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Dig team find proof there were Picts on the Brough of Deerness before the Vikings
Orkneyjar ^ | Thursday, August 11, 2011 | Sigurd Towrie

Posted on 10/12/2011 4:10:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

One of the most significant discoveries of this year's dig is conclusive evidence that the earliest viking houses, thought to date from around AD900, were preceded by a Pictish settlement.

Previously -- excavations were carried out in 2008 and 2009 -- a number of Pictish artefacts had been found on the site, but there was no actual proof that the Picts lived there...

One question that has yet to be answered though, is what happened in the transition between the Pict and the viking villages, and, as yet, no evidence has been found of an integration between the two.

"In terms of the contact between the vikings and the Picts, we've got this massive Viking Age settlement dug into a Pictish site, without there being evidence of a horizon of the mixing of the two cultures," said Dr Barrett... "We've seen that the viking settlement replaced what was there before. Having said that, there are a few caveats, and the first is we've found Pictish-style pottery in the Viking remains. We also don't know whether the viking settlement immediately followed the Pictish settlement, or whether the Pictish settlement had been abandoned for some time before the vikings came."

...What is clear, however, is that the foundations of the 30 viking structures, still visible through the grass, were contemporaneous and were well entrenched in the Brough, which points to an enormous investment of labour...

"Some of the things from the site are objects that have to do with its existence as a chiefly settlement and there are others which are just about the people who lived there and the lives they led, and one of these is a viking gaming board," said Dr Barrett.

"It's actually a Hnefatafl board, a viking game which is a cross between draughts and chess.

(Excerpt) Read more at orkneyjar.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: caledonia; godsgravesglyphs; hnefatafl; orkney; pictish; picts; vikings
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To: Fred Nerks; blam

Hmmm...my Y-chromosome haplotype R1b1b2a1a2f* is very common on the Orkney Islands. Perhaps I have some Pictish blood in me (although I don’t look bluish).


21 posted on 10/12/2011 5:53:48 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Austrian achievement: convincing world that Hitler was German and Beethoven Austrian)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Sid is currently busy setting the controls for the heart of the sun.

Please leave a message.


22 posted on 10/12/2011 5:58:43 PM PDT by Salamander (Alice Cooper hit me with a stick.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Ummagumma...


23 posted on 10/12/2011 6:05:19 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I believe that most of those who lived in Scotland were ethnic Picts with the Scottish representing the Celtic leaders who established themselves in the eyes of foreigners as leaders of a nation but never the real rulers of much of the highlands of what is now Scotland.

And yes a Picture is worth a thousand words.


24 posted on 10/12/2011 6:25:23 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: yup2394871293

There were Christian monks living in caves in Southeastern Iceland when the Vikings (or, more accurately, Norwegian explorers) landed there in the mid Ninth Century. Almost no trace of them was left behind, either. It’s either a strange coincidence, or you are correct about the neatness of Viking housewives!


25 posted on 10/12/2011 6:25:44 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: Pharmboy
I think the Picts were just earlier R1b's and 'H's'. No-one can seem to find a Pict 'gene'.
26 posted on 10/12/2011 7:02:39 PM PDT by blam ((Deliberate Cruelty Is The Worst Of Human Offenses - Kenko))
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To: SunkenCiv

Quite an attractive property. Nice view, but it doesn’t look like the basement would flood very often.


27 posted on 10/12/2011 7:06:52 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: blam

That’s just nit-picting.


28 posted on 10/12/2011 7:08:20 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: yup2394871293; SunkenCiv

When someone Picts me a ‘softball’, I slamb it.


29 posted on 10/12/2011 7:11:04 PM PDT by blam ((Deliberate Cruelty Is The Worst Of Human Offenses - Kenko))
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Thanks...you saved me the trouble....;)


30 posted on 10/12/2011 7:34:54 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Tainan

Cheers! Nothing like some good old Pink Floyd. The Dr. Barrett mentioned n the article was a grand bonus.


31 posted on 10/12/2011 11:08:37 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; kidd; RonF

I’m appalled at your attempts at humor on such a important subject.

Archeology in the Orkneys requires serious Pict and shovel work.

O woad! Woad is me!


32 posted on 10/12/2011 11:15:06 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Some time ago there was a study done on the origin of place names in the north of Britain. The purpose was to see if any trace of the Pitcish language had been left behind as they integrated with the Vikings. Apparently no trace was found in this study and the authors concluded that the Picts had been entirely wiped out and had never integrated.


33 posted on 10/12/2011 11:17:42 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: wildbill
"Archeology in the Orkneys requires serious Pict and shovel work."

On a serious note. Professor Stephan Oppenheimer says that there's actually an R1b Orkney marker. The Orkney male marker (Vikings) spread to Iceland along with the female markers from Ireland...that's where they got the women, Ireland. (Some as wives, some as slaves)

34 posted on 10/13/2011 12:54:06 AM PDT by blam
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To: Del Rapier

“And yes a Picture is worth a thousand words.”

Wasn’t it originally “a Pict is worth a thousand woads”?


35 posted on 10/13/2011 2:44:25 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv

“One question that has yet to be answered though, is what happened in the transition between the Pict and the viking villages, and, as yet, no evidence has been found of an integration between the two.”

I’ll take slaughter for 500, Alex.


36 posted on 10/13/2011 2:45:26 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Seriously, Prof. Oppenheimer needs to get a new day job.

The world economy is faltering and somehow professors keep getting funding for R1b Orkney markers that exist in probably twenty-seven people.

I have no doubt that Orkney males had to drag women from Ireland, kicking and screaming in horror, to those barren ilses.

It’s a long woad to tip an O’leary.


37 posted on 10/13/2011 7:07:58 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill

You’re just Pict (ing) on me.


38 posted on 10/13/2011 11:04:28 AM PDT by blam
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To: wildbill; Berlin_Freeper; BipolarBob; blam; ChocChipCookie; Cincinnatus.45-70; Del Rapier; ...

I caber lieve how many FReepers have made Pict jokes, nearly a dozen, and tanistry more than I would have believed possible.


39 posted on 10/13/2011 4:57:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wildbill

> It’s a long woad to tip an O’leary.

That was a great setup as well. [hat tip]


40 posted on 10/13/2011 4:59:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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