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Forgotten Prelude To WW1 -- Italo-Turkish War 1911-1912 (History Documentary) [31:39]
YouTube ^ | 2022 | The Great War [Jesse Alexander]

Posted on 01/05/2023 7:31:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv

[snip] The Italo-Turkish War 1911 was one of the last classic imperial wars over colonial processions between two great powers. But it was in many ways also a first glimpse into what would come during the First World War: trenches, artillery, combat aircraft, motorboat attacks. This war in Ottoman Libya was fought between the Italian Army and Ottoman-led local Senussi forces. [/snip]
Forgotten Prelude To WW1 -- Italo-Turkish War 1911-1912 (History Documentary)
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0:00Mass use of artillery, a grinding strategic stalemate, the first use of combat aircraft
0:06and naval operations in the Dardanelles! I am not talking about the First World War, but a war just before it that marked a major
0:14turning point in European geopolitics and in the history of warfare. It destabilized the Balkans, and moved the Great Powers of Europe further down the road
0:24of rivalry, distrust, and militarization. It's the Italo-Turkish War of 1911-1912.
0:35Hi, I'm Jesse Alexander and Welcome to the Great War.
0:49Following Italian unification in 1871, nationalist movements in the new Kingdom continued to
0:55call for further expansion. Under the banner of "New Italy" nationalists dreamed of the reconstitution of the Roman
1:02Empire through imperial expansion in the Mediterranean. But it was Britain and France who ended up expanding their influence in the region in
1:11the late 19th century. Italian imperialists looked on with dismay in 1882 as France took control of Tunisia
1:19and Britain occupied Egypt. The Moroccan crisis of summer 1911 was a clear sign that imperial competition in the Mediterranean
1:27was still alive and well. This left Ottoman Libya (the provinces of Tripolitania, Cyrenaica and Fezzan) as the
1:35one viable Italian target in North Africa, and some Italians worried the French or British
1:42might take it before they had the chance. Italy did expand its soft power via banks, schools, and hospitals in Libya, but diplomats
1:50like Tommaso Tittoni called for military action: "Tripolitania is necessary to Italy for
1:58the Mediterranean balance. We could wait if there were not the danger that we might lose it, and indeed we waited
2:05patiently until such danger appeared on the horizon. Today this danger begins to take shape, and with the passage of time it will grow more
2:16severe. Thus the occupation of Tripolitania imposes itself upon us as an unavoidable necessity."
2:24(Caccamo 28) The Ottomans knew about Italy's ambitions and tried to avoid the worst by granting Italy economic concessions.
2:32But these offers couldn't hide the empire's weakness: it had suffered decades of economic and military decline, and political divisions caused by the Young Turk revolution of 1908
2:43and failed counter-coup by the Sultan in 1909. Ottoman Minister to Rome Seifeddin Bey understood things with Italy were unlikely to end at
2:52the negotiating table: "The concessions that we make to the Italians in our African provinces will do nothing but increase their appetite and offer them occasion
3:03to intervene… Italian appetite is not satiable, and whatever concessions or facilitations will be fatally
3:11followed by others. In this way, the sacrifices that we might undertake will have no outcome but to represent
3:18temporary satisfactions, without lasting effects." (Caccamo 24) With tensions rising in 1911, Italian Prime Minister Giovani Giolitti and Foreign Minister
3:28Antonio di San Giuliano went on a public relations and diplomatic offensive to win over nationalist
3:35support. The press reported on Ottoman supposed insults to Italian commercial interests and citizens
3:41in Libya, which were grossly exaggerated. Giolitti though, was still cautious: "The Nationalists imagine that Tripoli is
3:50the territory of a poor black simpleton whom a European state can dethrone as he wishes.
3:57But Tripoli is a province of the Ottoman Empire and the Ottoman Empire is a great European
4:03power." (Vandervort 14) Despite his hesitations, Giolitti felt he was running out of time.
4:09Not only was there the danger of British or French action, but Italy's allies were against weakening the Ottomans.
4:15Austria-Hungary wanted stability in the Balkans, and Germany wanted a strong Ottoman Empire
4:21in case of war with the Entente. So the Italian government struck a deal with the French: France wouldn't interfere in
