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Kill them with kindness, then taser them for fun.)
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To: Ptarmigan

“I am not surprised if there were Black pharoahs in Egypt. Tell the truth, Ancient Egyptians look like mixed race people, mostly Black and White.”

The original Ancient Egyptians were an eastern Mediterranean type people who closely resembled Semitic and Berber peoples. They became a mixed race group as a result of an influx of Kushite slaves and soldiers - mainly archers. The book cited previously discusses this sinlge purely Kushite group of Pharoahs. But at that point in Egyptina history Ancient Egypt as a political entity was on the skids, having also experienced Lybian and ultimately Macedonian Dynasties.

If you look at Ancient Egyptian paintings of themselves, they clearly depict the men as red or brown skinned and the women as yellow or white skinned. Kushites were depicetd black and Lybians and Asians as white.

But being “Egyptian” was not a matter of race, but of culture. “Blacks” or “Asians” who accepted Egyptian culture and Egyptian gods were considered Egyptians.


22 posted on 01/21/2008 6:25:15 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
There was slavery in the Ancient World but it wasn;t based on racial lines.

Actually slavery in the ancient world was highly correlated with ethnic differences, because the largest source of slaves was captives taken in war and warfare was waged (setting aside the Roman empire) by largely homogenous ethnicities or tribes against neighboring peoples of a different ethnicity or tribe (albeit they may be of similar shades of skin color).

Tribalism describes the ancient world (again setting aside Roman civilization, which was a big step forward in human societies) better than racism, but one shouldn't pretend that tribalism was any better than racism or differed much from it in any essential way. To take a more modern example, the hatred between Hutus and Tutsis might not be considered racism by many people because both peoples happen to be black-skinned, but the tribalism at work there is essentially no different from racism.

23 posted on 01/21/2008 7:01:26 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Ptarmigan; colorado tanker

...and of course, the Nubians had been beaten up, occupied, and squeezed for tribute by various Egyptian dynasties going quite far back in time, so it was really payback.


24 posted on 01/21/2008 9:50:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: Ptarmigan
Roman Emperor Septimius Severus, from North Africa, was supposedly black as well. Not a problem for the Romans.


25 posted on 01/22/2008 4:08:36 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (“We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!” --Duncan Hunter)
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“What’s a nubian?”

Mark


26 posted on 01/22/2008 5:57:22 AM PST by MarkL
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

It was correlated with ethnicity as you note, but it was not ethnically driven as it was in the Americas.
There were African Roman Emperors and African slaves and Germanic slaves and Germanic soldiery in the Empire.

Greek city states might be just as likely to enslave other Greeks as they would enslave non-Greeks.

In the world of the western 1700’s and early 1800’s, slavery was essentially race related. No?


27 posted on 01/22/2008 8:12:26 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
In the world of the western 1700’s and early 1800’s, slavery was essentially race related. No?

Yes, I agree. As a result of the changing European economy in the Middle Ages, slavery largely died out in Europe (setting aside the problem of the persistence of serfdom in the Russian Empire and other far eastern lands).

Slavery came back when during the voyages of exploration the Portuguese invented the African slave trade. The huge numbers of African slaves transported to the New World lead to the association of slavery with race. And, of course, as slavery came under attack as immoral, its defenders attempted to justify it on racial grounds.

28 posted on 01/22/2008 9:26:03 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: MarkL

A Nubian was somebody from Nubia - from the Ancient Egyptian word “nb’ meaning gold as that area was a source of gold. It corresponded to modern day Sudan. Nubian was later used to refer to any black African as opposed to Egyptians and Berbers who werer not black.

During most of the Ancient Egyptian period however, Nubia was referred to as Kush and the inhabitants as Kushites. So I think Nubian was a later Egyptian term for the same people.

Google Nubia and Google Kush


29 posted on 01/22/2008 9:36:59 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I think Septimius Severus was probably a Berber. Not every African is or was Black, and black ethnocentrists would have us believe.


30 posted on 01/22/2008 9:38:08 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Ummm... I knew that...

I was actually quoting a line from one of the funniest scenes ever shot in a movie... From “Chasing Amy.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mSVZmk8Yzg

Actually, that’s the best scene in the entire movie. I’m not 100% sure that it’s worth watching the entire movie for that one scene though...

Sorry, just trying to be a smartass.

Mark


31 posted on 01/22/2008 11:08:55 AM PST by MarkL
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To: ZULU
It was correlated with ethnicity as you note, but it was not ethnically driven as it was in the Americas.

To the contrary, it was almost always ethnically-driven. In the ancient world (setting aside the Roman Empire, which, as I have said, was more advanced), typically, relatively homogenous ethnic groups made war on ethnically different neighboring peoples and made their captives of wars into slaves.

There were African Roman Emperors and African slaves and Germanic slaves and Germanic soldiery in the Empire.

I don't know why you are trying to take issue with me on the point of the Roman Empire, as I have already said the Roman Empire represented a major civilizational advance and a departure from typical practices in the ancient world.

Greek city states might be just as likely to enslave other Greeks as they would enslave non-Greeks.

In the case of the Greeks also, as I have said, they typically took as slaves captives of other Greek tribes defeated in war. The helots, for example, were from the tribe of the Messenians and were made to serve the Spartans after the Spartans defeated the Messenians in war.

In the world of the western 1700’s and early 1800’s, slavery was essentially race related. No?

The enslavement of the slaves used in the Western Hemisphere originated in largely the same way as slavery typically always had. One tribe or ethnic group (in this case black Africans) defeated another tribe or ethnic group (also black Africans) in war and made the captives into slaves. Only in this case, the enslavement happened in West Africa and the leaders of the victorious tribe sold their slaves to Portuguese, and later other European, slave traders to be transported and used as slaves in other lands.

The insistence on drawing a strong distinction between slavery between different races as opposed to slavery between different ethnicities is of little value. Killing and enslaving people who are ethnically different is little different from killing and enslaving people who are racially different, and one should not consider tribalism any better than racism, because in fact it differs little from it.

32 posted on 01/22/2008 1:55:42 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Interesting family portrait of the Emperor Septimus Severus and his family, especially with the face of his son Geta obliterated, which was done by the order of his other son, the Emperor Caracalla. I agree with the other poster that the Severans were from the Roman province of Africa, the former home territory of the Carthaginians, and populated by Berbers. Carthaginian (Punic) descendants, and people from around the Empire.

The Pharaohs were all black idiots even try to say that Cleopatra's family (the Ptolemy's) were black when in fact they were 100% Greek.

33 posted on 01/23/2008 3:20:02 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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