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.50-caliber gun ban ill-advised
times union ^ | 4 23 04 | fred lebrun

Posted on 04/23/2004 12:28:56 PM PDT by freepatriot32

Most sportsmen I know don't see the need to get worked up over New York State Assembly legislation that would ban the sale and ownership of a .50-caliber gun.

Understandably, since the .50 cal that comes to mind these days is the modern 50-pound, single-shot sniper's rifle our military uses on targets a mile away. Costing anywhere between $2,000 and $11,000, with ammo as hard to find as a unicorn's toenail, the .50 cal is an exotic.

Although there are high-end target shooting competitions for such guns, and they are legitimate, legal functions undeserving of governmental interference.

But I'm also here to sound an alarm for the average New York state hunter. He or she has plenty to be concerned about with Assembly bill 7039. Worried would be too strong a word, but concerned is not.

By attempting to ban a caliber and not specific weapons, the prohibition may apply to guns near and dear to your heart after all, not just the exotics.

Keep in mind that this .50-caliber ban bill was goofy to begin with, arising from the Assembly's hasty need to counter various and equally idiotic anti-terrorism bills from Gov. Pataki and the State Senate.

Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington from Patchogue, Long Island, came up with the idea. She's convinced terrorists want to carry around a 50-pound, single-shot weapon, and Speaker Sheldon Silver has even gone so far as to assert such a gun could bring down an airliner. I have found no credible evidence in support.

"Fifty-caliber guns have no legitimate purpose, and to keep them legal is supporting keeping them legal for terrorists and others," Silver told the Associated Press. This conjures the mind-boggling image of terrorists and their ilk, whatever their ilk might be, lining up at a gun shop, waiting for their Brady checks, in order to purchase a sniper gun.

Please. After speaking with Eddington I am convinced she is sincere and straight with this legislation. She was 17 years a social worker in public schools, and her motivation comes from awful discussions about kids bringing guns to school. But it is also clear to me she knows little about guns and calibers.

Although she does insist she is not anti-hunting at all. She told me her brother-in-law in Poughkeepsie deer hunts, and that's fine with her. She also said she learned that blackpowder .50-caliber guns are something different from what she has in mind, and that an amendment in her bill now excludes blackpowder guns.

But Tom King, director for the New York State Pistol and Rifle Association, one of several gun groups rightly opposed to this bill, brings up an alarming point. At the same time Assembly staffers were briefed on why the legislation should exclude blackpowder guns, it was pointed out that all shotguns of a larger bore than a .410 might be at risk under the ban.

Yet the Assembly amended the bill to exclude blackpowder guns, but not your slug-shooting 12-, 16-, or 20-gauge shotgun. Since we have deer-hunting counties like Albany and Schoharie that allow shotguns but not rifles for deer hunting, this cuts to the bull's-eye of our interests.

"I think we should be scared about that," cautions King, and he's right.

Is it intentional or simply ineptly drawn? In the end, does it matter? There's no reason to get paranoid over this, but King does remind us that going all the way back to various attempts at banning assault weapons, there's been a fever to ban semi-automatic shotguns as well. Why is mystifying, but there it is.

So why does this not rise to worry status for gunning sportsmen? Because the legislation is a one-house bill for now, and sources in the State Senate tell me it is apt to stay that way. However, now would be the ideal time to contact your senator and share those concerns.

Fred LeBrun's outdoors column is published Thursdays. To reach him, call 454-5453


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Most sportsmen I know don't see the need to get worked up over New York State Assembly legislation that would ban the sale and ownership of a .50-caliber gun.

and that is the biggest problem right there this is how a country with a gaurenteed right to own firearms ends up having 20 000 laws outlawing fireamrs and no ione gets pissed enough to try to get them off the books until it is waaaaaaay to late voter apathy is more dangerous then a liberal majority any day

1 posted on 04/23/2004 12:28:58 PM PDT by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32
The ONLY reason they want to pass this law is to further demonize and isolate another less popular firearm. Sooner or later they want them ALL, including black powder 200 year old muzzle loaders.
2 posted on 04/23/2004 12:34:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: freepatriot32

3 posted on 04/23/2004 12:37:19 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: *bang_list
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
4 posted on 04/23/2004 12:38:58 PM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Fifty-caliber guns have no legitimate purpose, and to keep them legal is supporting keeping them legal for terrorists and others," Silver told the Associated Press.
5 posted on 04/23/2004 12:45:43 PM PDT by 12GA
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To: *bang_list; **New_York; Fledermaus; Travis McGee; *libertarians; *gov_watch; *Constitution List; ...
ping
6 posted on 04/23/2004 12:46:17 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (today it was the victory act tomorrow its victory coffee, victory cigarettes...)
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To: freepatriot32; All
Thanks for posting this article. You saved me the trouble. Where did the author get the idea it's modern, weighs 50 lbs and is single shot?
7 posted on 04/23/2004 12:47:08 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: freepatriot32
This is incrementalism plain and simple. Just imagine if this piece of crap legislation were to pass, then substitute whatever firearm you own in the following sentence:

"[your_gun_here] guns have no legitimate purpose, and to keep them legal is supporting keeping them legal for terrorists and others," Silver told the Associated Press.
8 posted on 04/23/2004 12:47:40 PM PDT by PointRight
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To: freepatriot32
The 50 caliber.