4:28Libya, and Italy wouldn't interfere in Tunisia and Morocco. Meanwhile the Ottomans had actually moved troops away from Libya to deal with a rebellion
4:37in Yemen, though they did bring in weapons to arm the locals in Libya in anticipation
4:42of the coming conflict. On September 27, 1911, Giolitti gave the Ottomans an ultimatum based on supposed bias against
4:51Italian business interests: agree to Italian occupation of Libya within 24 hours, or face
4:58military action. So Italy had thrown down the gauntlet in its quest for imperial glory in Libya.
5:05The Ottoman government offered some further concessions, but the Italians rejected them and the ultimatum expired on September 28 – it would be war.
5:15The Italo-Turkish War began with a somewhat reluctant-sounding announcement from Giolitti:
5:20"The Italian Government, therefore, finding itself forced to safeguard its dignity and
5:25its interests, has decided to proceed to the military occupation of Tripoli and Cyrenaica.
5:32This solution is the only one which Italy can accept…" (Hindmarsh, 112) The Italian military now had to arrange an
5:39invasion on extremely short notice, since they weren't fully aware of government plans until September.
5:46All the same between October 3 and 21, 1911 25,000 Italian troops landed along the coast
5:53and captured Tripoli, Tobruk, Berna, Benghazi and Homs. At first, Ottoman resistance was generally light since they were outgunned and outnumbered.
6:03The Italian landings had been successful, but advancing into the Libyan hinterland would
6:08prove far more difficult. The Italians knew so little about the interior, some of their planning documents even used
6:16ancient sources like Caesar for topographic and demographic information.
6:22Italian leaders hoped that by seizing the towns, they could force the Ottomans to surrender. Instead, the Ottomans simply withdrew in good order beyond the range of Italian naval guns.
6:32As Italian soldier Innocenzo Bianchi wrote, the invasion barely seemed to be a war at
6:38all: "I believe that it is not real war but little attacks and soon we shall overcome . . . Overall I'm very happy and you'll see that it
6:48will be finished very soon." (Wilcox - The Italian Soldiers' experience in Libya, 1911-12 - 45) Bianchi was killed in action just six days later.
6:55One factor the Italian plan had not taken into account was the local Arab population.
7:01Italian planners assumed the Arabs would welcome them as liberators from Ottoman oppression,
7:06and did not expect local resistance – which turned out to be a mistake.
7:12So by late October, the Italians were feeling confident – they had captured the coast, and the Ottomans had seemingly fled the field.
7:20But instead of capitulating as the Italians expected, the Ottomans and Arabs made common
7:26cause. Militarily, the Italians seemed to be in a strong position. The Italian conscripts brought with them several new pieces of equipment, like their modern
7:35grey-green uniform and the Modello 91 magazine rifle. Both of these pieces of kit, with some modifications, would continue in service until 1945.
7:47The Italians also had the support of the large naval guns of the Italian ships offshore,
7:53as well as Maxim machine-guns and German-built Krupp artillery. Estimates on the number of Ottoman troops vary greatly: there were probably somewhere
8:02between 2500 and 5000 Ottoman regulars and 20 to 35,000 Arab tribesmen under the command
8:09of local Sheikhs of the Senusi Sufi order. They also had German artillery but had no heavy naval guns to back them up.
8:18Their Model 1893 Mauser was considered superior to that of the Italians because of its larger
8:23calibre. British doctor Ernest Griffin was with the Turkish Red Crescent in Libya and explained
8:29why: "The injuries produced by the small [6.5 mm] conical bullets used by the Italians were scarcely ever severe, and if the wounds had
8:40not been infected … we had the satisfaction of soon sending our Arab patients back to
8:45their duties in the field." (Griffin 62) Ottoman forces identified what they felt was a weakness in the fortified Italian line near
8:53Tripoli. Italian trenches in this area did not run through the usual scrubland, but directly
8:59through an oasis, which could provide cover for advancing Ottoman troops. Additionally, the Italians had not built many fortifications around the settlement of Shar
9:08al-Shatt. On October 23rd, supported by diversionary attacks to the south, Ottoman forces attacked
9:15a 6-kilometre stretch of front between Fort Sidi-Messri and the sea.
9:20Around 1,800 men of the 11th Bersaglieri Regiment were awakened at 7am by the sound of gunfire
9:29and dogs barking. As the Italians scrambled to man their positions, local Arabs came out of Shar al-Shatt and
