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Mary Mapes Names Names [tries to trash FreeRepublic]
INDC Journal ^ | 11/9/05 | Bill Ardolino

Posted on 11/10/2005 5:34:54 AM PST by shhrubbery!

November 09, 2005

Mary Mapes Names Names ("Anonymous" Ones)

Posted by Bill

An excerpt from page 201 of her new book:

Within minutes of Buckhead's original posting, Freepers began to repeat and embellish Buckhead's thoughts. Not surprisingly, they all agreed with him, they all agreed with one another, and they all agreed this should be pursued aggressively. Freethinkers they are not. The Freepers and their lockstep like-minded fellow travelers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim. CBS was like some sunburned, overweight Florida tourist with a cut foot, floundering and flapping in the water alone in the surf. The Freepers swarmed CBS not because it was right or fair but because they could.

On Web sites such as Powerline, INDC Journal, Allahpundit, and Spacetownusa, the bravehearts of the blogging world worked anonymously in what appeared to be huge numbers, in unison, to destroy the Bush-Guard story, to uphold one another's wild and hateful claims, to outshout, outargue, and outblog anyone who dared to disagree. And on their Web sites there is no disagreement. They hate in unison, they speak with one angry voice, they each make themselves bigger by staying as close together as possible.


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To: shhrubbery!

I think Mary Mapes is great! Neato! Nifty!



(see, we don't all think alike. Nee!)


141 posted on 11/10/2005 6:33:30 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I know my enemy. I have Cable TV.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

142 posted on 11/10/2005 6:34:04 AM PST by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: shhrubbery!
Ms. Mapes' comments are utter ridiculous

Everyone knows the memos CBS News showed as evidence are complete fakes (it doesn't match ANYTHING we know about how military memos were done at the time), and her comments are essentially major sour grapes.

143 posted on 11/10/2005 6:35:52 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Bear_Slayer

BTTT. Good one.


144 posted on 11/10/2005 6:36:19 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I know my enemy. I have Cable TV.)
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To: shhrubbery!
Presumeably, if a reporter said that 2+3 = 6, FReepers would all agree that the reporter was wrong. Would that make us not Free Thinkers?

Similarly, it didn't take a genius to realize that Buckhead was on to something. (And, while I knew nothing about typewriters, it wasn't that hard to tell that the document looked like it came from MS Word).

145 posted on 11/10/2005 6:36:40 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Issaquahking

Why do I get the feeling this is going to show up somewhere else soon?


146 posted on 11/10/2005 6:37:34 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I know my enemy. I have Cable TV.)
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To: Lakeshark
My first thought was....my God, they let a raving moonbat be a big time Producer of CBS news for years and years and no one knew.

Believe me,CBS and Dan Rather knew what Mapes was all along. And they were just fine with that because it fit their ideology and agenda. Until she got caught - then they slashed her up into chum and threw her overboard to draw the sharks away from them.

147 posted on 11/10/2005 6:37:48 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: maggief
 
"I'm a feminist, but I am not an angry, communist, 'feminazi,' sicko, mean, pinko, shrieking nag witch."

If that were true you wouldn't feel the need to dispute it so vehemently.
 

 

 

148 posted on 11/10/2005 6:37:58 AM PST by HawaiianGecko (Facts are neither debatable nor open to "I have a right to this opinion" nonsense.)
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To: shhrubbery!
" Not surprisingly, they all agreed with him, they all agreed with one another, and they all agreed this should be pursued aggressively. Freethinkers they are not. The Freepers and their lockstep like-minded fellow travelers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim. CBS was like some sunburned, overweight Florida tourist with a cut foot, floundering and flapping..."

I guess now you bastards know what it feels like to be on the other side. Do you like it?
149 posted on 11/10/2005 6:39:16 AM PST by bilhosty
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To: shhrubbery!
Within minutes of Buckhead's original posting, Freepers began to repeat and embellish Buckhead's thoughts.

GO PAJAMA BRIGADE!!!!!!!!


