Posted on 03/19/2009 6:27:05 PM PDT by freedumb2003
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# Only 53% of adults know how long it takes for the Earth to revolve around the Sun. # Only 59% of adults know that the earliest humans and dinosaurs did not live at the same time. # Only 47% of adults can roughly approximate the percent of the Earth's surface that is covered with water.* # Only 21% of adults answered all three questions correctly
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I understand that (and most people don’t—guess we biology teachers are not doing a good job passing that on!)
It’s strong evidence. It’s hard to prove the theory (dinosaurs lived at the same time as early humans) or to disprove it, in fact. At least that is how we taught it. People like to toss around the word proof, but I think it muddies the waters here. You can disagree, and it’s semantics.
You can't really prove a negative so I will agree with you.
I’m not sure we can actually prove much of anything. Perhaps we are all in the Matrix! ;)
I think that's generally true for nature around us, but those constants break down--for instance, we know that Newton's laws of motion don't apply to sub-atomic particles. Everything else does, but subatomic particles don't. Why? Don't know. But they don't. So you can't rely on Newton's laws to explain those things. Same is also true for space. We know enough to know that Space doesn't follow our rules.
Your public schools at work. Of course, I often wonder, this being such a big country, would other countries of similar size fair much better, in terms of percentages?
That's the point: when we find the rules don't apply, we try to ascertain what the newly discovered rules are. Things like quantum physics are tools to help discern what the true underlying rules are. Just as Einsteinian rules supplanted Newtonian, new rules are being discovered that poke holes in some aspects of Einstein's.
Space may not follow our rules but it follows some rules.
Sure, sure, I agree—but the point is that it’s not all one set of rules. There are very clearly different rules for different sets of circumstances, and this may be yet another example of a “different” set of rules that we can’t comprehend.
I suspect that we know something like .0001% of all there is to know about the universe and how it works and one day we’ll all be very surprised to learn how things really work.
I think we are saying the same thing. The different rules for different circumstances ARE the rules.
I suspect that we know something like .0001% of all there is to know about the universe and how it works and one day we’ll all be very surprised to learn how things really work.
If we are that far a long I would be very surprised. Toss in about 6 or 7 zeros to the right of the decimal place ;)
“The fact that God can do anything doesn’t mean He does everything.”
The fact is, God said what he did. You can either believe Him or not.
“I suggest that your son cannot work in modern pharmecology if he cannot understand evolutionary processes. And Physics rarely crosses to medicine.”
He works on a research team which develops computer models and trials for nano delivered medicine. As best I understand it. His bosses seem to be very happy with him.
You know, the majority of people in this country and in this world believe that this universe was directly created by a divine being. I am not speaking from a bizarre little sliver of humanity. Presumably, most of us are able to do our jobs without embracing evolutionary theory.
“But there is no proof of worldwide flood. To posit that one occurred but that God covered the proof of such a calamity undermines your thesis.”
Wow. Oh yes there is. Besides the Bible, and the lore of many ancient peoples, there are the strata and the grand canyon and oil and coal and a wealth of physical evidence that supports a worldwide flood.
I know you have already sort of made up your mind, but a quick search of “catastrophism” (wouldn’t take you but five minutes) could at least let you know what the other side is thinking, even if you don’t agree with it.
“There are none.”
Are you saying, do I understand you correctly, that all dinosaur fossils are found alone, i.e., there are no other fossils nearby or in the same strata?
“You posit God the Trickster.”
No, God is clear about His attributes, including the fact that he is omniscient, is not bound by time, and is not bound by our physical laws. He raises the dead, for one thing. He appeared to Moses in a burning bush, but the bush was not burnt. Etc.
You posit God the Liar. Why would He lie to His people?
>>Wow. Oh yes there is. Besides the Bible, and the lore of many ancient peoples, there are the strata and the grand canyon and oil and coal and a wealth of physical evidence that supports a worldwide flood.<<
I am sorry, that is flat out not true. There is no physical evidence of a worldwide flood within the timespan of Human existence. Most of the Earth was underwater at one time or another but that was billions of years ago.
Here is a pretty good link that explains in detail: http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/new_no_flood_evidence.htm
>>Are you saying, do I understand you correctly, that all dinosaur fossils are found alone, i.e., there are no other fossils nearby or in the same strata?<<
No, I am saying that no modern human fossils have been found with the same time markers as dinosaurs. They are millions of years removed.
>>No, God is clear about His attributes, including the fact that he is omniscient, is not bound by time, and is not bound by our physical laws. He raises the dead, for one thing. He appeared to Moses in a burning bush, but the bush was not burnt. Etc.<<
I believe I covered miracles upthread. Whether God used Evolution as His method to create us or zapped it all into existence it makes no difference to His Powers. But why would He then create billions of interrelated and correlated pieces of evidence to something that never happened?
>>You posit God the Liar. Why would He lie to His people?<<
He never lied to his children. He spoke in the only terms they could understand and made it clear He created this Earth for the benefit of His Children.
Well, I guess you and I agree that He never lied. You are assuming he wrote Genesis as some sort of easily digested allegorical tale, because men at that time couldn’t have understood it. I think men at the time of creation were just as intelligent as we are now, and could have accepted evolution, if God told them that’s what he did.
It could have read like:
“In the beginning, God made matter. He began to create life using the energy of lightning and heat and pressure. Small creatures, smaller than your eye can see, began to appear. Slowly over millions of year, He caused these creatures to adapt and grow and change. Leaving some as they were, He caused others to grow into small plants, then animals and birds. Some of they changed over millions of years into animals. Finally, God caused the apes to evolve in mankind. He named the first man Adam”. . . etc.
That’s just as understandable as Genesis 1 is now.
*Know* is a pretty strong word to use to apply to a scientific THEORY.
How do you KNOW they didn't? Are you so old as to have witnessed this? If not, you might want to rethink your position.
fd: Yes, it is proof of that.
Bzzztt.... Wrong.....
If you find them together, you can safely conclude that they existed together. Not finding them together means nothing especially with as spotty as the fossil record is and with fossilization so poorly understood.
Buy a clue.... Not everything that ever lived left a fossil, therefore, in the field, lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.
Looks like you flunk basic science.
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