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Posted on 03/16/2006 7:35:04 AM PST by Mia T
CLINTON CONFLATES EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS AND ISLAMO-FASCIST TERRORISTS
by Mia T, 03.16.06
It is wrong to demonize and cartoonize one another and ignore evidence and to make false charges and to bear false witness. Sometimes I think our friends on the other side have become the people of the Nine Commandments. It is wrong to bear false witness because we all see through [the] glass darkly....
SERMON ON THE MAKE
Note that clinton made this despicable argument in a church. In a black church. So much for the separation of church and state. So much for racial equality and respect. Miss hillary's plantation: THE PREQUEL....
As for fundamentalism, note that no one is more doctrinaire than the clintons. If the Religious Right eschews science for faith, the clintons corrupt science for dogma, treasure and power.
WHY HILLARY IN THE OVAL OFFICE IS A NATIONAL-SECURITY NO-NOPART ONE
It is no secret that Hillary's past takes us through a pile of hard, cold cash from the Chinese army, Chinese army agents roaming the White House and photos with a wide variety of scoundrels.
For example, the one prominent name missing from Hillary's recent "tell-all" book is Riady. Mrs. Clinton failed to mention the Riady family at all. One would get the impression that the Riadys were not present in the Clinton White House. Hillary Clinton certainly overlooked listing the table settings and menus for White House dinners with the Riadys.
The Riadys knew the Clintons from their Arkansas years, when Moctar bought out a local bank. Moctar and his son James were close to Bill and Hillary through 1992 and into the White House. Moctar even owned the firm selected by Hillary Clinton to replace the White House travel office.
Riady and Hillary
Moctar and James Riady played a key role in bringing the Clintons to power in Washington. The Indonesian billionaire and his Lippo banking company managed to contribute large sums of money to the Clintons' campaigns even though it was against the law. Moctar's gardener contributed $450,000 directly to Bill Clinton in a single check. James Riady, Moctar's son, eventually pleaded guilty to campaign violations.
The connections between the Riadys and the Clintons have a much more sinister theme than simple foreign money inside U.S. elections. Testimony before the U.S. Senate revealed Moctar Riady's involvement in Chinese espionage. The Lippo Group is in fact a joint venture of China Resources, a trading and holding company "wholly owned" by the Chinese communist government and used as a front for Chinese espionage operations.
Mrs. Clinton not only knew the Riadys but took their money as well. To prove my point I need only to cite photographic evidence. Her picture with Moctar Riady is certainly damning evidence of a relationship that spanned several bank accounts and two decades. It is often said that a picture tells a thousand words. However, Hillary's pictures not only tell stories left out of her book but they also netted $10,000 each for the DNC in illegal donations.
Mrs. Clinton has left us with a wide selection of photo evidence. Mrs. Clinton has had her photo taken with drug dealer Jorge Cabrera. Jorge donated a load of drug money to the DNC in order to get close to the first lady. Jorge is currently serving federal time for smuggling 3,000 pounds of cocaine into the United States.
Ironically, Jorge and Hillary were photographed in front of the White House Christmas tree.
Mrs. Clinton also has a virtual personal photo gallery of modern crime. It is almost as if she wanted to collect snapshots of herself and major crime figures.
For example, the co-presidents were photographed together with Macao criminal boss Ng Lapseng. Ng makes most of his money through the female-empowering career of prostitution.
Ng owns the Fortuna Hotel in Macao. You can stay overnight at the Fortuna for a reasonable price. In addition, you can also purchase the services of a Fortuna hostess for an additional nightly or hourly fee.
Ng frequently visited the Clintons with his close friend Charlie "Yah-Lin" Trie. It was through Charlie Trie that Ng also donated thousands of dollars to the Clintons.
Ng's Fortuna Hotel showed up again later in official State Department charges against the satellite division of Hughes. The Fortuna turned out to be a front for a Chinese army company that leased a Hughes satellite.
Hillary Clinton's close relationship with the Chinese army is all too well documented. The first lady was clearly involved with Chinese agent Johnny Chung and the penetration of Col. Lui of Chinese army unit COSTIND, the Chinese Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense.
According to the GAO, COSTIND "oversees development of China's weapon systems and is responsible for identifying and acquiring telecommunications technology applicable for military use."
