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World War IIís Strangest Battle: When Americans and Germans Fought Together
The Daily Beast ^ | 5/12/13

Posted on 05/13/2013 1:16:46 AM PDT by Kartographer

The most extraordinary things about this truly incredible tale of World War II are that it hasn’t been told before in English, and that it hasn’t already been made into a blockbuster Hollywood movie. Here are the basic facts: on 5 May 1945—five days after Hitler’s suicide—three Sherman tanks from the 23rd Tank Battalion of the U.S. 12th Armored Division under the command of Capt. John C. ‘Jack’ Lee Jr., liberated an Austrian castle called Schloss Itter in the Tyrol, a special prison that housed various French VIPs, including the ex-prime ministers Paul Reynaud and Eduard Daladier and former commanders-in-chief Generals Maxime Weygand and Paul Gamelin, amongst several others. Yet when the units of the veteran 17th Waffen-SS Panzer Grenadier Division arrived to recapture the castle and execute the prisoners, Lee’s beleaguered and outnumbered men were joined by anti-Nazi German soldiers of the Wehrmacht, as well as some of the extremely feisty wives and girlfriends of the (needless-to-say hitherto bickering) French VIPs, and together they fought off some of the best crack troops of the Third Reich.

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1 posted on 05/13/2013 1:16:46 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Needs to be made!


2 posted on 05/13/2013 1:22:45 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Kartographer

I really like what I’ve read of it so far! Of all of the History and Military Channel WWII shows I’ve watched, I can’t believe I haven’t heard about this!


3 posted on 05/13/2013 1:30:04 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: BigCinBigD

“Needs to be made!”

Never happen the good guys won


4 posted on 05/13/2013 1:31:36 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Nailbiter

for want of a comma


5 posted on 05/13/2013 1:32:30 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Kartographer

http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-for-castle-itter.htm


6 posted on 05/13/2013 1:44:31 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: BigCinBigD

Why would Hollywood make such a film....?

Could not blame America as greedy imperialist war mongers....


7 posted on 05/13/2013 1:54:07 AM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: Southack

Lee himself summed it up best. A few months before his death in January 1973, he was asked by a reporter in Norwich how he felt about the long-ago incident. Lee thought for a minute, then replied, “Well, it was just the damnedest thing.” - See more at: http://www.historynet.com/the-battle-for-castle-itter.htm#sthash.9Xf2kwEm.dpuf


8 posted on 05/13/2013 1:54:13 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

FYI

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


9 posted on 05/13/2013 2:11:33 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: BigCinBigD

“Needs to be made.”

Fine. I say it’s right up Quentin Tarantino’s ally. The untold WWII
story which should be made into a feature film is the Los Banos
Raid. Over 2100 starving, mostly American civilians were rescued
from a Japanese prison camp on Luzon by a company of US
paratroopers (B Co511PIR/11th AB), 11th AB Recon, Filipino
guerillas and transported to safety across a very large body of
water on 23 Feb ‘45. All of the 150 prison guards were killed or
dispersed w/out losing a prisoner. The rescue took place 30 mi
behind Japanese lines as the battle for Manila raged. A force of
8K Japanese was camped w/in a 2hr march of Los Banos while
the rescue was taking place.

If you are thinking this is the subject of the movie The Great
Raid starring Benjamin Brat (?) a few years back then you would
be wrong. It received scant attention at the time because it
happened the same day as the raising of the US flag on Mt
Surabachi on Iwo Jima by US Marines.


10 posted on 05/13/2013 2:13:52 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Sivad

There has been a movie about this action. I hope someone will post the further info about it. It is one of the RANGER tribute films.


