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Skip to comments.Katrina Live Thread XII
Posted on 08/31/2005 4:00:15 PM PDT by NautiNurse
President Bush: "We are dealing with one of the worst national disasters in our nation's history." Push has appropriated vast federal resources to assist with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
78,000 people are currently in shelters. New Orleans evacuation continues. 10,000 additional National Guard troops have been called to service.
Hospitals are running low on supplies, and public health concerns include water borne disease, poor sanitation, food and drinking water contamination and shortages, mosquitoes, carbon monixide poisoning from electricity generators, lack of childcare, and the special needs of the elderly.
Links to various news, local and state government websites:
WLOX TV Biloxi, Gulfport, Pascagula has link to locate family and friends (very slow load)
2theAdvocate - Baton Rouge Includes Slidell, St. John Parish, St. Bernard Parish updates, and other locations.
Inside Houma Today includes shelter and volunteer updates
WLBT.com Jackson MS
WALA Channel 4 Mobile, AL Includes links to distribution centers, Emergency Ops, etc.
Sun-Herald Gulfport MS Includes link to town by town reports
Gulfport News via Topix.net
WAFB Baton Rouge
Mobile Register via al.com
Mississippi updates via Jackson Ledger
Lafayette LA Daily Advertiser
Pensacola News Journal
St Bernard Local Government
Alabama Homeland Security Volunteers can sign up online
Louisiana Homeland Security
Louisiana State Police road closure info
State of Mississippi Website has traffic alerts, emergency contact numbers
WTOK-TV (follow the link on the home page): http://www.wtok.com/
Gulf Coast Storm Network (radio): http://www.stormalert.net/main.html#
Related FR Threads:
FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread
Discussion Thread - Hurricane Katrina - What Went Wrong?!?
Post Hurricane Katrina IMAGES Here
Looting Begins In New Orleans
Martial Law Declared in New Orleans
Due to the number of requests to assist, the following list of some charities is provided.
This is not intended as an endorsement for any of the charities.
www.redcross.org or 1-800 HELP NOW - note: website is slow
Salvation Army - 1-800-SAL-ARMY or Salvation Army currently looking for in-state volunteers - (888)363-2769
Operation Blessing: (800) 436-6348.
America's Second Harvest: (800) 344-8070.
Catholic Charities USA: (800) 919-9338, or www.catholiccharitiesusa.org.
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee: (800) 848-5818.
Church World Service: (800) 297-1516 or online at www.churchworldservice. org.
Lutheran Disaster Response: (800) 638-3522.
Nazarene Disaster Response: (888) 256-5886.
Presbyterian Disaster Assistance: (800) 872-3283.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is accepting donations at its 3,800 stores and Web site, www.walmart.com.
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Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
Tropical Storm 12
Just the fact that reporters are now escaping the mayhem says alot
Please be patient with us. There are many threads posted daily and many trolls mixed in between
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That is not the case at the Astrodome ..The lockdown occured because of the situation citywide in NO and the rising waters..The people will be given ID to get back in if they leave.
Refugees Fill Texas Shelters
words escape me......
still wondering why WATER & food couldn't of been airlifted to the Dome by Tues.
Thanks. We don't have cable here so I was trying to figure out why Jeff Goldblum would be in the area.
It would have made sense though because a New Orleans citizen, writer and comedian/actor Harry Shearer was interviewed on our local talk radio station last night. He has a home in New Orleans, on higher ground above the lake.
I don't think this 'study' will apply to what we are seeing/hearing about this tragedy.
It's not just NO......sad to say reports from MS said looters were in action before the storm had even passed....& now looters climbing over bodies (in houses) to loot these same houses.
Thanks HGC .. that's his name .. my bad :0(
I think it applies for the same reasons. The smarter people ran. The criminals stayed to exploit the situation. If the hurricane hit when the area was fully populated with a full spectrum of different types of people, I think it would have much less disorder.
Yes, and thanks for your patience also; that part of my post was implied for those who initiated the hoax rumor.