9:36attacked them from behind. Italian soldier Evangelista Salvatore recalled the shock:
9:42"The Saraceni seemed to rise out of the earth on every side of us:" (Stephenson)
9:49Italian reinforcements arrived late and eventually beat back the Ottomans – but Italian losses were heavy.
9:56At least 21 officers and 482 men were killed, including 250 who were massacred in a cemetery
10:04after they'd surrendered. Some of the bodies had been mutilated. Officially, the Italian General Staff downplayed the setback:
10:12"Our losses were not light, but justified by the result, and showed that the morale
10:18of our troops was excellent:" (Tittoni, 29) The Italian response on the ground was swift and brutal, as they executed around 4,000
10:28Arabs by firing squad in the following days. Shar al-Shatt and other guerilla raids caused the Italian government to increase the expeditionary
10:36force to 100,000 men, far more than planned – they even brought in askaris from Eritrea.
10:44Giolitti also escalated the war politically, and announced the full annexation of Libya
10:50on November 5th. This was mostly a symbolic gesture, since the Italians only controlled the coast, but
10:57historian Bruce Vandevort argues it ensured that the war would continue: "In retrospect, [the annexation] appears to have virtually assured that the Turks would
11:06have no option but to continue fighting." (Vandervort, 20) The Battle of Shar al-Shatt was a major psychological blow for Italy.
11:15They had held their position, but it was a defeat that showed the war would not be as quick as they'd hoped.
11:22By the late fall of 1911, the Italo-Turkish War had ground to a stalemate.
11:28The Ottomans couldn't expel the Italians, but the Italians couldn't force a decisive battle because the Ottomans and Arabs began to wage a full-on guerilla war.
11:38Italian naval supremacy also meant the Turks couldn't send reinforcements, but they did manage to sneak in shipments of arms and a small group of volunteer officers, including
11:48Enver Bey and Mustafa Kemal. Kemal made it to Libya by sailing to Egypt on a Russian ship and disguising himself as
11:56a journalist. Despite the previous struggles the Arab tribes had with the Ottomans, the two now worked
12:03together against the Italian invaders. Ottoman commander Enver Bey and tribal leader Sheikh Omar al-Mukhtar committed to the guerilla
12:11strategy: keep the Italians pinned in the coastal towns and exhaust them through attrition.
12:18Kemal, who was wounded in the eye, operated in the Derna sector and used his 9000 men
12:24to keep 15,000 Italians busy. The Ottomans wanted to continue to dominate the Arabs, but also saw much value in their
12:33allies, as Enver Bey expressed: "I have become the master of the situation.
12:40Into my hands has fallen a power [the Sanusiya], a force for which the various powers of Europe,
12:47the Italians, the French, the English spend millions to have in their hands.
12:53Even the Khedive had tried to appropriate and employ them against us. And thus, this force has come to me without my spending a dime."
13:03(McCollum) Arab leader Farhat al-Zawi made the somewhat different Arab motivations clear to a French reporter:
13:10‘[Our men are] patriots in bare feet and rags, like your soldiers of the revolution,
13:16and not religious fanatics […] if the Turkish government abandons us we will proclaim that
13:22it has forfeited its right over our country. We will form the Republic of Tripolitania.'
13:28(Stephenson) Italian commanders wanted to push into the desert, but they lacked the intelligence and logistics, had poor desert equipment, and
13:37were vulnerable to the guerillas. So instead they advanced little by little, digging trenches as they went – sometimes
13:44as often as every 100 meters – one British journalist called it "purely imbecile."
13:51In December, the Italians tried to bring the Turks and Arabs to a decisive battle at Ain
13:57Zara, an Ottoman base on the high ground with commanding views around Tripoli.
14:02The Italian attack opened on December 4th with around 15,000 men supported by heavy
14:08artillery and naval guns. Two assault columns of Italian infantry advanced on the rudimentary Ottoman trenches, with
14:15one running into some difficulty. The defenders were forced to abandoned the trenches and were then hit hard in the open
14:23by Italian artillery fire. The Ottomans withdrew 40 kilometres to the south, but the Italian cavalry failed to surround
14:32them. This allowed the Ottomans to escape once again, but they did leave much of their artillery
14:37behind. The Italian authorities and government-friendly newspapers trumpeted Ain Zara as a major victory,
14:44while journalists from neutral states were quick to point out Ain Zara was only a few