11 posted on 05/13/2013 2:31:01 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Sivad
There are so many untold stories that unfortunately, I believe will remain untold since they contradict the anti-American narrative of the left. The ignorance of the under-40 crowd today regarding anything prior to their birth is profound. They have been denied knowledge of their heritage in public education and by the media because it does not suit the portrayal of America the left wants to take hold. It is a post-war crime perpetrated for the sake of a political agenda.
12 posted on 05/13/2013 2:31:28 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Tainan

The movie about the US Army Rangers rescuing the prisoners from the Cabanatuan Japanese POW camp is called “The Great Raid”.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0326905/?ref_=sr_1


13 posted on 05/13/2013 2:52:43 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: SkyDancer

Fascinating story.


14 posted on 05/13/2013 3:07:52 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Southack

He expanded his article into a book...good for him..I just finished the book..excellent read..


15 posted on 05/13/2013 3:43:40 AM PDT by ken5050 (Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but just about every terrorist is a Muslim..)
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To: KoRn; All

Hollywood would turn it into a small scale “Bridge at Remagen.” George Segal was SOOOOOOOOOOO miscast in that role..


16 posted on 05/13/2013 3:46:02 AM PDT by ken5050 (Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but just about every terrorist is a Muslim..)
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To: Kartographer

The Germans were a practical bunch. Once many of them realized the war was lost to their side, they looked for ways to ‘switch sides’ or get captured safely. Unlike the Japanese who fought to the death.


17 posted on 05/13/2013 3:48:57 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Kartographer

WW II ping!


18 posted on 05/13/2013 3:50:55 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: ArtDodger

The Germans were mainly good folk who sat by and let their country be taken over by the fascist because they were complacent. They then were forced to do what “the country” was doing or be an enemy of their own state.

See any similarities with what is happening today?


19 posted on 05/13/2013 6:07:53 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: trubolotta

It’s good that you’ve written us all off as good-for-nothings. ;)


20 posted on 05/13/2013 6:44:17 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Resolute Conservative
****The Germans were mainly good folk who sat by and let their country be taken over by the fascist because they were complacent.****

I found an interesting AMERICAN cartoon of the checks that Germany put in place to control Hitler back in 1932. It did not work out well for them.


21 posted on 05/13/2013 8:16:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Kartographer
Steven Spielberg, how did you miss this story?

That would make a hell of a movie.

22 posted on 05/13/2013 8:46:52 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: GreyFriar

Ping to an unusual bit of history.


23 posted on 05/13/2013 10:43:47 AM PDT by zot
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To: ken5050

The unexplained part of the event is whether the Nazis who were attacking Schloss Itter were under orders due to the high value targets inside (or perhaps the need to suicide some of their own diehard fighters), or just there lashing out by chance at a remote outpost where they had the last numerical advantage of the war.

Who would have even *known* that the Dachau outpost had some American soldiers inside? No U.S. flag was flown above the castle, though the U.S. tank would have been appropriately marked (gotta get close to know that, though).

Happenstance or under orders?


24 posted on 05/13/2013 12:14:17 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ken5050

Reading Band of Brothers, the American GIs found out they had more in common with the German people than any other group of people they encountered after the war.


25 posted on 05/13/2013 3:54:49 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Kartographer. Page on the 17th Waffen SS, Wiki-wacky's list of Waffen SS divisions.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


26 posted on 05/13/2013 5:46:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Hindenberg needed a small party to partner with in order to form a gov’t, and selected the Nazis, reassuring his colleagues, “don’t worry, I can handle Hitler.” Oops.


27 posted on 05/13/2013 5:52:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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12th Armored Division, 23rd Tank Battalion, Company A

http://www.12tharmoredmuseum.com/mb/default.asp?forums=12th%20Armored%20Division&topic=511


28 posted on 05/13/2013 5:56:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: trubolotta
I have always wondered why Wendell Fertig never had movie made about him.

If you don't know who he is look him up.

Talk about a guy who gave the Japs fits!

29 posted on 05/13/2013 5:58:17 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Join AAAA : Americans Against Acronym Abuse)
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To: SunkenCiv; Ruy Dias de Bivar

IIRC, the liberal dream of broad democracy and a fecundity of small parties had finally arrived in Germany. It was that splintering of German politics into minute identity groups that allowed the Nazis to win a minority-majority election.