Very happy things are back on track.
As reported by WABC radio NY this morning:
Apparently some fire stations in Jersey and elsewhere are training volunteers for two-week stints in affected areas. I would think at this stage it would mainly demo and clean up.
So for all you who can ... it's a hands-on opportunity to help. Will report main contact when found.
Some of our firefighters are down there already and the Yankees gave 1 million (could've given more, but better than nothing).
Heh...my wife got out there just before 7:00 am and the line was already thousands of people long, traffic backed up three miles on Laburnum just to get to the Fairgrounds. She left, and never saw the melee break out at the front of the line.
Katrina really puts things in perspective. We had a couple thousand of Henrico County's trashier component (of all races) stampede little old ladies and run over children to get $50 laptops...and now a half-million people in the Gulf have noplace to live, no food, no water. I wish I could say those people up here felt ashamed for what they did, but somehow you and I both know they don't. They got their crapped-out iBook, and that's all that mattered. And no doubt some of them are complaining to the county that the iBook isn't the latest model and the batteries are shot and there's a crack in the LCD and the keys are sticky...
Many here at FR were wondering why people weren't being told more forcefully to evacuate many hours before the call to do so came.
Some don't realize that many people don't follow impending events as well as they do.
For instance, my dad (in CA) didn't realize how bad the storm was getting, so wasn't as concerned about his sisters in Purvis (12 miles SSW of Hattiesburg) as he should have been. Although, being 60 miles inland, the Hattiesburg disaster probably wouldn't have been expected.
Anyway, the gov and mayor should have been loudly and forcefully pushing people out, long before the President called to say 'get the people the f out of there'. IMHO
Call to action:
FReepers need help for New Orleans Police!
According to the local Houston TV stations the first buses have started to arrive at the Astrodome. The actual first bus was one they did not expect. It was a school bus that a group had commandeered and driven to Houston. The driver said that the police told him to take it. My feeling is that they just basically took the thing. The Red Cross folks at the Astrodome seemed perplexed as to what to do. My feeling is that if the TV cameras had not been on, a lot more difficult questions would have been asked. I fear our first guests in the Astrodome are probably some of the looter scum we have been seeing on TV.
See Post #1692 and my #2416
Please check in when you can to let us know your situation and any information you have found out.
Sounds like Baghdad.
I'm sure it's been pointed out, but Governor Blanco has already tolerated this behavior, and by so doing has bought a lot more of it.
I am awake this morning. Frankly I am not giving a damn about the NO levee board. Maybe it is a phase here but NO is gone.
It is hard to wrap the mind around. NO is gone. People are wandering out. Many are dying. The rest is just static.
Maybe the time will come in the endless post mortems that the NO levee board will be discussed in a long article. But this is like some kind of On the Beach scenario going on here. The NO levee board is past being relevant.
Or that is just how it feels right now.
anyone have a live video link goin this morning?
What does this mean? Can you explain more fully please?
I think it does have something to do with the constitution of the group left behind in the case of NO. Not that most of them are black - after all, 80% of the NO population is black, so this isn't surprising - but that a disproportionate number are probably criminals in any case. The police did release criminals wholesale from the jails when the flooding got bad, so perhaps there is a greater than average percentage of people who are just either very bad or very dumb to begin with.
Good morning from Ridgeland, Mississippi. I just got power restored last night. I've been to work every day this week, but can't go today because I have no gasoline. I spent two hours in line at 4:30 a.m. yesterday, and three hours last night. Both times, the stations ran out of gas before I got to the pumps. The rescue people are having similar problems, so I'm just going to stay home until gas is readily available. I want to help people, but I don't know what I can do because I have no means of transportation and no food. All of our perishable food spoiled, and we have eaten all of the non-perishable. We walked a couple of miles to a store yesterday, but it was closed because they have no electricity. I'm not complaining, however, because I and my family are so blessed. If we get hungry, neighbors will share something to eat. Our home is relatively undamaged by the storm and I have air conditioning again. Please pray for all of those less fortunate people who have lost everything. Thank you.
