Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) October 30-31, 2003

Various | October 30, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

TERRI'S FIGHT(Daily Thread 2 - October 30-31, 2003)Link back to thread 1 - October 29, 2003

Contained in thread 1:

Summary of Terri's bone scan, transcript from "On the Record" response from Bobby Schindler and Attny. Pat Anderson to Michael Schiavo's appearance on Larry King Live, link to where to search public records for Pinellas County (for a fee), information on Terri's Lights, link to transcript from Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, synopsis of radio interview with Michael Schiavo's brother in Pennsylvania, summary of interview with Pat Anderson on Michael Reagan's show, portion of testimony from Schiavo medical malpractice trial, some links to information on the Florida death cult, names and email address for the Florida Supreme Court, information on previous GAL, Richard Pearse, Jr., information on GAL currently being proposed Jay Wolfson and links back to earlier threads on the case. Of course this overview isn't comprehensive, but my main point in this section is to provide easy reference to what could be important information. Also, links to other websites focusing on Terri's fight can be found in thread 1, here.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions and for your dedication to this fight.

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Click on pic for Terri's Website.

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

FL_Engineer suggested that if you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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My apologies to (some of) the 'save Terri' posters here (a 'vanity' post)

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1

Inside right-to-die case, a woman's real life (a few days old but not posted on first thread)

Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN

What Should Happen With Terri S. (a "vanity" thread)

Schiavo lawyers challenge 'Terri's Law'

[cyn]

Barnett Bank Trust Company v. C. Stephen Igel MD, Pinellas County Circuit Case No. 92-939-15 -- http://www.terrisfight.org/Headlines/Civil_Lawsuit.htm

#107 has excerpt from St. Pete Times article -- http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/

Dr. Igel is still active in Pinellas Cty; seems is well regarded. I wondered if this went to trial because it seemed a weak case.

I've wondered if Felos has something on Greer as well. Greer is a two-term frmr Pinellas County commissioner. (http://www.terrisfight.org/Headlines/Civil_Lawsuit.htm)

[Graymatter]

Is Prudential out of business, or was there another insurer not on the website records? I don't know.

[cyn]

good work!

[Graymatter]

Could be Schiavo sued the doctor and the doctor was paid by HIS insurer, thus it would not appear in court records? And the doctor's insurer might be out of business?

[txrangerette]

Could the doctor(Gyn.) have just
acquiesced to the potassium thing
merely to settle it, not drag it
on & on, not spend $$$$$$$ trying
to blame MS for fear of losing the
case anyway? Happens, doesn't it?

Also, wasn't the issue what care
she got after her collapse? Not
the before part?

[lady lawyer]

He didn't settle anything if it went to a jury. He went for broke.

[lonevoice]

About post 107-"This is the kind of guy whose wedding vows are just that - vows," Fox said. "Ironically, Tuesday (the day of the verdict) was their eighth wedding anniversary."

I wonder if Fox made this comment before or after Michael Schiavo removed her wedding and engagement rings from Terri's hand and had them made into a ring for himself.

[kodani69]

I don't believe this ever went that far (jury)

[Budge]

On Feb. 24, 1990, after a year of treatment, Michael Schiavo heard a thud in the bathroom. When he went to see what happened, he found his wife crumpled on the floor. She had suffered a heart attack, Fox said.

Let me get this straight now. On LKL he heard the thump and found her at the bottom of the stairs.

Didn't he also say in another interview that he heard the thump and found her in the hallway?

Gee, it's so difficult to keep up with the lies!

[windchime]

Thanks for the ping, SL!

[Republic]

Well-this comment was printed in 1992-so it was probably just before....2,000,000 doesn't go very far when you promise to make someones life as good as possible with it and then decide, instead, to use it to fund attorneys willing to see that person murdered, legally.

He probably had the rings molded into a ring for Jodi. (Oh yikes---what if he didn't do that at all...but simply GAVE Jodi Terri's wedding ring? Wonder if the Schindler's ever looked at Jodi's finger when she was the prison guard, sent to watch them, as they visited Terri.

[Republic]

Wonder what is in his deposition or court testimony. This may really be something to hang that bastard with...where was it Michael....outside bedroom, bottom of stairs, or IN THE BATHROOM!!!?

[pickyourpoison]

I believe you can go to Florida Office of Insurance Regulation and check lawsuits on doctors.
I'm a computer illiterate but one of you literates might try checking.