14:49kilometres from the Italian lines. Even though the Ottomans lost at Ain Zara, they were becoming more confident.
14:57Time appeared to be on their side, and there was always more desert to withdraw into if need be.
15:03Meanwhile, as the Italians advanced, their morale dropped and disease spread, as Enver
15:10Bey well knew: "... Sometimes there come deserters who say very interesting things of the Italians.
15:17Almost everyday Italian losses from "dysentery" are about 20 men. The hospitals are full.
15:24The morale of the troops is low and all want peace." (Childs 135) From December to March, the Italians made
15:31a few more landings to consolidated their position and intercept Turkish gun shipments,
15:37but these actions were simply meant to boost public support back home. As the war dragged on, Italian media interest did not weaken.
15:45In fact, press coverage was unprecedented for a modern conflict and one aspect grabbed
15:51headlines more than any other: the war in the air. ADDITION "On October 23rd, supported by diversionary attacks to the south, Ottoman forces attacked
15:56a 6-kilometre stretch of front between Fort Sidi-Messri and the sea." The Italo-Turkish War saw the first significant wartime use of airplanes for reconnaissance and bombing.
16:03The Italian First Aeroplane Flotilla had nine machines including Blériot and Nieuport monoplanes
16:09plus 11 pilots. On October 23rd, Captain Carlo Piazza made the first ever official combat flight when
16:16he reconnoitered Ottoman positions along the coast. And on November 1st, Italians made the first ever bombing raid when pilots dropped Cipelli
16:25grenades into Ottoman camps. On October 25th, Ottoman gunners became the first to hit an enemy combat aircraft with
16:33anti-aircraft fire. Although such fire was usually inaccurate, Captain Giuseppi Rossi experienced a close
16:40call: "We flew at an altitude of 600 metres and had covered 15 kilometres when we spotted the first group of Arab tents.
16:49These welcomed us with such a volley of accurate fire that I had half a mind to give up continuing
16:55the mission... At 100 metres away from the centre of the camp I gave the second signal […] It was
17:01a wonderful sight: the bomb had erupted with the intended effect.
17:06But the joy of this perception was severely impaired by the incessant crackle of the volley
17:12of fire aimed at us… . I tried to climb but was unsuccessful, and so was passing over the left side of the camp
17:20when my companion shouted that he was wounded. I had turned around to look at him when the engine stopped and we began to descend.
17:28Happily it started again, but we were struck by two more bullets." (Stephenson)
17:34Although aerial bombing grabbed public attention, its military effects were relatively minor.
17:39Reconnaissance, whether from fixed-wing aircraft or balloons, was far more valuable to Italian
17:46operations. The photos they took supplemented the limited maps of the region, and on several occasions
17:51planes were able discover and disrupt attempted Ottoman ambushes.
17:56But above all else, the Italian effort showed aircraft were robust and reliable enough to
18:03be used in war. As the conflict dragged on into 1912, the Italians now looked not to the air, but to
18:10the sea to bring the conflict to an end. But as the war expanded, it inevitably clashed with the interests of the other European Great
18:18Powers. The first targets of the Italian naval strategy to defeat the Ottomans were in the Red Sea
18:24and the Gulf of Aden. Italy had already attacked Ottoman ports in the area in fall 1911, but in January 1912
18:33the Italian navy sank several Ottoman ships and delivered weapons to rebellious anti-Ottoman
18:38groups in Yemen and Saudi Arabia. In February, Italian and Ottoman ships fought a pitched naval battle in Beirut harbour,
18:46resulting in a decisive Italian victory and 66 Beirut residents killed.
18:52In April 1912, the Italians also sent a flotilla to the Dardanelles straits, a vital international
18:59shipping lane giving access to the Ottoman capital of Constantinople.
19:04Following some inconclusive duels between the Italian navy and Ottoman shore batteries, the Ottomans closed and mined the straits to prevent a threat to the capital.
19:14This drew the attention of Britain and especially Russia, whose economy depended on shipping
19:19passing through the Dardanelles. This put pressure on both the Italians and the Ottomans, but it was the Ottomans who
19:27were forced to reopen the straits to shipping. Austria-Hungary was also worried about the war since they wanted to keep the status quo
19:35in the Balkans, which was also enshrined in the Triple Alliance with Germany and Italy.