Johnny Chung also had several photo sessions with both Clintons. Many of the photos appear in Mr. Chung's beer advertisements. Chung passed Chinese army money to the DNC through Mrs. Clinton. In return, a very young and attractive female PLA colonel and COSTIND computer information warfare specialist was allowed inside the White House to meet Bill Clinton.
Senator James Inhofe
Mr. President, I want you to listen again. I am going to pick up on the incredible but true story of the Clinton Administration's betrayal of national security and the scandalous coverup that continues as we speak. In doing so, I fully realize that the majority of Americans will not believe me. They have continued to believe our President even after he has demonstrated over and over that he has no regard for the truth. Though you would never realize it by listening to the national media or the Clinton spin doctors, the recently released Cox Report has revealed a wealth of information on how the Clinton Administration has undermined national security to simultaneously pursue its misguided foreign policies and self-serving domestic political agendas. On the one hand, there is the mind-boggling story of how the Clinton Administration deliberately changed almost 50 years of bipartisan security policies--relaxing export restrictions, signing waivers to allow technology transfers, ignoring China's violation of arms control agreements and its theft of our nuclear secrets, opening up even more nuclear and high technology floodgates to China and others--thus harming U.S. national security.
On the other hand, there is the continuing coverup--the effort to hide from Congress and the American people the true damage that has been done to national security and the Clinton administration's central role in allowing so much of it to happen on their watch.
Over three months ago--on March 15--I spoke on this floor about China's theft of the W-88 nuclear warhead. I spoke about how serious this was to our national security--how it was a story with life and death implications for millions of Americans.
I told how President Clinton was directly responsible for downplaying the significance of and covering up this story. While the information on the W-88 design--the crown jewel of our nuclear arsenal--was stolen in the late 1980's, the theft was first discovered in 1995 by this administration. I told how it was this administration and this president who deliberately covered up this vital information from Congress and the American people and, at the same time, lulled our people into a false sense of security by repeating the lie that there were no nuclear missiles targeted at America's children.
At that time, I spoke of six proven incontrovertible facts...and let me repeat them now:
1. President Clinton hosted over 100 campaign fundraisers in the White House, many with Chinese connections.
2. President Clinton used John Huang, Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady, and others with strong Chinese ties to raise campaign money.
3. President Clinton signed waivers to allow his top campaign fundraiser's aerospace company to transfer U.S. missile guidance technology to China.
4. President Clinton covered up the theft of our most valuable nuclear weapons technology.
5. President Clinton lied to the American people over 130 times about our nation's security while he knew Chinese missiles were aimed at American children.
6. President Clinton single-handedly stopped the deployment of a national missile defense system, exposing every American life to a missile attack, leaving America with no defense whatsoever against an intercontinental ballistic missile.
On March 15, I began my speech by asking the American people to listen as I told them "a story of espionage, conspiracy, deception and cover-up--a story with life and death implications for millions of Americans--a story about national security and a President and an administration that deliberately chose to put national security at risk, while telling the people everything was fine."
In the three months since I made these statements, none of this has been refuted.
Now, I come before you to tell some of the rest of the story that we have learned since March 15. And it is a truly astounding story. We thought the W-88 story was bad--and it is. But with the release of the Cox Report last month, the American people have been presented with documented evidence that the harm that President Clinton has done to U.S. national security is enormously worse than we thought.
On March 15, I said that, as damaging as the W-88 breach was, I believed we had not yet scratched the surface of the national security scandal exposed by this one revelation. I must say that I was right--even beyond my own worst fears.
Let's not be distracted by the self-serving Clinton spin: that everybody does it; that it all happened during previous administrations; that this is only about security at the nuclear weapons labs; that there is equal blame to go around on all sides; that President Clinton acted quickly and properly when he found out; and that the problem is now being fixed.
I am here today to tell you that all of this is wrong. The Clinton spin is nothing more than a dishonest smokescreen designed to divert attention from the real issues. It is also, I believe, an attempt to dissuade people from actually reading the Cox Report and discovering for themselves that the Clinton spin is a snare, a delusion and a lie.
This is why I want to take some time to walk through some of the more important revelations in the Cox Report and to remind my colleagues that we have an obligation to tell the American people the truth--the truth that the media is inexplicably ignoring and that the President seems to hope the people will never find out on their own.
