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Was Shakespeare really Fulke Greville

Posted on 09/20/2009 4:30:43 AM PDT by crypt

Was Fulke Greville really Shakespeare.Solving a Historic mystery between Shakespeare and Fulke Greville with the help of Fulke Grevilles 8th great grandson Christopher Brooke Fulke Greville and his cousin Historian Guy De La Bedoyere.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Conspiracy; History; Poetry
KEYWORDS: 2zotornot2zot; fulkegreville; godsgravesglyphs; history; poetry; shakespeare; thearts
What an amazing mystery to be solved by some of the worlds leading investigative historians trying to link Lord Brooke,Fulke Greville to William Shakespeare. I recently met his 8th Great grandson a Christopher Brooke Fulke Greville who is a Medieval Historian,and he recognises that there is a strong link between his ancestor Lord Brooke,Fulke Greville and William Shakespeare and would be happy to show various old documents to anyone investigating this mystery.
1 posted on 09/20/2009 4:30:43 AM PDT by crypt
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To: crypt

really? ibtz


2 posted on 09/20/2009 4:32:28 AM PDT by Americanwolf (Did you fart?...... No?.....whats that smell?.........The democrat party rotting from within!!!...)
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To: crypt

Ask Helen, she knew Shakespeare back when she was middle-aged.

3 posted on 09/20/2009 4:32:55 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: crypt

Welcome to FR.

Can you tell those of us who are interested more?

Thank you.


4 posted on 09/20/2009 4:42:53 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: crypt

5 posted on 09/20/2009 4:55:30 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: crypt
Interesting supposition. Sounds like a novel pursuit.

Intentional pun.
6 posted on 09/20/2009 4:59:32 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: crypt
You sign up for a new account on 6:30 on a Sunday morning and lead off posting this?

With Darth N00b scheduled to appear on *five* talk shows?

Sniff.

You also might enjoy Obama's Eyes Are Nothing Like the Sun (apologies to William Shakespeare).

Welcome to Free Republic.

Warning: more addictive than Baconian theories!

Cheers!

7 posted on 09/20/2009 5:14:28 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: crypt

Apparently, he thought he was: http://www.masterofshakespeare.com/


8 posted on 09/20/2009 5:27:16 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't anthropomorphize the robots. They hate that.)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Google or http://www.masterofshakespeare.com/

I thought it was a put on at first myself. Maybe it is. Not much of a cryptoshakespearologist myself.

I like his epitaph: Trophaeum Peccati, “Monument to a Sinner”


9 posted on 09/20/2009 5:34:03 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't anthropomorphize the robots. They hate that.)
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To: crypt

IBTZ?


10 posted on 09/20/2009 5:59:46 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Thank you for the link.


11 posted on 09/20/2009 6:08:03 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: crypt
Was Shakespeare really Fulke Greville

No.

12 posted on 09/20/2009 7:42:12 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (Always be a good boy, don't ever play with guns)
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To: crypt

One of the most popular subjects in English Literature studies is: Who really wrote Shakespeare’s plays?

There are multiple candidates, all of whom have their learned and rabid adherents.

Great fun to read and compare, but this is a controversy that is not likely to be solved.


13 posted on 09/20/2009 7:58:23 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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Tomb search could end riddle of Shakespeare’s true identity [Fulke Greville]
Telegraph | Sunday, August 9th, 2009 | David Harrison
Posted on 08/31/2009 7:33:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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14 posted on 09/20/2009 2:07:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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15 posted on 09/20/2009 2:07:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
The speculation is that William Shakespeare could not have had the worldly knowledge - being a country hick - to write some of these plays.

The answer in one documentary I saw is that Shakespeare was highly educated as part of an underground Crypto-Catholic community.

16 posted on 09/21/2009 9:47:35 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: crypt

Thank you for the post and welcome. These kind of articles are one of the reasons I stay here. There will be some gatekeepers who want you banned (IBTZ), but I think the moderators will see through them and allow the thread to stand.


17 posted on 09/21/2009 9:52:36 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: wildbill

This could well be an unfolding of an adventure that we should all cherish,especially if they do confirm that Fulke Greville and William Shakespeare are linked closer than anyone can imagine.
I for one would relish investigating this mystery.
Fulke Greville was a poet and Statesman within his own right and confirming any of this mystery would propel the Greville family to even more greatness.
On speaking to Christopher Fulke Greville and his brothers,its rather uncanny to see the physical resemblance to his Great ancestor when I visit Warwick Castles Ghost Tower.


18 posted on 09/21/2009 10:20:50 AM PDT by crypt
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To: wildbill

This could well be an unfolding of an adventure that we should all cherish,especially if they do confirm that Fulke Greville and William Shakespeare are linked closer than anyone can imagine.
I for one would relish investigating this mystery.
Fulke Greville was a poet and Statesman within his own right and confirming any of this mystery would propel the Greville family to even more greatness.
On speaking to Christopher Fulke Greville and his brothers,its rather uncanny to see the physical resemblance to his Great ancestor when I visit Warwick Castles Ghost Tower.


19 posted on 09/21/2009 10:21:25 AM PDT by crypt
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To: Nikas777

Shakespeare went to the local school, but didn’t go to university; OTOH, as you note, he was involved with the Old Faith in Britain, and was a teacher early in his adulthood, for people who didn’t want their kids going to gov’t schools, say, that kinda sounds familiar... anyway, it’s humbling to realize that, by the time Shakespeare was my age, he’d been dead four months. ;’)


20 posted on 09/21/2009 2:55:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: nufsed

Hi,I do realise the moderators are the best overseers of this forum and certainly would not impede a serious investigation on what could well be of National importance.
If there is a confirmed link between Fulke Greville and Shakespeare I am sure there will be aggrieved parties but they will come to understand that the truth can only be positive,especially as they are both presumed to be English.
The interest shown by many thousands of patrons of Shakespeare and Fulke Greville will be beneficial in reviving interest in practical and financial terms around the world.
Thank God for mysteries.
By the way what is the roll of the gatekeepers,is it to secure entry,to what and why.


