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Mammoth meals helped early tribes thrive
The Times ^ | April 18, 2006 | Mark Henderson

Posted on 04/17/2006 7:13:44 PM PDT by george76

REGULAR meals of mammoth meat helped some early human tribes to expand more quickly than their largely vegetarian contemporaries, according to a genetic study.

Human populations in east Asia about 30,000 years ago developed at dramatically different rates, following a pattern that appears to reflect the availability of mammoths and other large game.

In the part of the region covering what is now northern China, Mongolia and southern Siberia, vast plains teemed with mammals such as mammoths, mastodons and woolly rhinoceroses and the number of early human beings grew between 34,000 and 20,000 years ago.

Further south, where the terrain was covered in thick forest, the population expansion began much later - between 18,000 and 12,000 years ago.

Chris Tyler-Smith, of the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute in Cambridgeshire, who led the research, said: "The only robust explanation for the early success of the northern populations is that they enjoyed a better and richer diet: they thrived on mammoths and other large animals."

A diet rich in mammoth meat would have improved overall nutrition, giving people a ready source of protein and fat that would have been invaluable during the last ice age, Dr Tyler-Smith said.

"The mammoths' value would not just have been for food: they would also have provided materials such as skins and bones for use in clothing, shelter and toolmaking.""


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1 posted on 04/17/2006 7:13:46 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

PETA will not be pleased.


2 posted on 04/17/2006 7:15:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: george76

Supersize me.


3 posted on 04/17/2006 7:16:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: fanfan; SunkenCiv

Meat Good.


4 posted on 04/17/2006 7:16:56 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Dog Gone

Perhaps we can convince PETA to go the way of the mammoth, out of solidarity....


Have to put a lot of ketchup on them though...


5 posted on 04/17/2006 7:17:12 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (A Turk is always a Turk, but you don't know WHAT a Christian will do.)
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To: Dog Gone

Bad news for PETA, ELF, and ALF.


6 posted on 04/17/2006 7:18:20 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I knew this from watching the Flintstones.


7 posted on 04/17/2006 7:19:09 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: george76; aculeus; Senator Bedfellow; MississippiDeltaDawg

Jumbo portions.


8 posted on 04/17/2006 7:19:12 PM PDT by dighton
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To: cripplecreek

A mammoth burger or a mammoth, mammoth burger.


9 posted on 04/17/2006 7:19:33 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Donald Meaker
MORBO FINDS PETAFREAKS TO BE STRINGY AND BITTER. BRING ME KITTENS!!

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10 posted on 04/17/2006 7:22:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: george76

Looked at slightly differently, it appears that people in the North have a tendency to work hard and maximize the potential use of their surroundings. People in warmer, more Southern areas have a tendency to kick back and take it easy. "Don't worry, be happy."


11 posted on 04/17/2006 7:23:31 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: Grampa Dave; GreenFreeper

"early human tribes to expand more quickly than their largely vegetarian contemporaries..."


12 posted on 04/17/2006 7:24:00 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Can you imagine the drumstick?


13 posted on 04/17/2006 7:26:24 PM PDT by pissant
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To: george76

Mmmm. I want some ribs.

14 posted on 04/17/2006 7:27:36 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (If you have a leaking pipe, you shut off the water valve before deciding on amnesty for the puddles.)
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To: george76

Hold on a minute. I'm just imagining what a mammoth porterhouse would look like.


15 posted on 04/17/2006 7:29:01 PM PDT by RichInOC ([cue Aaron Copland's "Hoedown" and Sam Elliot saying...] "Mammoth...it's what's for dinner.")
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To: george76
Vegetarian: Indian word for "bad hunter."
16 posted on 04/17/2006 7:29:34 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Interim tagline: The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: george76

Oh my. That does look delicious.

17 posted on 04/17/2006 7:29:37 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 90-96)
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To: george76

Bummer - I was looking for a justification for eating mammoth meals, not meals of mammoth!


18 posted on 04/17/2006 7:31:51 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (Covered by the Holy Spirit and armed to the teeth.)
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To: george76

Top of the food chain, Ma!


19 posted on 04/17/2006 7:35:17 PM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: george76
I just knew that BBQ and grilling was good for you.