First, let us begin with a simple fact: Sixteen of the 17 most significant major technology breaches revealed in the Cox Report were first discovered after 1994. With the lone exception of the breach of the initial design information of the W-70 warhead (the so-called neutron bomb)--which was first discovered during the Carter administration--everything else was first discovered during the Clinton administration. Let me repeat--sixteen of the 17 most significant major technology breaches revealed in the Cox Report were first discovered during the Clinton administration. Those who tell you otherwise are willfully lying to you.
Second, of the remaining 16 technology breaches, one definitely occurred during the Reagan administration--the W-88 Trident D-5. Seven occurred sometime before 1995, though it is unclear exactly when. And eight occurred--without question--during the Clinton administration.
Let's take a closer look at these. The seven that occurred before 1995 included breaches of information on all of the currently deployed nuclear warheads in the U.S. intercontinental ballistic missile arsenal: the W-56 Minuteman II; the W-62 Minuteman III; the W-76 Trident C-4; the W-78 Minuteman Mark 12A; and the W-87 Peacekeeper. In addition, there was the breach of classified information on reentry vehicles, the heat shield that protects warheads as they reenter the earth's atmosphere when delivered by long range ballistic missiles.
Let me repeat that all of these technology breaches were first discovered in 1995. They were discovered when a Chinese "walk-in" agent actually approached the CIA at a location outside of China and handed them a secret Chinese government document containing state-of the art classified information about the W-88 and the other U.S. nuclear warheads. We still don't know why he did this, but he did.
The Cox Report also tells us that the Energy Department and FBI investigations of this matter have focused exclusively on the loss of the W-88, which we know happened around 1988. There have been no investigations undertaken about the loss of the other warheads, the timing of whose loss cannot be as clearly pinned down.
Next, we move to the other eight major technology breaches revealed in the Cox Report. All of these were not only first discovered during the Clinton administration, they also happened on Clinton's watch:
1. The transfer of the so-called Legacy Codes containing data on 50 years of U.S. nuclear weapons development including over 1,000 nuclear tests;
2. The sale and diversion to military purposes of hundreds of high performance computers enabling China to enhance its development of nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and advanced military aviation equipment;
3. The theft of nuclear warhead simulation technology enhancing China's ability to perfect miniature nuclear warheads without actual testing;
4. The theft of advanced electromagnetic weapons technology useful in the development of anti-satellite and anti-missile systems; 5. The transfer of missile nose cone technology enabling China to substantially improve the reliability of its intercontinental ballistic missiles;
6. The transfer of missile guidance technology (by President Clinton to China) enabling China to substantially improve the accuracy of its ballistic missiles--these same missiles that are targeting US cities;
7. The theft of space-based radar technology giving China the ability to detect our previously undetectable submerged submarines; and
8. The theft of some other "classified thermonuclear weapons information" which "the Clinton administration" (not the Cox committee) "has determined...cannot be made public."
We used to think China was decades behind us in terms of building a modern advanced nuclear arsenal. Now we learn that, later this year, China is planning to test its new JL-2 long range ICBM, a submarine launched ballistic missile with MIRV capability--meaning multiple independently targeted warheads on each missile --almost a replica of our Trident ICBM. This missile will have a range of over 13,000 kilometers and could reach anywhere in the United States from protected Chinese waters.
In addition, we know that China has been helping North Korea, among others, with weapons and technology. North Korea is also expected to test its long range Taepo Dong II missile later this year.
I remind my colleagues we have no defense against either of these potential threats, because of the policy decisions of the Clinton administration. Some one very smart back in 1983 determined that we would need a national missile defense system in place by Fiscal Year 98. We were on track to meet the deadline until 1993 when President Clinton, through his veto power, stopped this missile defense system.
But as the Cox Report points out, nuclear espionage by China is only one part of the problem. China's efforts to acquire U.S. military related technology is pervasive. Operating through a maze of government and quasi-government entities and front companies, China has established a technology gathering network of immense proportions.
They are willing and able to trade, bribe, buy, or steal to get U.S. advanced technology--all for the purpose of enhancing their long-term military potential. Their success is often determined largely by our willingness to make it easier for them to get what they want.
