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8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
Pacific Standard ^ | March 17, 2015, updated June 14, 2017 | Francie Diep

Posted on 12/20/2021 3:19:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv

An analysis of modern DNA uncovers a rough dating scene after the advent of agriculture.

Once upon a time, 4,000 to 8,000 years after humanity invented agriculture, something very strange happened to human reproduction. Across the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same...

Another member of the research team, a biological anthropologist, hypothesizes that somehow, only a few men accumulated lots of wealth and power, leaving nothing for others. These men could then pass their wealth on to their sons, perpetuating this pattern of elitist reproductive success. Then, as more thousands of years passed, the numbers of men reproducing, compared to women, rose again...

The team uncovered this dip-and-rise in the male-to-female reproductive ratio by looking at DNA from more than 450 volunteers from seven world regions. Geneticists analyzed two parts of the DNA, Y-chromosome DNA and mitochondrial DNA. These don't make up a large portion of a person's genetics, but they're special because people inherit Y-chromosome DNA exclusively from their male ancestors and mitochondrial DNA exclusively from their female ancestors. By analyzing diversity in these parts, scientists are able to deduce the numbers of female and male ancestors a population has. It's always more female.

So much for what our DNA can tell us. This study, published last week in the journal Genome Research, can't directly account for why the dip occurred...

Nature is a harsh taskmaster, but so, it seems, is human culture. Although the popular notion is that farming and settlement cushioned people against "survival of the fittest," this study shows that's not true. Something cultural happened 8,000 years ago that's marked us even today.

(Excerpt) Read more at psmag.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; dna; franciediep; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; pacificstandard; polygamy; women
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To: SunkenCiv

i dont believe it...


21 posted on 12/20/2021 3:31:09 PM PST by sit-rep ( )
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To: Rurudyne
[singing] Nothing you could say could make the world stray from that guy.

22 posted on 12/20/2021 3:32:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

An exceedingly strange headline.

Does it mean that each guy had 8000 females?

Or?


23 posted on 12/20/2021 3:32:22 PM PST by Veto! (Political Correctness offends me)
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To: SunkenCiv
In theory you should have exactly equal proportions of male and female ancestors, but if some of your ancestors married people related to them, then you start getting some of the same individuals on more than one ancestral line. This obviously happened a lot when most people lived in small villages and usually married someone from the same village or a nearby village.

This study would indicate that 8000 years ago, your family tree would show the same male ancestor many more times than it would show a given female ancestor.

24 posted on 12/20/2021 3:32:45 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

So when did women decide that “you’re not good enough?” Asking for a friend.


25 posted on 12/20/2021 3:32:49 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: BenLurkin

Off course, zeese vomen vould haff to be chozzen on ze bazzis off zer reproductive potential.


26 posted on 12/20/2021 3:32:56 PM PST by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: SunkenCiv
Two things were happening.

Low value males were not reproducing because women were not picking them. Given a choice women will pick a guy who is able to provide for the offspring.

The second is that a lot of men DID die trying to move up the ladder so the women would pick them.

They took chances, they died.

27 posted on 12/20/2021 3:33:59 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (add a dab of lavender in milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing with it)
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To: momtothree

Guess this proves we are all inbreds.


28 posted on 12/20/2021 3:36:56 PM PST by oldasrocks
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe 16 of those 17 men figured it wasn’t worth it to support 16 nagging women.


29 posted on 12/20/2021 3:37:49 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

As the old folks around here used to say, a mother can always claim her own, a father takes his by faith alone. Also, in prehistoric times, I’d make the wild guess that the men had more to say about mating that even the most rabid feminazi says prevails today.

Change in Ph has an impact on which (X or Y) wins that first race, so that probably had an impact. A relatively small skew over a pretty long period of time (and short onset of next generations) could easily put a lot of men into the local pool, and additional women had to be found.


30 posted on 12/20/2021 3:38:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Jim Noble
We are kind of heading back in that direction. Men serving 40 years in prison have more children than men working 40 hours a week.

You provided an example. Another one is Elon Musk. He's so wealthy that he can afford to have as many kids as he wants and women are attracted to that.

Elon Musk is a provider type.

A criminal is an alpha type.

90% of us are betas or worker bees, whatever you prefer to call us.

A paternalistic society that we saw in the U.S. back in the '50s worked out the best for everybody. Men were expected to go to work and provide for the family. Women were expected to take care of the family.

What's interesting is that men were happier back then than today. But women are happier today than in the past. But it's clear that the society we are living in will not sustain in the long term. Immigration is propping us up.

31 posted on 12/20/2021 3:41:11 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: SunkenCiv

“momma’s baby and daddy’s maybe”


32 posted on 12/20/2021 3:41:58 PM PST by AbolishCSEU (Amount of "child" support paid is inversely proportionate to mother's actual parenting of children)
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To: momtothree
So if one man had children with that many women... I assume most of these women were all living in a general area (i.e. near each other?) So we are all descendents of inbreds? Wouldn’t those children grow up and have children with each other?

They seem to have evolved into democrats.

33 posted on 12/20/2021 3:43:18 PM PST by granite (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
While they were out hunting and gathering, cave-nerd sewed his seed.

And because he did, you can conjugate verbs.
34 posted on 12/20/2021 3:43:20 PM PST by Blogatron (I don’t know how to be less white, but I do know how to buy less Coke.)
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To: Trumpet 1
It does appear that the higher ups did have more rights than others.

The pertinant right here being ius primae noctis - nudge nudge, wink wink.

35 posted on 12/20/2021 3:44:34 PM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well...reproducing can kill a woman. Rarely kills a man. Of the women who died, their descendants aren’t around so much. Particularly if the woman dies on the first effort. For that matter, the babies born to very young females are less likely to survive and thrive, and the same goes for mothers if there’s no modern medical skill.


36 posted on 12/20/2021 3:48:55 PM PST by Buttons12 ( )
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To: G Larry

hey, didjahear? charlie chucked his spear, hit the mastadon in the ear, it stomped charlie, charlie no more here.


37 posted on 12/20/2021 3:50:02 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: SunkenCiv
Once upon a time, 4,000 to 8,000 years after humanity invented agriculture, something very strange happened to human reproduction. Across the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same...

How is this very strange? This is the pattern for most animals - the most successful males pass their genes on via as many females as possible. The less successful males do not get an opportunity to breed at all.
38 posted on 12/20/2021 3:50:28 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Lazamataz

“And that one man, was my ancestor.”

They just told you that to make you feel better.


39 posted on 12/20/2021 3:54:23 PM PST by dljordan (Slouching towards Woketopia)
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To: SunkenCiv

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3904898/posts

It seems the CCP is being attributed a form of Woke.


40 posted on 12/20/2021 4:03:44 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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