19:41If the Ottomans lost too badly, the Balkans might erupt. The Ottomans though were not able to take advantage of the divisions among the Europeans.
19:51The Empire was diplomatically isolated, and the Young Turk regime was badly divided between
19:56those who were still loyal to the Sultan and those who supported the revolutionary committee of Union and Progess.
20:03In 1911 and 1912, there were 3 different Grand Viziers and 3 different Foreign Ministers.
20:11Despite the political risks, Italian leadership still felt in May 1912 that naval operations
20:17were the key to victory – so much so that operations in Libya were suspended in favor
20:23of a series of amphibious landings on Turkey's doorstep. The Italian command now turned to the Ottomans' island possessions in the East Mediterranean.
20:33If they took Rhodes and the Dodecanese, Ottoman routes to Libya and naval options would be
20:39further reduced. Admiral Carlo Rocca Rey was also thinking of the diplomatic advantages as early as October
20:471911: "[…] I think it might be useful for us in the current war to occupy some part of the Ottoman Empire that will compel them to
20:56accept peace. Unfortunately we do not have a free hand and so we cannot act, for example, on the west-coast
21:04of the Balkan peninsula, or, by forcing the Dardanelles, go to Constantinople […] But
21:10we can […] take some island, as a bargaining counter at least.
21:16Strategically the island of Rhodes would be most valuable..." (Stephenson) This was another risky move, since the islands
21:23were covered by the same Triple Alliance status quo agreement as the Balkans. The Italians tried to calm Austrian fears, and eventually Austria-Hungary agreed to a
21:32temporary occupation of the islands. And the Austrians only allowed even that under pressure from Germany - who wanted to strengthen
21:40the triple alliance before it came up for renewal in 1912. Between April 28th and May 21st, 1912, the Italians seized 13 Ottoman islands in the
21:51Aegean with nearly no opposition, except on Rhodes.
21:56The Italian gamble worked, since the occupation of the islands increased Ottoman internal divisions between those who wanted to continue the struggle and those who wanted a negotiated
22:06peace. So in the summer of 1912 it seemed there might be a road to the peace table, but there were
22:13obstacles: the Italians were reluctant to compromise and had already announced Libyan
22:19annexation, while the Ottomans expected major concessions since they had not been fully
22:25defeated. Russian-led peace talks in May failed, and a new round of talks began in Switzerland
22:32in June. The Ottomans were willing to accept Libya becoming an independent state within an Italian
22:38zone of occupation. Italian demands were far more substantial, so the Swiss talks also fell through.
22:46One Italian diplomat put the blame on his Turkish counterpart: "[The Ottoman delegate] had in his baggage only .... one word: autonomy" (Childs 163)
22:57But internal pressure in Italy was also growing. The war was becoming less popular, especially among the working class, and rumours of talks
23:05increased demands for peace. Italian soldiers were also tired of the war, and there was unrest in the trenches and even
23:13desertions. The fact that the war was costing Italy 47% of its total expenditure was also helping
23:20to turn the formerly pro-war newspapers against it. On July 18, the Italians tried one last action to force the Ottomans to the negotiating table.
23:325 specially camouflaged Italian torpedo boats snuck into the Dardanelles to attack the Turkish
23:38fleet at anchor – not unlike the Italian motorboat attacks against the Austro-Hungarian
23:43navy a few years later. Ottoman sentries spotted them and drove them away, but the Italian press exaggerated the
23:51raid to make it sound like a bold strike against the heart of the enemy state.
23:57Journalist Giuseppe Bevione was not present during the attack but waxed poetic:
24:02"The water boiled around the torpedo boats from stem to stern, and jets of water flew
24:09high as shells fell with horrible thuds, as if volcanic eruptions were flashing inexhaustibly
24:16beneath the water […] The air was full of flashes, of flames, explosions, and splinters.
24:24Convulsive, foaming, full of glare and reflections, the sea seemed to become a huge fiery furnace.
24:33But at the zenith shone always the star of Italy." (Stephenson) The Dardanelles raid marked the height of
24:40Italian naval adventures, and peace talks started up again in August. The new Ottoman government under Gazi Muhtar Pasha was willing to negotiate, partly because
24:50of pressure from other Powers and the outbreak of the First Balkan War in early October.