Yesterday I talked to two people who were going to donate to the relief effort but changed their minds after seeing just how lawless it's gotten in NO.
They felt that the money could end up in the hands of some of those looters to help THEM and so won't do it.
That is interesting. I worked for the Port of New Orleans during my summers in college. And, what you are saying does not surprise me too much. I was never over at the Levee Board. However, there are lots of lawyers and law firms in New Orleans who are no friends of these small state politicians. Years ago the old "Dock Board" (Port) was pretty clean. My boyfriend's father (Republican I might add, I was still a young Democrat), was the director of the Port (don't remember the exact title), and yes, he got me my summer job. I repaired the old maps of the docks, which included (or showed at least) levees from the 19th and early 20th Centuries. It was a great summer job and I learned a little about how the City grew up.
Feeling reflective and sober, feel free to shoot down. Getting up out of a comfortable bed with a cup of coffee seems a crime under the current circumstances.
Turned on the tube earlier (4 cst), and altho normally a Fox watcher, I have also looked at a lot of CNN coverage. Their coverage seems to be broader and they have more news from areas other than NOLA. The anchor this morning seemed quite calm and somber.
But nothing beats FR for all around news:
Nautinurse, thanks again for your work on the live Katrina threads;
MFH, in hindsight, we probably all wished your hot thread had read: "Astonishing Exclusive From the *Gulf Coast* [hundreds if not thousands dead]".
It would have avoided a lot of internal squabbles.
Even so, with a corrected title, we would still have wished *that* news to be so wrong. As of this morning, the entire scale is, of course, unknown.
Finally, Jim Rob, thanks to you and the technical staff for keeping the servers up and humming.
I have to laugh here. Many of us down here sound perpetually stoned.
We are all so taken with the moral issues here. What does one do to get out of a dark, wet, scary place with people wandering around with guns shooting and thieving?
The problem is for every thug with an AK 47 there are a thousand scared, wet, terrified people. But the thugs just command attention and rule with their ability to make us fear. So everyone begins to look like they are hiding a gun under their shirts.
That is why I was asking how many thugs with guns were around. And my guess is it is small. And if all of these refugees look like they are thugs in our eyes, it is going to be a long decade or decades.
It is like the KKK,,every white southerner got associated with that group of thugs when most of people werent. I once asked my father who grew up here about the KKK. And he told me they were outliers, not decent people and never were. He said that at the time the decent people knew these were thugs.
The hijacked bus I don't know about. But I sort of think they made their own personal evacuation plan. I hope they didn't kill anybody but suspect they just comandeered a bus and made a bustrip to texas. Anybody read Confederacy of the Dunces? It sounds like a story from that book. So I will wait and see what happens with it. It in an odd way is amusing me. It would not if I thought they hurt of killed someone to get the bus, it really wouldn't. But if it was just left with the keys in it or if the driver went in to get his papers or something, and they took it, well I can hardly blame them.
I think what is happening in New Orleans is that authorities were ineffective in taking over because of two main factors; they were were spread too thinly, and they had no effective leadership of their own.
NO is gone, is right.
I think you hit more than a few nails and more than a few idiots on the head.
I hadn't realized that the corruption and violence routinely active in the area was so great in addition to the voodoo and MardiGras spirit; rampant sexual acting out etc.
Reminds me of this thread:
27 CHRISTIAN PROPHETIC EXCERPTS FROM 1940 UNTIL NOW.
It is beginning to feel like the docs on that thread are a lot more accurate than I ever wanted them to be.
Paul over at Wizbang takes the blogosphere to task for self serving Katrina reporting. He says instead of just blogging about it, do some good and help the victims, of which he is one.
Therell be plenty of time to show off your 20/20 hindsight next week. For now, accept this for what it is a natural disaster of biblical proportions.
If you want to do something, quit yer whining and do what blogs and bloggers do best Use information to change the world.