150 posted on 11/10/2005 6:40:44 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Cliff Dweller
I can't imagine Mary Worth intentionally dating a Communist. However, Elaine Benes of Seinfeld fame, thought it would be "cool" to date a Communist. And in fact, she did.
151 posted on 11/10/2005 6:41:14 AM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: woofie
Gotta get moving ...strapping on my shark fin...LOL! HA! HA! We're so Cruel.
152 posted on 11/10/2005 6:42:52 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: massgopguy
Here's some data for your call-in. Some FReepers did not jump straight into the fray:

Dan Rather Lied: Company that owns font did not License it till 1980!
  Posted by TaxRelief to kjnspc
On News/Activism 09/10/2004 9:57:26 PM EDT · 119 of 159

Dittos!
The Internet is becoming an acceptable alternative for up-to-date information for more people every year. Perhaps I'm wrong, but one of the main reasons so many people are turning from the "Media Wing of the Democratic Party", to news sources like FR, is because the process of discussion ultimately leads to greater ACCURACY.

I am an engineer. I was raised by an engineer. The scientific process does require challenging the hypotheses put forth by others. If these memos were put out there by a local weekly paper it would not be worth the effort, but discrediting the big guys is the best way to get people thinking about and questioning what they hear, rather than blindly accepting everything they are told.


That being said, discrediting the memos with bogus "facts" rather than good information, questions the credibility of FR. Under normal circumstances, the process of discussion on FR is what makes it one of the most accurate sources of news. However, when the whole group gets caught up in the excitement of "bash CBS" or "snag the DNC", it becomes more like a witch hunt or an emotion fest and less like a discussion amongst intelligent people.



For instance, many have argued that the Guard could not have afforded the machine that could do this. It's a weak argument at best. I call it the "far-fetched" argument. The "far-fetched" argument looks at the probability of an occurrence rather than the logical possibility of an occurrence. Probabilites are useful for determining which theory to test, but they are useless for ruling out 'modus operandi'. The typist could have used the machine anywhere. It could have been in his brother's business or the office of the guy who prints the newsletter. (You may notice that most liberal "expert" witnesses rely heavily on the "farfetched" argument.)

In another example of emotional v. logical argument, many have argued that the font did not exist. Another weak argument. It is much easier to prove something exists than something does not exist. This font did exist. I have posted the specs and the precise measurements of each letter from a 1968 technical internal IBM document.

The true Scientific Approach would be to determine the authenticity of the original documents through chemical and paper analysis. Handwriting analysis, while moderately subjective, is also helpful. Finding the colonel's fingerprints would be very damning indeed.

Accurately, rather than emotionally proving forgery, in this case would benefit the entire country. It is critical that the American people know if CBS or the rats are lying through their teeth, even if it does put "the burden of proof" on FR.


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CBS KILLIAN MEMOS: DFU EXCLUSIVE FREEPER INTERVIEW with the expert - Dr. Philip Bouffard
  Posted by TaxRelief to Stentor; Helms; All
On News/Activism 09/10/2004 9:42:52 PM EDT · 81 of 104

Where your argument fails is that if you require proof that this ... is untrue, then any vomit, produced by anyone, must be proven to be untrue.

Looking for proof of falsity is fundamental to the process of "discrediting". CBS, CNN, ABC, AP and NBC are like gods to a good portion of the American population.

The Internet is becoming an acceptable alternative for up-to-date information for more people every year. Perhaps I'm wrong, but one of the main reasons so many people are turning from the "Media Wing of the Democratic Party", to news sources like FR, is because the process of discussion ultimately leads to greater ACCURACY.

I am an engineer. I was raised by an engineer. The scientific process does require challenging the hypotheses put forth by others. If these memos were put out there by a local weekly paper it would not be worth the effort, but discrediting the big guys is the best way to get people thinking about and questioning what they hear, rather than blindly accepting everything they are told.