24:57The Ottomans still wanted to avoid any peace deal that gave the impression they'd abandoned the Libyan Arabs, since that might cause problems in other Arab regions of the empire.
25:07The peace treaty ending the Italo-Turkish War was signed on October 18, 1912. The Ottomans declared Libya independent to avoid accepting Italian sovereignty over it,
25:19but they would not object when Italy then declared that sovereignty. The Sultan would continue to be recognized as the religious head of Libyan muslims.
25:29The Italians promised to return the Aegean islands and pay some reparations.
25:34The other European Powers quickly recognized Italian control over Libya.
25:39So Italy had won the Italo-Turkish War and taken Libya from the Ottoman Empire.
25:45When peace was announced, the Italian elites, like popular contemporary historian Cesare Causa, were overjoyed: "Praise be to God.
25:55We are longer "nothing": We are an old people that has found its youth and strength;
26:02we are a great nation." (Vandervort 23) The majority of Italians were less enthusiastic.
26:09The war had not brought the impressive victory they'd been promised, and proved costly in blood and treasure.
26:163,500 Italians had died, mostly from disease, and 4,250 were wounded.
26:22The victory did little to improve Italy's military reputation with the other Great Powers,
26:29and its new possession was not easy to govern. Libyan Arabs would go on to resist Italian rule for years, and the Italian authorities
26:38brutally repressed them in response. Italy would also refuse to give up the Aegean islands on the grounds of the increased costs
26:46of the Libyan occupation. For the Ottomans, losing their last African province reinforced their reputation as the
26:54so-called "sick man," but they managed to save some face with the complicated arrangement
26:59in Libya, and losing control of the region actually improved their finances.
27:05They suffered a similar number of military killed and wounded as the Italians despite Italian military superiority.
27:12The suffering of Libyan people was, however, significant, and special refugee offices were
27:18set up in Constantinople for those fleeing Italian repression. The Italo-Turkish War was the last typical 19th century imperial small war, but it also
27:29hinted at what was to come in 1914. It featured trenches, machine guns, airplanes, the first tactical use of armored cars, Italian
27:39torpedo boat attacks, and a stalemate – though actual combat was not comparable to the First
27:45World War. The war also saw a guerilla force successfully resist a larger and more powerful conventional
27:53force, which forced the stronger power to seek victory by means other than a decisive
27:59battle. In fact the very same Senussi Arabs would also fight with the Ottomans in 1914-1918.
28:07The war in the air influenced military thought - the war was referenced in the founding charter
28:13of the British Royal Flying Corps, and the Dardanelles would be a key objective of the
28:18British in 1915. The Italo-Turkish War, just as Austria had feared, did indeed destabilize the Balkans
28:27and helped bring about the Balkan Wars. Giolitti himself had worried about just such a scenario in 1911:
28:35"The integrity of the Ottoman Empire is a condition for Europe's balance and peace.
28:42Is it truly in Italy's interest to shatter into pieces one of the corner-stones of the
28:47old building? And what if, after we attack Turkey, the Balkans move as well?
28:54And what if a Balkan war causes a clash among the groups of powers and a European war?
29:00Could we take upon ourselves the responsibility for igniting the gunpowder?" (Caccamo 24-25) The Italo-Turkish War alone did not start
29:09the First World War – but it was one of the sparks that lit the long fuse of 1914.
29:17The conflicts and crises that led to the First World War have been the source of endless debate amongst historians, and we're happy to be covering some of the prequel wars on
29:27The Great War channel. One title on the topic I enjoyed was The War that Ended Peace: the Road to 1914 by Anglo-Canadian
29:36historian Margaret Macmillan, who is also well-known for her work on Versailles.
29:42It tells the story of Europe's path to disaster through its diplomacy, leading personalities,
29:47culture and crises in Macmillan's extremely readable style – which is also a very listenable
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1 posted on 01/05/2023 7:31:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 01/05/2023 7:32:51 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I learned about the Italo-Turkish War in fifth grade because the first bombing raid by an airplane took place during that war.