Think of the simple things- Thousands of people lost their glasses. Somebody set up a website where they can coordinate donations of (known) prescription glasses from people who no longer need them. Get a freight company to donate the freight. I bet FedEx will give you an account number that will route all the glasses to some agency in New Orleans.
If you do something to help the victims, ping this post If there is a lot of people helping out, Kevin will set up a post with the links. (I just volunteered him ;)
Think about it for a second from my chair (Im not whining but) Im almost 40 years old . Here is the sum total of all my worldly possessions: 4 pairs of shorts, 5 shirts, 2 pairs of shoes, 4 pairs of underwear, 1 pair of blue jeans, a box of family pictures, 2 flashlights, a piece of trench art my grandfather brought back from WWI and my fathers hammer. (Hey, it means a lot to me!) Thats it. Everything else is gone. And BTW, Im unemployed.
I tell you that not to whine but to let you see the tree thru the forest. Multiply my situation by about a million. Stop and think about that A million people homeless and unemployed.
If youre a blogger then (by near definition) youre a self proclaimed talented person. Prove it. Theyll be plenty of time for punditry and pontification next month In the mean time there is work to be done. Figure out how to help the victims.
Sure thing, Post #1692 freeper asking for help for New Orleans Police. It is explained in that post.
They were just throwing away everything into the trash and would not allow people to take anything out the trash that was needed. They had posted a security guard around the trash bins.
Perhaps they were worried about liability if they gave food away. There really should be a good samaritan law for disaster situations. If you let someone into your home after the hurricane, they shouldn't be able to sue you, and if you give someone food that you think is safe, they shouldn't be able to sue you. Then again, perhaps they just wanted to gouge you.
One of my all time favorite books...what's the lead character's name something O'Reilly? But you have to have lived in New Orleans to get it, that's the problem. It's surreal and epic all at the same time...and so gloriously funny.
Prayers for those who are suffering and have lost so much..I know you are glad to have electricity again..I know how difficult this time is for those who survived but cannot buy what they need..
Updates as they come in on Katrina
06:04 AM CDT on Thursday, September 1, 2005
6:03 A.M. (AP) - Hundreds of thousands of Americans are now refugees. Some say they'll return to the homes they abandoned because of Hurricane Katrina, but others are calling it a day.
One New Orleans man sheltering in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, says "We got nothing."
A poker dealer from Biloxi says it's "just awful" and that she wants to get out of Southern Mississippi, where she's stranded.
Shonna Riggs says her forced exodus to Texas from a small town in Louisiana has been "very expensive" and she's not "used to the hustle and bustle" of Houston.
Another Louisiana woman staying in Houston says, "We're all a mess." Hoanne Hobson says she doesn't know what to do next.
5:55 A.M. - State of Louisiana Military Department: The Governor's office has requested the use of school busses from Louisiana schools to help with the evacuation of New Orleans, please advise your viewers to check with their local school systems in regards to closures today.
INFO FROM THE SCANNER...
104 Buses (span 2 1/4 miles) lined up on highway shoulder ready to move in (I believe they are on 61 and will exit on I-10 - 400 more are waiting close by - Special need buses have already been sent in. The other buses will be sent in 10 at a time.
This is a huge operation that involves 500+ waiting buses.
Will post more as I hear it
Scanner is mainly covering the bus evacuations ongoing...earlier 90+ MP's being deployed from the NAS to help with security in NO..coordinating getting transportation in and out for evacuations.
I've been looking at presents for Mom in SC and Dad in CO, who both have wells...
We have city water for inside and a well for outside and can convert to all well in an emergency; this situation has made me very glad of that.
Breaking from CNN
"Shots fired in Superdome - evacuation suspended"
No details -- CNN wandered off into "human interest" story..
Don't ya just love 'em??
I saw a group on tv on a section of road being watched. I thought they were just sending them to a new facility. Didn't know about the other.
The first 10 buses are waiting and ready to go in - they will go in as soon as the special need buses head out.
No doubt.....at this point any looters stealing anything but food or water should be shot.
nothing on the scanners yet - everything still is coming across a go for the first 10 buses.