The Cox Report has shed light on the fact that the Clinton administration has actually helped China in its technology acquisition efforts or made it easier for them to commit thefts and espionage. You know the truth is always difficult and controversy is difficult. It is easier to take polls and tell people what they want to hear. But I have to make a decision--who do I love more, this President or America. That is easy. The following are just some of the things that the Clinton administration has done. And I want to applaud Cong. Weldon for helping to bring many of these things to light.
1. In 1993, the Clinton Administration removed the color-coded security badges that had been used for years at Energy weapons labs claiming they were "discriminatory"-- as if that makes any sense whatsoever. Now just a few weeks ago, in the wake of all these revelations, the Energy Department has reinstated the color-coded badges to tell us it is fixing the problem. But I don't hear current Energy Secretary Bill Richardson talking about who created this particular problem.
2. In 1993, the Clinton Administration put a hold on doing FBI background checks for lab workers and visitors, an action which helped to dramatically increase the number of people going to the labs who would previously have not been allowed to have access.
3. In 1995, the Clinton Administration took the extraordinary action of overturning its own agency's decision to revoke the security clearance of an employee found guilty of breaching classified information. When this happened, it sent a message to employees throughout the Department, that this administration was not serious about countering breaches of classified information.
4. The Clinton Administration deliberately, and many would say recklessly, declassified massive amounts of nuclear-related information in what the Clinton administration touted as a new spirit of openness.
5. In the W-88 investigation, the Clinton Administration turned down four requests for wiretaps on a suspect who was identified in 1996 and allowed to stay in his sensitive job until news reports surfaced in 1999.
6. In 1995, someone at the Department of Energy gave a classified design diagram of the W-87 nuclear warhead to U.S. News & World Report magazine which printed it in its July 31 issue that year. Rep. Curt Weldon is still trying to get answers about how this leak was investigated and what was determined. He has good reason to believe the investigation was quashed because it was going to lead straight to President Clinton's Energy Secretary.
7. Career whistleblowers at the Department of Energy, who tried to warn of serious security breaches--people like Ed McCallum, the former security and safeguards chief --were thwarted for years by Clinton political appointees who refused to let them brief Congress and others about what they knew. Trulock was demoted, but will now get to keep his job. McCallum appears on his way to being scapegoated and perhaps fired for trying to tell the truth.
8. Rejecting advice from his Secretaries of State and Defense, President Clinton approved switching the licensing authority for satellites and other high technology from the State Department to the Commerce Department, making it easier for China to acquire U.S. missile technology.
9. President Clinton granted waivers making it easier for U.S. companies to transfer missile and satellite technology to China during the launching of U.S. satellites on Chinese rockets.
10. In 1994, President Clinton ended COCOM, the Coordinating Committee on Multinational Export Control, the multi-nation agreement among U.S. friends and allies that they would not sell certain high technology items to countries like China. When this happened, it opened the commercial floodgates. Ever since, there has been a wild scramble of competition to sell more and more advanced technology to China. As a result, proliferation has never been worse than it has been in the last six years.
11. In a series of decisions throughout his presidency--and many surrounding the 1996 election--Clinton has consistently relaxed export and trade restrictions on various forms of high technology of interest to China.
12. At the same time, President Clinton has ignored or downplayed numerous China's arms control violations by not imposing sanctions required by law. So while we're selling more and more high tech to China, China is sending prohibited military technology to countries like Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Libya and Egypt. And what does the Clinton administration do? Nothing.
What are the motives for all this? Why did the Clinton administration act the way it did, in almost total disregard for any traditional concern for U.S. national security?
The Cox Report did not answer these questions because it was only concerned with the facts of the security breaches themselves, not what was behind it.
But FBI Director Louis Freeh did assign one man to look into this. His name was Charles LaBella, who became head of the Justice Department's China Task Force. He and his investigators spent months looking into the connections, trying to connect the dots with campaign contributions, foreign influences and administration actions. What he found is laid out in a 100-page memo he prepared for Janet Reno. We know this memo argues in favor of the appointment of an independent counsel to carry on the investigation.
But the memo itself has remained secret, even though it has been subpoenaed by Congress. Janet Reno, who rejected its recommendation for an independent counsel, has refused to release the memo to the Congress or to the public. It is time for that memo to be released.
FBI Director Freeh has testified that the public knows only about one percent of what the FBI knows about the Chinagate scandal. It is time for the truth to come out. It is time for the public to get some sense of the other 99% which is contained in the LaBella memo.