3 posted on 01/05/2023 7:47:34 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

In the 1960s, the “Argosy” magazine (or, perhaps, “True”) had an article about a US pilot who hired himself out, with his biplane, to Pancho Villa, prior to the bandit’s raid on NM. I don’t think it was for combat, I believe it was for recon and message relay.


4 posted on 01/05/2023 8:05:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It was the beginning of the end for the Turkish Ottoman Empire. The Turks were driven out of Israel in 1917 by General Allenby of the British Expeditionary Forces, and paved the way for the re-birth of the State of Israel and a Jewish Homeland (as declared by the Balfour Declaration in 1917). Until 1917, Israel was part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire and was referred to as the Palestinian Province of Syria. After it was liberated by the British and French, the Palestinian Mandate was created in 1922 or 1923 (I think), and anyone in that territory was referred to as ‘Palestinian’. However, there has NEVER been a Palestinian State, I don’t believe there ever will be.


5 posted on 01/05/2023 8:20:08 AM PST by silent majority rising
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To: Fiji Hill

**I learned about the Italo-Turkish War in fifth grade**

In 1965, at Viola Elementary, in little Viola, IL, I learned that the new kid Duane was unafraid to rebel against Mrs Clippert.

Everybody knew: no chewing gum at school. She saw him chewing during class, and told him to “spit it out!”

He said, “no!”
She said, “why not?”
He said, “It a new piece!”
She walked over to his desk, proceeded to put him in a head lock, jammed her thumb in the side of his jaw (like when putting bit in a horse’s mouth), but he pulled loose.

She then locked hold of his wrist and dragged him out the door into the hall while he struggled to pull free. We could see her knocking on the 6th grade door. That was bad news, 6th teacher, Mrs Brown was the principal as well. That woman never smiled that we could recall. She was the ‘Ma Kettle’ of the teachers there.

They took him to the supply room and paddled him hard. Because the cast iron steam heat radiators carried noise throughout the building, the faint ‘bong, bong, bong’ led us to believe they were beating his head against the radiator in the supply room.

Turned out it was his shoes hitting it while putting up resistance to the punishment.

The good ol days, lol


6 posted on 01/05/2023 8:44:45 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: SunkenCiv

“The Italo-Turkish War was the last typical 19th century imperial small war, but it also hinted at what was to come in 1914. It featured trenches, machine guns, airplanes, the first tactical use of armored cars, Italian torpedo boat attacks, and a stalemate – though actual combat was not comparable to the First World War.”


7 posted on 01/05/2023 9:00:12 AM PST by Doctor Congo
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To: SunkenCiv

I always loved how in the Great War series, Indy always had a funny intro for every “Battle of the Isonzo River”. It kind of became a running gag.


8 posted on 01/05/2023 9:04:13 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: silent majority rising

There was an acceleration of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, but Bismarck’s treaty system had as part of its underlying motivation, big-power cooperation in the dismantling. It was already on the crumble.


9 posted on 01/05/2023 9:08:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: dfwgator

:^) Wow, 12 of those, I’d forgotten.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_the_Isonzo

interesting link there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Isonzo_(489)


10 posted on 01/05/2023 9:13:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I agree. The Young Turks took over in 1913 and tried to save what was left, but the Empire was so weakened defeat was inevitable.


11 posted on 01/05/2023 9:49:11 AM PST by silent majority rising
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To: silent majority rising

With Gallipoli (an eleven month campaign, 1915-1916), Ataturk rose to prominence, and though a Turkish victory of the British, the overall defeat of the Central Powers in 1918 made Turkish transition into what passed for a modern state possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turk_Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_campaign


12 posted on 01/05/2023 9:58:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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