It's not just for snipers anymore.

Is that a S&W .50 in your pocket? Or are you just happy to see me?

9 posted on 04/23/2004 12:50:30 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,Election '04...It's going to be a bumpy ride,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø)
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To: OXENinFLA
Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1?
10 posted on 04/23/2004 12:51:13 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: OXENinFLA

Barrett 0.50 purchased in U.S.A. endangers US servicemen in Kosovo today. Go figure. 48 should not be terrorist Wall Mart.

11 posted on 04/23/2004 12:55:34 PM PDT by DTA (you ain't seen nothing yet)
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To: DuncanWaring
Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1?

The action is a thing of beauty.:)
12 posted on 04/23/2004 12:56:56 PM PDT by Threepwood
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To: 12GA
Only trained military and police experts need what are clearly weapons of war!


13 posted on 04/23/2004 12:59:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: freepatriot32
This stupid bill was created by liberal morons who know nothing about guns and it's caliber. 12.7x99 BMG (.50 BMG) is a deadly round that was designed to penetrate tank armor. Guns like the Barrett M82A1 are very heavy and I seriously doubt anyone would want to carry it around, especially since you can't hide it. When is the last time anyone was killed by a wannabe gang-banger with a massive Barrett?
14 posted on 04/23/2004 12:59:46 PM PDT by Chinese_American_Patriot (9/11/01 - Never Forget, NEVER Forgive!!!! Al-Fallujah, Iraq. The home of savage Islamofacists!!!!)
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To: neverdem; TexasCowboy; humblegunner; Flyer; Squantos
Barrett M99 (Big Shot)


Specifications:

- Caliber .50 BMG (12.7 X 99mm)
- Chamber Chambered for commercial and MATCH ammunition
- Operation Single shot bolt action
- Barrel Length 33 inches (83.8 cm)
- Overall Length 50.4 inches (128 cm)
- Barrel Weight 14 pounds (6.4 kg)
- Rifle Weight 25 pounds (11.36 kg)
- Finish Black or Green (Add $100.00 for Green)



This looks like a "legitimate" use!!!

15 posted on 04/23/2004 1:04:57 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
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I am so sick of hearing "hunting" and the "second amendment " mentioned in the same place. Like if they have something to do with each other - lame!

And suppose there is a ban on these rifles. Is it for future sales or is it for anyone that currently owns one? Do they have to turn in they're $2,000 -$10,000+ investment.
16 posted on 04/23/2004 1:05:13 PM PDT by ezo4
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To: ezoeni
I agree. The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.
17 posted on 04/23/2004 1:13:39 PM PDT by Redcloak (Have you hugged your tagline today?)
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To: Eaker; TexasCowboy
This looks like a "legitimate" use!!!

I have no idea why the anti-gunners would be down on the .50.
That particular model has no magazine, can't sustain any real rate of fire
(although anyone who can rapid-fire that beast unmounted has my respect)
and has never been used for anything criminal that I know of.

Hell, yer average thug couldn't tote the damned thing.

Legitimate use? Look at how dour and unhappy everyone looks in the picture. < /sarcasm>

18 posted on 04/23/2004 1:23:22 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: ezoeni
"Is it for future sales or is it for anyone that currently"

Ask the citizens of Kalerfornia.

19 posted on 04/23/2004 1:25:53 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: freepatriot32
[Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington] was 17 years a social worker in public schools

That alone should have disqualified her from being a political representative.

[Eddington's] motivation comes from awful discussions about kids bringing guns to school.

Yes, I'm sure there were many kids discussing how they were going to go out and spend $10,000 on a .50 cal rifle to shoot up the school.

As far as the "terrorist" angle goes, even if a terrorist wanted to use one of these rifles (which is unlikely), what makes anyone think that they won't be able to obtain one illegally? Hell, they could have hundreds of these rifles--along with more deadly weapons and munitions--walked across the Mexican border with their comrades. Laws only apply to the law-abiding.

20 posted on 04/23/2004 1:30:30 PM PDT by SpyGuy
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