Mr. President, over the last six years, President Clinton and his administration have shown a pervasive disregard for national security. In both actions and inactions, this President has broken ranks with the bipartisan consensus about national security that helped us win the Cold War.
His policies and attitudes--towards export controls, nuclear weapons, militarily important high technology, and dealing with our adversaries in the world--have been strikingly different from those of all of his predecessors in the modern era.
His administration has acted as if the end of the Cold War gave them carte blanche license to open the commercial and technology floodgates to countries like China....simply because it was good for business, or good for getting campaign contributions, or good for other domestic political reasons.
The traditional concern about national security--about protecting our nuclear secrets, about maintaining our military and technological superiority, about sanctioning those in the world who engaged in flagrant and hostile espionage and proliferation--all that went out the window, replaced by other priorities this President somehow thought were more important.
President Clinton claims he has "redefined" national security. In fact--as the Cox Report conclusively documents--he has "harmed" national security. This is the message that every American must understand.
My hope is that we never again have a president who is so disrespectful of, and inattentive to, traditional national security concerns. Yesterday at the joint hearing of the Armed Services, Energy and Intelligence committees, I asked whether or not it would be possible to put in place some safeguards so that no future president could ever again so successfully undo the country's national security defenses as this one has. We are working on an answer.
Some of us will continue to speak out--seeing it as our highest duty of public service. As I said on March 15--and repeat again here today-- I only hope America is listening. We have a nation to save.
THE CLINTON NATIONAL SECURITY SCANDAL AND COVERUP
Sen. Hillary... has emerged as a leading voice in opposition to the deal, saying, "Our port security is too important to place in the hands of foreign governments."... This is more than a security problem, she says - it's "a larger problem" of ceding "some of our fiscal sovereignty." ... Hubby Bill, on the other hand, supports Dubai. Big time. He not only supports it, he's even been advising the company on the sly on how to get around the opposition of senators like - well, Hillary. Better still, he reportedly tried to get Dubai Ports World to hire his former mouthpiece, Joe Lockhart, as its new spokesman in Washington. ... Actually, Bill's been a big fan of Dubai for some time now. It goes back to when that government - which actually owns Dubai Ports World - kicked in very big bucks indeed to his presidential library. Talk about having your cake and eating it, too: Despite his support for the company, the former prez says his wife and other critics have a legitimate beef. This neat little arrangement keeps the Clintons covered on all sides of the issue. And it helps tuck a little boodle in the family piggy bank, too. But then, that's the way the Clintons operate. One hand washes the other, and all that matters is advancing the Clinton self-interest. Fiscally. And politically. The legendary Tammany Hall figure George Washington Plunkitt used to put it like this: "I seen my opportunities, and I took 'em." Bill 'n Hill, too. EXCERPT
Sen. Hillary... has emerged as a leading voice in opposition to the deal, saying, "Our port security is too important to place in the hands of foreign governments."... This is more than a security problem, she says - it's "a larger problem" of ceding "some of our fiscal sovereignty."
... Hubby Bill, on the other hand, supports Dubai. Big time.
He not only supports it, he's even been advising the company on the sly on how to get around the opposition of senators like - well, Hillary.
Better still, he reportedly tried to get Dubai Ports World to hire his former mouthpiece, Joe Lockhart, as its new spokesman in Washington.
... Actually, Bill's been a big fan of Dubai for some time now.
It goes back to when that government - which actually owns Dubai Ports World - kicked in very big bucks indeed to his presidential library.
Talk about having your cake and eating it, too: Despite his support for the company, the former prez says his wife and other critics have a legitimate beef.
This neat little arrangement keeps the Clintons covered on all sides of the issue. And it helps tuck a little boodle in the family piggy bank, too.
But then, that's the way the Clintons operate. One hand washes the other, and all that matters is advancing the Clinton self-interest.
The legendary Tammany Hall figure George Washington Plunkitt used to put it like this: "I seen my opportunities, and I took 'em."
Bill 'n Hill, too.
Having failed to snare the Nobel Peace Prize by ignoring terrorism, clinton has apparently decided to intensify his America-bashing on foreign soil, the method employed by Jimmy Carter to great (if somewhat belated) effect. (The Nobel committee, sufficiently mollified only after 24 years of the peanut president's America-bashing, awarded Carter his 1978 Peace Prize finally in 2002.)
