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Cherokees Spoke Greek and Came from East Mediterranean
DNA Consultants ^ | 17 June 2010 | Donald N. Yates

Posted on 07/07/2010 6:22:09 AM PDT by Palter

Possum Creek Stone and Anomalous Cherokee DNA Point to Eastern Mediterranean Origins

In memoriam Gloria Farley

Donald N. Yates

DNA Consultants

Keynote address for Ancient American History and Archeology Conference, Sandy, Utah, April 2, 2010

SUMMARY  Three examples of North American rock art are discussed and placed in the context of ancient Greek and Hebrew civilization. The Red Bird Petroglyphs are compared with Greek and Hebrew coins and the Bat Creek Stone. The Possum Creek Stone discovered by Gloria Farley is identified as a Greek athlete’s victory pedestal. The Thruston Stone is interpreted as a record of the blending of Greek, Cherokee, Native American, Egyptian and Hebrew civilization. Keetoowah Society traditions, as captured in The Vision of Eloh’, are adduced to confirm a general outline of the origins of the Cherokee people in a Ptolemaic Greek trans-Pacific expedition joining pre-arriving Greeks, Jews and Phoenicians in the Ohio Valley around 100 c.e.  Recent DNA investigations showing Egyptian, Jewish and Phoenician female lineages and the Y chromosome of Old Testament Priests among the Cherokee are also touched upon. Greek words and customs in the Cherokee are reviewed as time permits. Slide projector requested.

A cave entrance overlooking the Redbird River, a tributary of the South Fork of the Kentucky River in Clay County, Kentucky in the Daniel Boone National Forest, has inscriptions which according to Kenneth B. Tankersley of the University of Cincinnati display a nineteenth-century example of writing in the Cherokee syllabary. A local resident (Burchell) recognizes Greek writing in one inscription (called Christian Monogram #2) but his reading is unsatisfactory for a number of reasons. Evaluation by experts in Greek and Semitic epigraphy identifies two distinct inscriptions, one in Greek and one in Hebrew.  They appear to be contemporaneous with the Bat Creek Stone unearthed in the 1889 excavation of a tomb in East Tennessee by Cyrus Thomas of the Smithsonian Institution.

Another record of Greek-speaking people in ancient America is the Possum Creek Stone, discovered by Gloria Farley in Oklahoma in the 1970s. It is discussed by her in Volume 2 of In Plain Sight as proof that the man history knows as Sequoyah did not invent the Cherokee syllabary.  The inscription can be read as Greek, HO-NI-KA-SA or ‘o nikasa, i.e. “This is the one who takes the prize of victory,” a common inscription for the pedestal upon which victors were crowned at athletic games.  The use is Homeric, and the spelling Doric.

A third piece of evidence helps fill in the background of the arrival of Greeks and their intermarriage with Asiatic and other Indians in North America. In 1870, an engraved 19 x 15 inch limestone tablet was uncovered in a mound excavation on Rocky Creek near Castalian Springs in Sumner County, Tennessee (see Ancient American, vol. 12, no. 77). Dating to an earlier time than its Mississipian Period context, it commemorates a peace treaty between the Cherokee and Shawnee. The Cherokee chief wears a horse-hair crested helmet and carries the spear and shield of a Greek hoplite. His Shawnee adversary clasps hands in a wedding ceremony with a Cherokee woman who bears wampum belts as a pledge of peace, has her hair in a maidenly bun, wears a Middle Eastern-style plaid kilt, and displays a large star of David. In the Red Record or Walam Olum, we learn that before crossing the Mississippi, somewhere along the south bank of the Missouri, the Algonquians or Lenni Lenape (Delaware Indians), who are later allied with the Cherokee, encounter a foreign tribe they call the Stonys. Cherokee legends about Stone-coat demonstrate that the original Cherokee had metal armor and weapons. DNA studies confirm a mixture of “anomalous” East Mediterranean mitochondrial lineages such as Egyptian T, Greek U and Phoenician X with “standard” American Indian haplogroups A, B, C and D in the Cherokee and certain other Eastern Woodlands Indians.

To sum up, the Red Bird Petroglyph is a Greek inscription from the 2nd to 3rd century c.e., not a crude Cherokee scratching of around 1800 as announced recently by the Archeological Institute of America and the New York Times. It occurs above what is, in all likelihood, an inscription in Maccabean-era Hebrew. The Sequoyan syllabary for which these Greek and Hebrew inscriptions were mistaken originated in the Greek world of the Bronze Age along with other syllabaries like Linear A, Linear B and Cypro-Minoan. The Cherokee language, which today is Iroquoian, is the result of a relexification process in the distant past. It contains many relics of words of Greek origin, especially in the area of government, military terminology, mythology, athletics and ritual. Cherokee music also reflects Greek origins.  The Cherokee Indians are, quite literally, the Greeks of Native America.