Not learning from history...


30 posted on 05/13/2013 6:49:26 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


31 posted on 05/14/2013 4:59:00 AM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: Kartographer

bookmark


32 posted on 05/14/2013 6:04:58 AM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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To: Kartographer
It's interesting that these people ended up German prisoners slated for execution. With the notable exception of Reynaud, most of them supported the armistice rather than continue to resist the Germans.

The place is near the famous Kitzbuhel ski resort.

33 posted on 05/14/2013 10:26:46 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv
Hindenberg needed a small party to partner with in order to form a gov’t, and selected the Nazis, reassuring his colleagues, “don’t worry, I can handle Hitler.” Oops.

Meanwhile, Von Papen was using Hitler to get back at his rival Von Schleicher. And Hitler took advantage of the bickering to engineer a behind-the-scenes coup.

34 posted on 05/14/2013 10:30:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kartographer

Great post!


35 posted on 05/14/2013 11:43:53 AM PDT by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny. The America you knew is gone. Denial serves no purpose.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow! What an amazing story. Yes, it would make a great pic, but Hollywood would turn it into a distortion.


36 posted on 05/20/2013 5:13:12 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: njslim

...and the protaganist/hero would be gay.


37 posted on 05/22/2013 8:43:15 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Sivad
"The untold WWII story which should be made into a feature film is the Los Banos Raid. Over 2100 starving, mostly American civilians were rescued from a Japanese prison camp on Luzon by a company of US paratroopers (B Co511PIR/11th AB), 11th AB Recon, Filipino guerillas and transported to safety across a very large body of water on 23 Feb ‘45."

If I recall correctly, there was a young paratrooper involved in that operation by the name of Rod Serling...


38 posted on 05/22/2013 8:54:56 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Good that you are aware that Rod Serling was a member
of the 511PIR. However, he was attached to Headquarters Co.
The specific company which parachuted on Los Banos was B Co
which, by the way, was commanded by Lt John Ringler. Johnny
Ringler had previously served as a Lt in H Co & was paymaster.
My father served as his bodyguard on paydays.

Serling was not involved in the Los Banos Raid. At the time he
would have been with the rest of 511th fighting on the southern
outskirts of Manila. Having stated all that I would have to add that
B Co was fortified with additional mortar and machine gun teams.
It is this caveat that has made it possible for all sorts of people
to claim that they made the Los Banos jump.

On another Serling related note, a biographer stated that Rod
was on the regimental boxing team. My father was also on the
boxing team and never recalled him even though they would
have been the same wt class. Boxing coach (and future pres of
the intl trial lawyers assn) Foster Arnett, didn’t recall Serling
either. I posess a 511th yearbook with photos of all of the
original 511th troopers by company and Serling’s photo is
included. The 511 vets formed an assn in the early 80s and
began having regular reunions. Unfortunately Rod Serling
had passed away in app 1974.

You are probably sorry you brought it up.....!


39 posted on 05/22/2013 10:10:50 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Kartographer

World War II movies are so... ‘America-when-America-was-still-America’ -ish.
Nothing about this story would interest liberal Democrat Hollywood.

Ubama has been elected and re-elected.

Nowadays we have a sodomized, feminized military and a socialist welfare state populated by moochers, cretins, ingrates, and parasites who have absolutely no respect for the military and who vote for big government to confiscate money from their neighbors so that it may be “redistributed” to them in exchange for their votes.

It’s the new, Democrat America. Congratulations to the Democrats.


40 posted on 05/22/2013 10:20:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Sivad

Interesting post.

Another TV / military connection I always found interesting was the story of Donald Bellisario, producer of Magnum, PI, Airwolf, Quantum Leap, JAG, and NCIS. He served in the Marines with Lee Oswald.

A baseball / military story I like is the one about Pirates Hall-of-Famer, Roberto Clemente. He served 6 years as a weekend warrior in the Marine Corps Reserve.


41 posted on 05/22/2013 10:26:59 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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