Meanwhile, back in the Senate, the missus, the other half of the clinton construct, maintains her hawkish pose (though not without bird problems of another sort).
Yet another example of the clinton conflation ploy, (see SCHEMA PINOCCHIO: how the clintons are handling the hillary dud factor), this variant allows "clinton, the construct" to hold two mutually exclusive positions simultaneously, thereby enabling the missus to avoid in '08 the trap that repeatedly ensnared the ever 'nuanced' Kerry in '04.
Do you now understand how stupid the clintons think you are?
A CALL TO IMPEACH CLINTON IN ABSENTIA
... While America appears not to be ready for a female president under any circumstances, the post-9/11 realities pose special problems for a female presidential candidate. Add to these the problems unique to missus clinton. The reviews make the mistake of focusing on the problems of the generic female presidential candidate running during ordinary times.
These are not ordinary times. America is waging the global War on Terror; the uncharted territory of asymmetric netherworlds is the battlefield; the enemy is brutal, subhuman; the threat of global conflagration is real.
Defeating the enemy isn't sufficient. For America to prevail, she must also defeat a retrograde, misogynous mindset. To successfully prosecute the War on Terror, it is essential that the collective patriarchal islamic culture perceives America as politically and militarily strong. Condi Rice excepted, this requirement presents an insurmountable hurdle for any female presidential candidate, and especially missus clinton, historically antimilitary--(an image, incidentally, that is only enhanced today by her clumsy, termagant parody of Thatcher), forever the pitiful victim, and, according to Dick Morris, "the biggest dove in the clinton administration."
It is ironic that had the clintons not failed utterly to fight terrorism... not failed to take bin Laden from Sudan... not failed repeatedly to decapitate a nascent, still stoppable al Qaeda... the generic female president as a construct would still be viable... missus clinton's obstacles would be limited largely to standard-issue clintonisms: corruption, abuse, malpractice, malfeasance, megalomania, rape and treason... and, in spite of Juanita Broaddrick, or perhaps because of her, Rod Lurie would be reduced to perversely hawking the "First Gentleman" instead of the "Commander-in-Chief."
Mia T, 10.02.05
Hillary Clinton's revisionist tome notwithstanding, 'living history' begets a certain symmetry. It is in that light that I make this not-so-modest proposal on this day, exactly 64 years after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
The context of our concern today--regardless of political affiliation--is Iraq and The War on Terror, but the larger fear is that our democracy may not survive.
We have the requisite machines, power and know-how to defeat the enemy in Iraq and elsewhere, but do we have the will?
In particular, do we have the will to identify and defeat the enemy in our midst?
Answerable to no one, heir apparent in her own mind, self-serving in the extreme, Hillary Clinton incarnates this insidious new threat to our survival.
What we decide to do about Missus Clinton will tell us much about what awaits us in these perilous new times.
And btw, no one is 'my' candidate. I would support an Allen as enthusiastically as I would a Giuliani.
I refuse to help elect a clinton. We no longer have the luxury of time or circumstance to endure another one. (Indeed, it is unclear whether we will survive the first.)
I don't think jla would vote for me. ;)
Thanks for the ping!
Indeed. Thanks for the ping!
You know, we had a boy named Bobby we ran with in our younger days. He went to all these fancy schools, always scored well on tests and such. So he thought he knew it all. He certainly would never take advice from his lessers.
One day we were all standing on the river bank. It was a hot July day, really hot, 100 in the shade. Bobby was intent on getting cooled off, at having his way.
He ran up to the river's edge and we yelled at him, "Bobby, you don't want to jump in there, it's shallow water".
Bobby, being the sophisticated one, paid us no mind. He took a running start and dove head first right into the clear, cool, blue water.
Couple hours later, we all got up from the curb when we seen Bobby coming out of the hospital, his head adorned with a swath of stiches that patched up the crack in his skull after he hit the rock in the river bed.
Ol' Bobby, true unto himself, seen us and exclaimed, "Ha ha! I get outta school for 2 weeks and I'm gettin' ice cream too!"
We boys, who were truly concerned about Bobby, just shook are stupid heads in disbelief.