Possum Creek Stone and Anomalous Cherokee DNA Point to East Mediterranean Origins (PPT)

Greek Words and Customs in Cherokee

Greek

Meaning
Cherokee
Meaning

alomenoi
dakos
dasis

tynchana
etheloikeoi*
gennadas
huios Dios
illo, illas*
kakotechneo

kanon
karanos
kateis*
kerux
mona*
neika*

Ogyges
ouktenna
oulountata
skia
stix
tanawa*

(hoi en) telei
theatas*
theatron
Thrax
typho

wanderers (in a hopeless sense)
noxious, devouring beast, whale
hairy, shaggy like a beast
things that befall
volunteer settlers

noble
Son of Zeus (title of Herakles)
wrap, twist; rope
base arts, perjury, fraud
straight-edge used by athletes
a chief

assembly
herald
stopping place, way-station
contest
titan of Greek mythology
one not killed

declared healthy
ghost, shade
abominable
astronomical instrument
those in authority
spectator in a play

theater, assembly
 Thracian
raise a smoke, make sacrifice

eloh’; elohi

dakwa
dachi
tikano
eshelokee
kanat(i)
Su-too Jee

kilohi
kaktunta
kanuga
Koranu**
cahtiyis
skarirosken**

mona
anetcha
Ootschaye
Uktena
oolungtsata
atchina

Stichi
Tchlanua
tilihi
tetchata
tetchanun
tchaskiri**

Tathtowe,
  Tistoe
migrants, wanderers; earth
mythic great fish

hairy water monster
history
Cherokee; original people
doctor, hunter
mythic strong man
twisted hair clan (cf. Hawaiian hilo)

taboo regulation
scraper used by ballplayers
war chief title
assembly house
speaker, herald
land where the Elohi tarried

ballplay
rival of Sutoo Jee (Herakles)
name of a dragon or serpent
divining crystal for health
ghost; cedar
name of dangerous serpent

Great Hawk
brave, warrior
Playful Cherokee fairy
ceremonial enclosure
sorcerer, Stoneclad
ceremonial title; firecracker  (smoke) bringer (Santa Claus)


TOPICS: History
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To: Palter

Baloney


21 posted on 07/07/2010 7:25:09 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Larry Lucido

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/cherbios/page37.htm


22 posted on 07/07/2010 7:25:26 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: tlb

I thought that was Victoria’s Secret with an attitude.


23 posted on 07/07/2010 7:25:35 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Palter

And they thought the guy buying the 30-06 to shoot aliens was a nut.


24 posted on 07/07/2010 7:25:42 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Brookhaven

“All of the DNA evidence shows that ancient Americans came from the far eastern pacific rim. “

The powerpoint linked in Post 2 differs with DNA analysis to back it up.


25 posted on 07/07/2010 7:28:53 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Palter

Tsalagi is Creek, it means people who speak a different language. To be accurate you can call us Aniyunwiya.


26 posted on 07/07/2010 7:33:57 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: Palter

And they thought the guy buying the 30-06 to shoot aliens was a nut.


27 posted on 07/07/2010 7:35:33 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

I don’t think these translations are even close enough to count or are just a mere coincidence.


28 posted on 07/07/2010 7:43:30 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Palter; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 240B; 24Karet; ...

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Thanks Palter.

This has been a long-term interest of mine, but a quick websearch turns up the same kind of Islamic agitprop that has polluted most of the modern world, so we need to be cautious.

One of those jackasses claims that Moslems who were part of an N.A. tribe signed a treaty with the US in the late 18th c, that it was in the Library of Congress and indisputable -- but another quick search brings up the treaty itself, and it was signed in and with Morocco.

The late Barry Fell (whom I greatly admire) got mired in association with some Libyan profs, and suddenly started to connect pre-Moslem Libyans with half the planet.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
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29 posted on 07/07/2010 7:54:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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The Cherokee Syllabary
Wakalapi
12-29-2003
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Your portal to Native American Tribal Culture
There is a small series of books by linguistic anthropologist Barry Fell describing correlations between some of the NDN languages and ancient languages once used in Europe and North Africa. He does not imply that we came from there, but he does strongly indicate there was peace and international commerce between our ancestors and wasicu's ancestors long before Europe experienced its Dark Ages. The controversial Bat Creek Stone is said to have been found in a Cherokee burial mound in Tennessee and on it is the inscription, "Kadosh L'YY" in a paleo-Hebrew script used around 2,000 years ago. It means "Holy unto HaSHEM (Y-H-V-H, G-d)."