That being said, discrediting the memos with bogus "facts" rather than good information, questions the credibility of FR. Under normal circumstances, the process of discussion on FR is what makes it one of the most accurate sources of news. However, when the whole group gets caught up in the excitement of "bash CBS" or "snag the DNC", it becomes more like a witch hunt or an emotion fest and less like a discussion amongst intelligent people.



For instance, many have argued that the Guard could not have afforded the machine that could do this. It's a weak argument at best. I call it the "far-fetched" argument. The "far-fetched" argument looks at the probability of an occurrence rather than the logical possibility of an occurrence. Probabilites are useful for determining which theory to test, but they are useless for ruling out 'modus operandi'. The typist could have used the machine anywhere. It could have been in his brother's business or the office of the guy who prints the newsletter. (You may notice that most liberal "expert" witnesses rely heavily on the "farfetched" argument.)

The Scientific Approach would be to determine the authenticity of the original documents through chemical and paper analysis. Handwriting analysis, while moderately subjective, is also helpful. Finding the colonel's fingerprints would be very damning indeed.

Accurately, rather than emotionally proving forgery, in this case would benefit the entire country. It is critical that the American people know if CBS or the rats are lying through their teeth, even if it does put "the burden of proof" on FR.


153 posted on 11/10/2005 6:44:27 AM PST by TaxRelief ("Conservatives are cracking down!" -- Rush Limbaugh, October 13, 2005)
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To: shhrubbery!
Hey mapes, are you telling me there's not some sicko liberal group-think going on at CBS? Come on, no one's that brain-dead? And if you think there are conservatives working at CBS in the "news" department, please list their names some place. How dare you accuse us of groupthink? What an idiot.

Freepers often see the glee the 60 Minutes crew has on their wrinkled little faces when they take someone down. And strangely, for reasons unknown, they never "take down" a liberal. Ever wonder about that? My guess is "no". You don't seem like a person who wonders about much, but you do seem mean. You wanted to lie about a duly elected President of the United States because you hated him. Not because you had a hard truth on him. Not for any reason other than hate. You wanted to trump the right of the people to a fair vote. You wanted to run your hit piece so there wouldn't be time for an answer. You're such a jerk.

Here's something else for you to think about Mapes, back when Bush was young, democrats ran Texas, and BushSr., had as much pull in that state as you have with Freepers. None. Nada. Zip.

Your hate even overwhelmed what little logic is required to do the entertainment type show you worked for... You hate us. And you accuse us of not liking you? Well, you're right about one thing. This Freeper doesn't like you.

154 posted on 11/10/2005 6:46:42 AM PST by GOPJ (Frenchmen should ask immigrants "Do you want to be Frenchmen?"- Not "Will you clean toilets cheap?")
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To: TomGuy
Poor little Mary. All innocent and pure. Walking down the street, minding her own business, with her trusty little lamb Danny. And all of a sudden, from nowhere, everywhere, came the MOTHER OF ALL ZOTS from FreeRepublic! But, as Shakespeare would say, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
155 posted on 11/10/2005 6:47:50 AM PST by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: guitfiddlist; woofie; Brilliant
OH! WOW!..."two in a row"...Brilliant thread today

{s on} Thank You! Mary Mapes {/s off}

156 posted on 11/10/2005 6:49:59 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: maggief

The definition of ugly! No wonder she is a feminist!


157 posted on 11/10/2005 6:50:52 AM PST by cmiller623 (Mayor Antonio Villa....or never mind. Los Angeles is doomed!)
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To: shhrubbery!

shark bump


158 posted on 11/10/2005 6:56:01 AM PST by Blackirish (Jeez)
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To: shhrubbery!

What a baby. She should just suck it up and admit her mistakes.


159 posted on 11/10/2005 7:00:13 AM PST by veronica (What will "Ronnie" think? The question that obsesses the internut clowns...)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Helpless, pitiful, unarmed CBS?? Unarmed??? Hey, FReepers, it's another Victim Class -- unarmed MSM. Maybe they need a bailout.


160 posted on 11/10/2005 7:02:34 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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