21 posted on 09/22/2009 10:15:39 AM PDT by crypt
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To: crypt
In the last 4-5 years we have become battle weary and on the look-out lest liberals sign-up on the site. Many here have a quick trigger finger on any post by a newbie. It can build up a momentum in which their ping list comes abord with lightening and kitties to attack the new poster. Fortunately, many of the mods are more reasonable. Seniority can be everything.

You posted on what I consider to be a safe and interesting topic. However the zotcats came out of the woodwork as if you were OB's chiff of staff.

I consider such people impulsive and worrisome, but some of us see them as self-appointed thread police. Thus the term gatekeeper. In this case, it seems clear they were too quick on the trigger.

22 posted on 09/22/2009 11:39:53 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: nufsed

It looks as though I have to go all out here and say I believe that the many works of William Shakespeare could well have been Fulke Greville.
I have just been shown some interesting old papers and oil paintings from his present ancestor,and I have to say that the similarities are frighteningly similar in many areas.
What would happen if Shakespeare was deemed to be Fulke Greville,certainly the History books will have to be re-written and the works will have to be reinterpreted to the character of Fulke Greville.
Fulke Greville with certainty was never a boring person and many of the Warwick Greville family have fabulous histories.

Of course there is always the political advantage played by the Tudors at the time,recognising that Fulke Greville was of Norman descent with Richard 111 being a relative.


23 posted on 09/23/2009 3:44:26 AM PDT by crypt
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To: Nikas777

Certainly Shakespeare was a country hick but a devout man with intelligence.
But Fulke Greville did have the high intellect and the breeding to bring any works of his time to life,thus making him the man to master many.
As far as underground Crypto-Catholic communities,I am sure many men of their day with traditional aristocratic breeding and specialist skills would be invited to join certain societies that are active to this day.


24 posted on 09/26/2009 9:15:12 AM PDT by crypt
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To: nufsed

Has there been any more development in confirming that William Shakespeares works where in fact works of Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke.
Its been very active in Warwick just recently with huge interest shown by many academics and tourists around the world who firmly believe Fulke Greville was the Master of Shakespeare,there are just to many coincidences that tie these two individuals together.
A good look around Warwick Castle and the Church where Fulke Greville is buried will show proof as to the many threads of proof that entwines through this mystery.
An interesting 400 year old portrait presuming to be of William Shakespeare known as the Cobbe portrait shows it is a positive match of Lord Brooke,Fulke Greville.


25 posted on 12/14/2009 9:47:29 AM PST by crypt
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To: crypt

Greville is a great, and difficult poet — and Thom Gunn’s edition of his poetry has recently been reissued by U of Chicago Press, ISBN 0-226-30846-4.

Best one-stop criticism on just about everything officially attributed to Greville:

The Sidney Journal Vol. 19 issues 1-2, Special Double Issue on Fulke Greville ($14): http://www.sidneyjournal.org/content/purchase

Best biography is:

Rebholz, R. A. The Life of Fulke Greville, First Lord Brooke (1971)

Two others:

Rees, Joan. Fulke Greville, Lord Brooke, 1554-1628: A Critical Biography (1971)

Larson, Charles Howard. Fulke Greville (1980)

On Greville’s poetry (especially lyrics), the best book is:

Waswo, Richard. The Fatal Mirror; Themes and Techniques in the Poetry of Fulke Greville (1972)

Nice web compilation of poetry, mini-bio, and criticism can be found in the Luminarium: http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/fulkebio.htm


26 posted on 03/10/2010 12:18:11 PM PST by FulkeGreville
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Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke was not only a great poet and Statesman to three Monarchs he was also the first Grand Master of the Rosicrucian Order.
So obviously it would have been in his and the Goverments interest for him to remain secretive in his pursuing of written works.
Experts around the World including Author AWL Saunders and Historian Christopher Fulke Greville may well unearth the truth to prove Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke was in fact the Master of Shakespeare.
Once this is proved the History books will have to be re-written and Fulke Greville to be recognised as a the true,great English Poet.


27 posted on 05/03/2010 8:21:18 AM PDT by crypt
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Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke was not only a great poet and Statesman to three Monarchs he was also the first Grand Master of the Rosicrucian Order.
So obviously it would have been in his and the Goverments interest for him to remain secretive in his pursuing of written works.
Experts around the World including Author AWL Saunders and Historian Christopher Fulke Greville may well unearth the truth to prove Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke was in fact the Master of Shakespeare.
Once this is proved the History books will have to be re-written and Fulke Greville to be recognised as the true,great English Poet.


28 posted on 05/03/2010 8:22:39 AM PDT by crypt
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To: crypt

Its been some time putting forward argument to indicate the role of Fulke Greville and William Shakespeare may be closer than some would like to believe.
AWL Saunders has just uncovered more evidence to indicate William Shakespeare and Fulke Greville have more similarities than realised.If AWL Saunders would like to comment on his later findings,it may help to further the argument for Fulke Greville.


29 posted on 01/29/2012 3:58:34 AM PST by crypt
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To: crypt; All

I suppose it doesn’t hurt FR to have at least one crazy old “who was the real Shakespeare” conspiracy theorist in its basement...

He’s not a Mythbot and doesn’t profess love for Obama, so I say we keep this guy...as a mascot of sorts!


30 posted on 01/29/2012 4:36:40 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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