According to Fell, nearly 300 Algonquin words share meanings and have similar pronunciations to their equivalents in Koine', an ancient dialect of Greek many Bible scholars believe the New Testament was originally written in (I personally believe much of it was Aramaic, aka "Chaldee"). He also claims that a sacred Creation story enchanted to him by an elder from one of the SW tribes was understood by a scholar of ancient Phoenician, and that a Shoshone man travelling in the Army recognized words in Basque as being from his own tongue. Alot of today's historians guffaw at Fell's theories, but only because they oppose the common belief that Columbus was our first European visitor. But then that wouldn't explain all the blonde haired, blue eyes fullbloods that could possibly be descended from Leif Eriksen. ;)
Fell equated a recorded oral traditional origin story, which was in an archaic version of the Zuni language, with a Semitic creation story. Here's the entire text regarding the Shoshone man who conversed with Basques:
America B.C.
by Barry Fell
(1976)
find it in a nearby library
A fascinating letter I received from a Shoshone Indian who had been traveling in the Basque country of Spain tells of his recognition of Shoshone words over there, including his own name, whose Shoshone meaning proved to match the meaning attached to a similar word by the modern Basques. Unfortunately I mislaid this interesting letter. If the Shoshone scholar who wrote to me should chance to see these words I hope he will forgive me and contact me again. The modern Basque settlers of Idaho may perhaps bring forth a linguist to investigate matters raised in this chapter. [p 173]
This one is tantalizing, because the Basque language is an isolate, unrelated to any other known "Old World" language.
30 posted on 07/07/2010 8:04:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Palter; Black Agnes

This is ironic coming from a Jewish Indian..lol

Christian Identity...biggest Jews haters on the planet after Muzzies...also believe Cherokess were different.

The “Real People” they call them.

My wife was glad to hear that...she always wondered why she was special?


31 posted on 07/07/2010 8:16:44 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am not in favor of practical endorsements in primaries, endorse the conservative please)
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To: Palter

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/okay.wav


32 posted on 07/07/2010 8:18:18 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Palter
The top is Cherokee, which is translated: "No Parking!"


33 posted on 07/07/2010 8:26:44 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Palter; SunkenCiv

34 posted on 07/07/2010 8:27:15 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: Palter

The link below takes us to a simple Cherokee/Tsalagi
dictionary:

http://public.csusm.edu/public/guests/raven/cherokee.dir/cherlexi.html


35 posted on 07/07/2010 8:30:26 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Actually the slide presentation is all science.

I’ll hop in on your post to make an additional footnote

As a tangential trip, the story is strong on Melungeon connection. My area is experiencing a strong interest in the Melungeon culture. Suppressed for perhaps two hundred years, people are keen to study and understand their heritage.

It started when an academic, Brent Kennedy, became ill and was hospitalized at Emory in Atlanta. There was a diagnostician who correctly diagnosed him with a disease genetically related to obscure Mediterranean cultures. That was news to him. He was raised in Southwest Virginia. Thus began his quest and the annual meetings in Kingsport of hundreds of folks who come to learn about their Melungeon heritage.

Melungeons were called racial tripartiates with one of the groups being Cherokee.

There is much more here than is revealed by a casual glance.
East Tennessee was the capitol of Cherokee land and the remote hollows and ridges were home to most of the Melungeons.

By the way, in the book by the French colonist Laudinarre in 1562, his troops visited East Tennessee on a trade mission from far away Ft Caroline at what is now Mayport, Jacksonville Beach Florida.


36 posted on 07/07/2010 8:47:08 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... The winds of war are freshening)
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To: Palter

Balonoi ... bull-only.


37 posted on 07/07/2010 8:53:04 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: Palter

Ok, I am sorry. I could not get past the headline - laughing to hard.....doubled over sides hurting. hahahhaah!


38 posted on 07/07/2010 9:02:58 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...

Wow, Mormon much? This is so much wishful thinking and bad history/lingusitics it isn’t even funny.

What is also odd, considering my connections in Classics and with UNC-CH, I have NEVER heard of the guy and classics is a small field. Makes me think he is a fringe guy rather than an accepted academic.

Also notice that he doesn’t mention he is LDS, just lists his credentials making him look like a real scholar.

But THIS is a dead giveaway that he is LDS: His latest book, Old Souls in a New World, is about an expedition of Greeks, Jews and Egyptians that inadvertently founded the Cherokee Indian nation in the third century B.C.


39 posted on 07/07/2010 9:11:07 AM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
I looked at the list of words after I stopped laughing.

And in my expert opinion (I could list credentials but there is not enough space) the Cherokees were actually muslim.

IE: Koranu** I claim this means they were not talking about braided hair but their holy book, the koran.

40 posted on 07/07/2010 9:17:26 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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