Little Jimmy O'Malley spoke up, "Hey, why should we care about Bobby? He's treated us all like we're inferior to him and he can tell us what to do?"
Just then, Joshua Mahon put his hand on Jimmy's shoulder and said, "More the reason for us to be friendly with Bobby, showing him that we hold no grudge for him being wrong and his condescending attitude towards us."
I don't see the analogy. I am not disputing what you are saying. I am merely noting that you agree with me. (The condescension is in your head, not mine.)
Nice try avoiding the question. Could you explain why your conscience would be bothered helping to elect Giuliani but would not be helping to elect hillary clinton? I really don't get it.
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
you're welcome :)
You may wish to consider the fact that folks who read your missive might, as I did, take it as an insult. You're telling people who to vote for as if they need to be led around by a school marm lecturing a class of children.
Now, you of course won't agree, but I'm telling you, Miss NY'er, that is how Mr and Mrs. Southern Baptist will interpret it.
And I'd agree with them.
Perhaps you try seeing things thru a real-life prism instead of some algebraic equation.
Nice try avoiding the question.
Let me tell you once and for all - I avoid no questions. Christians won't support a person who advocates policies in polar opposition to their beliefs, and those beliefs are what have been instilled in them from the Holy Bible and/or Torah.
If you can't comprehend this then you really don't know the mindset of of the Christian Right, not one iota.
They are not going to vote for your people. Do you understand this? They are not. They will not. How much clearer can I make it?
As much as I hate to say it, you, and the Clintons, do not figure in the minds of Christians as much as obeying God does.
I know that may seem silly to you, but it'd true! Believe me, it really is! These folks have the nerve to think God is wiser than you all!
You may wish to consider the fact that folks who read your missive might, as I did, take it as an insult. You're telling people who to vote for as if they need to be led around by a school marm lecturing a class of children.
Your position--the evangelical ethos-- is PRECISELY my premise, my starting point. Your position--stated above--is PRECISELY why I cannot understand how you would help to elect HILLARY, someone who is anathema to all you profess to believe.
And that is exactly what you'd be doing if you sit out the presidential election or vote for a 'Perot.'
Just because you are not physically pulling the lever or marking the box or touching the square next to the name 'hillary clinton' doesn't mean you are not helping to elect her. You are playing with your mind if you think otherwise.
Why do you refuse to address this point? I know it's difficult, a dilemma, but ignoring it won't make it go away.
Were you aware that clinton had equated the Religious Right with the islamo-fascist terrorists, with the enemy? That he was attempting to transfer onto the Religious Right the hate and fear and disgust one feels for the islamo-fascist terrorists? In a church, no less? And to what the clintons believe to be a vulnerable, easily demagogued population?
That was the purpose of this thread. To inform you of this. To let you hear clinton for yourself.
Don't you want to know fully what the clintons think of you and to what extremes they are willing to go to harm you, to defeat you, to crush you? Or do you think that by ignoring this, it, too, will go away.
As a Jew, I am sensitive about ignoring such threats to my existence. I am hoping, therefore, that you pay it some heed and not make the same mistake my brethren made almost seven decades ago.
I wonder what the wonderful 'church hats,' would make of this clinton racebaiting and hate....
survival in the balance fyi
Exactly, very much so. / Bttt
thx :) bump
Bttt again for the night owls to ponder.
thx again :)
and again :)
AFTERWORD: A note to the Religious Right
I am not arguing that you change your deeply held convictions. To the contrary.
Your convictions--the evangelical ethos-- is precisely my premise, my starting point. It is precisely why I cannot envision how you would doing anything to help elect hillary clinton, someone who is anathema to all you believe.
But that is exactly what you would be doing if, in the next presidential election, you stay home or vote for a 'Perot.' You don't have to physically pull the lever or mark the box or touch the square next to the name 'hillary clinton' to help elect her. To think otherwise is to play with your mind.
It is tempting to rationalize this issue... even to ignore it. It's a difficult issue. It's a dilemma. But rationalizing the issue won't make your actions morally right... and ignoring the issue won't make it go away.
The clintons equate the Religious Right with the islamo-fascist terrorists, with the enemy. They are attempting to transfer onto the Religious Right the hate and fear and disgust Americans feel for the islamo-fascist terrorists. To disseminate their vile invective, the clintons chose a church for the venue and what the they believe to be a vulnerable, easily demagogued population for the audience. (A population they've exploited forever.)