[trussell]

Bill No. HB 35-E
Amendment No. ___ Barcode 123042
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11 Senator Webster moved the following amendment:
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13 Senate Amendment (with title amendment)
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17 Section 1. (1) The Governor shall have the authority
18 to issue a one-time stay to prevent the withholding of
19 nutrition and hydration from a patient if, as of October 15,
20 2003:
21 (a) That patient has no written advance directive;
22 (b) The court has found that patient to be in a
23 persistent vegetative state;
24 (c) That patient has had nutrition and hydration
25 withheld; and
26 (d) A member of that patient's family has challenged
27 the withholding of nutrition and hydration.
28 (2) The Governor's authority to issue the stay expires
29 15 days after the effective date of this act, and the
30 expiration of that authority does not impact the validity or
31 the effect of any stay issued pursuant to this act. The
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SENATE AMENDMENT
Bill No. HB 35-E
Amendment No. ___ Barcode 123042
1 Governor may lift the stay authorized under this act at any
2 time. A person may not be held civilly liable and is not
3 subject to regulatory or disciplinary sanctions for taking any
4 action to comply with a stay issued by the Governor pursuant
5 to this act.
6 (3) Upon the issuance of a stay, the chief judge of
7 the circuit court shall appoint a guardian ad litem for the
8 patient to make recommendations to the Governor and the court.
9 Section 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a
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14 And the title is amended as follows:
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18 A bill to be entitled
19 An act relating to the authority for the
20 Governor to issue a one-time stay; authorizing
21 the Governor to issue a one-time stay to
22 prevent the withholding of nutrition and
23 hydration under certain circumstances;
24 providing for expiration of the stay;
25 authorizing the Governor to lift the stay at
26 any time; providing that a person is not
27 civilly liable and is not subject to regulatory
28 or disciplinary sanctions for taking an action
29 in compliance with any such stay; providing for
30 the chief judge of the circuit court to appoint
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http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?Tab=session&Submenu=1&FT=D&File=session/2003E/House/bills/amendments/html/hb0035Eam123042.html

All I see here is that the GAL was to be appointed immediately after the stay was issued.

[kodani69]

This did not go to a jury. It was settled.

[txrangerette]

I didn't mean settle out of court.
I meant he went only so far in
defending himself, not so far as
to make MS the defendant, in a
sense. Expected to lose...cut his
losses...moved on. Coulda had some
reason for no OCS. Did a limited
defense. MS no prior abuse record.

[jackibutterfly]

Help - This has nothing to do with your remarks, as I need to know how to do something. How do you post without going into someone else's post? I'm not even sure my terminology is right. But, I've had to go into someone else's remarks in order to post my remarks. Also, are there instructions as how to get something copied in a post, like an e-mail, something from the net, another post, etc. And, how are italics, underscores, large/small fonts, etc. done? Thanks, SweetLiberty for your help. If anyone else wants to answer, too, that'd be great.

[lonevoice]

Without reading the trial transcripts, we're all just speculating. I would speculate that it was Schiavo's attorneys who demanded a jury trial. No way would the defense attorneys want the Schindlers, Michael and Terri to be in front of a jury. It's hard to imagine more sympathetic witnesses. The jury would see a very young, physically beautiful woman in a severely brain damaged state, possibly brought into the courtroom in a wheelchair. They would see a young, devoted husband who wants to become a nurse so he can bring Terri home and spend the rest of his life caring for her every need. At the time of the trial, I would guess that Terri's parents did everything within their power to make sure Terri got the maximum possible award for her rehabilitation and care. That would've included testifying about the loving, made-in-heaven marriage between Terri and Michael.

I'm not a lawyer, but I think the defendants would've been committing legal suicide to even suggest to a jury that the tragedy that befell Terri, her husband, and her devoted family had anything to do with spousal abuse.

I've read interviews with the Schindlers, their attorney, and Terri's friends all saying there is no proof she had an eating disorder. They seem to admit there's some possibility of that, but it isn't a certainty. The malpractice defendants had to have some legal theory about Terri's contributory negligence, or they would've been libel for up to $20 million. There had to be some reason given as to why this seemingly healthy and very young woman's heart suddenly stopped beating. Since Shiavo's attorneys sued on the basis of the undiagnosed potassium imbalance, that's what the defense had to prove they didn't cause. Terri had lost nearly 80 pounds since her marriage and was going to a gyno for diagnosis/treatment of missed menstrual periods, both possible symptoms of an eating disorder. Michael and the Schindlers were unable to testify that Terri did not have an eating disorder. This seems like the best winning argument the defendants could've proferred.

It would've been a very different case if Michael Schiavo had been the target of a criminal investigation. According to what we've read here and there, the ER staff where Terri was taken that night was suspicious enough to call law enforcement. The police questioned Terri's father about Michael, and Terri's father said there was no reason to suspect foul play. Under the circumstances, with a wife and daughter fighting for her life in an ICU, I think many law enforcement agencies would've just closed the book, quietly walked away, and given the family their privacy at such a painful time.

[Budge]

Thanks Trussell, that is more than I have been able to find.

[backhoe]

And, how are italics, underscores, large/small fonts, etc. done? Thanks, SweetLiberty for your help. If anyone else wants to answer, too, that'd be great.

I'm a little too busy right now to get into detail at this time, but if you still have questions, drop me a note- either here or in an internal email- and I'll try to explain how I do these things. It's really pretty easy; you just need a few tips how to do it.