The purpose of this article is to inform you of the clintons' contemptible and dangerous scheme. To let you hear clinton for yourself.
It is critical that you know fully what the clintons think of you and to what extremes they are willing to go to harm you, to defeat you, to crush you.
You must not ignore or rationalize away this threat to your existence. As a Jew, I tend to be vigilant about such threats. I implore you to do likewise. You must not make the same mistake my brethren made almost seven decades ago.
This is a fascinating (although short) thread. I would be interested in your thoughts.
This is a fascinating (although short) thread. I would be interested in your thoughts
re: Bill's sermon
welcome back and thx. :)
"FURTHER EVIDENCE WHY SHE IS ONE OF THE MOST DESPICABLE POLITICIANS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW"
by Mia T, 3.26.06
My point remains the same: The Religious Right has its survival (and very possibly America's) in its control.
The choice is stark: Stay home and place a de facto vote for the clinton-Soros-democrat machine, i.e., the people who want to crush you (and the party who will cripple Bush and lose the war)...
or support Bush and the war effort, and vote for an admittedly imperfect GOP.
Let down the curtain: the farce is done. (Rabelais)
COPYRIGHT MIA T 2006
or support the war effort, and vote for an admittedly imperfect GOP that is still acceptable to the Christian Right. In doing so, the ideals of Jefferson and Reagan will again take precedence and flourish.
Editing happily provided by jla.
I disagree with the premise of your edit, jla.
In the end, voting is something we do, not something that is done to us. And it is an individual act, not groupthink.
Each of us has it in us the power to overcome the demagoguery and marginalization (and worse) from the Left, and any sanctimony--imagined or real--from the Right, to make sure the commander in chief has the means to continue to prosecute the war and protect the nation.
I don't understand this statement, please clarify.
And it is an individual act, not groupthink.
Of course it is, (an individual act). But many, (millions actually), of individuals share the same basic premise in regards to what constitutes a political candidate that they would support and vote for.
Each of us has it in us the power to overcome the demagoguery and marginalization (and worse) from the Left,
I put the key word of your remark in bold font. For the last few years your clarion call, Mia, has been 'we must set aside our individual preferences, ethical/moral standards, and beliefs and vote (R) no matter even if the candidate's conviction are the polar opposite...all for the common good, (am I the only one who sees the contradiction here?), of beating the (D)'.
and any sanctimony--imagined or real--from the Right, to make sure the commander in chief has the means to continue to prosecute the war and protect the nation.
It is not imagined, and you know that to be so, Mia.
The young lady to whom this message is attached is very bright, very imaginative, and loves America. She just has a problem with placing her priorities in the proper hierarchical order. Take her under your noble wing, explain to her what you meant in the Declaration of Independence and how your solemn and inspiring words should be applied by the thoughtful American. Take heed though, for she will contest many of your posits in the fields of science as well as critiquing your scheme to convert our nation to the decimal system, and she may suggest architectural amendments that should be made to your home, (and you will probably agree with her, at times). Oh, and be sure to show her the improvement you made on the plow moldboard...then put her to work. Getting in touch with the soil would be of unfathomable benefit to the girl. To be sure, you will find her engaging, charming and winsome. She is just in need of a (founding) father figure to not so much set her on the right path, but keep her from wondering off the road and stepping into a ditch.
Thank you, and best regards,
A lovely letter to TJ. Thank you, jla. :)
Voting is an individual act, but we no longer have the luxury of time or circumstance to indulge our individual sensibilities.
As for the sanctimony, I cannot say whether it's real. I don't know what is in their hearts.
But I do know this: I'd take the party of sanctimony any day over the party of extermination.
(Pre-clinton thinking, that's what....
Putting doctrinal purity ahead of making sure a defective and dangerous clinton never again controls this country is pre-clinton thinking.
We no longer have the luxury of time or circumstance to massage our sensibilities, to indulge our indignations.
We will not survive another clinton. (We may yet not survive the first one.))
Happy knowing you took it in the spirit* intended. (As I knew you would).
* Mine and that of 1776.
Goodnight and Golightly, Mia T
great animation. Captures the Amish way of life/aesthetic.
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