All the vegetarians I know are always sickly and ill more often than me. And they whine a lot too. The poor things are unhappy and in need of a good steak and a glass of red wine.
20 posted on 04/17/2006 7:35:38 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: Alouette
I am reminded of that delightful Jimmy Buffett song " Cheeseburger is Paradise".
21 posted on 04/17/2006 7:37:14 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If one applied the same laws of nature to humans as are applied to wild life, one could surmise that a hard life in a demanding climate removed the weak and the stupid from the human gene pool before they could reproduce. This, of course, strengthened the human population in the northern areas, but just the opposite happened in the southern areas where there was little or no "pressure" on the human population.


22 posted on 04/17/2006 7:44:27 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: george76
Scientists 'to clone mammoth'


23 posted on 04/17/2006 7:51:11 PM PDT by Conservative Firster
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To: pissant
Can you imagine the drumstick?

Seriously. Like buffalo wings from a real buffalo!
24 posted on 04/17/2006 8:02:03 PM PDT by hypocritter
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To: george76

All this talk about food is making me hungry, now where did Wilma put those brontosaurus burgers....
25 posted on 04/17/2006 8:15:53 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (El Chupacabra spotted near U.S./Mexican border feeding on illegal immigrants. Pass it on..)
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To: Conservative Firster

Chances of making a mammoth successfully, 80 to 90%.
That's about 15 X better then drawing an antelope tag in Oregon. When can I put in for my mammoth tag?


26 posted on 04/17/2006 8:22:59 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: ClearCase_guy
Looked at slightly differently, it appears that people in the North have a tendency to work hard and maximize the potential use of their surroundings. People in warmer, more Southern areas have a tendency to kick back and take it easy. "Don't worry, be happy."

And perhaps the challenge of surviving a cold snowy winter produced people with greater thinking capacity. Food is not available year 'round. One must prepare and plan ahead. And your tribe had to prepare and store food for the winter

27 posted on 04/17/2006 8:27:14 PM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: DJ Taylor
If one applied the same laws of nature to humans as are applied to wild life, one could surmise that a hard life in a demanding climate removed the weak and the stupid from the human gene pool before they could reproduce. This, of course, strengthened the human population in the northern areas, but just the opposite happened in the southern areas where there was little or no "pressure" on the human population.

Deserts are also demanding environments. I would say it made the Arabs tougher even though today they mostly live in cities.

28 posted on 04/17/2006 8:30:04 PM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: george76

Who paid Captain Obvious to do the research on this brilliant theory?


29 posted on 04/17/2006 8:37:38 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

We also recently learned that it is the sun that is causing global warming.


30 posted on 04/17/2006 8:57:51 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Conservative Firster
Scientists 'to clone mammoth'

Russians and Eskimos to get a nice hunting trade in 50 + years.

How'd you like a Mammoth Rug and some tusks for a trophy room?

31 posted on 04/17/2006 9:26:51 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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32 posted on 04/17/2006 9:53:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: george76
This Pleistocene "vegetarian contemporaries" idea is a PETA induced fantasy. Trust a British paper to include it in a science story.

Clue to the Times,
"Humans evolved beyond their vegetarian roots and became meat-eaters at the dawn of the genus Homo, around 2.5 million years ago, according to a study of our ancestors' teeth."
(http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4122)

33 posted on 04/18/2006 4:19:57 AM PDT by Varda
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To: george76

".....Meat Good....."

Yep....think I'll take some venison out of the freezer....


34 posted on 04/18/2006 5:37:09 AM PDT by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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To: Cold Heart

Bear tastes better than antelope (to me, anyway), and you can buy a bear permit over the counter in Oregon. Why go after antelope?


35 posted on 04/18/2006 5:39:35 AM PDT by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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To: Conservative Firster

"Last year, the Vladivostok News in Russia reported that scientists believed they could resurrect extinct animals - such as the mammoth and the woolly rhinoceros - to create a prehistoric safari park in northern Siberia.

The region's limited infrastructure was seen as one of the obstacles to establishing such a sanctuary."

Talk about putting the cart before the mammoth.

What ever happened to the talk about cloning from this frozen mammoth tissue?


36 posted on 04/18/2006 5:49:35 AM PDT by RouxStir (No islam, know peace.)
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To: Renfield

I have my spring bear permit and am ready to go. I even picked up some sausage casings two days ago.

Antelope? I spent 13 years putting in for a tag before I got drawn. I didn't get an antelope but it was a memorable different kind of hunt.


37 posted on 04/18/2006 5:59:56 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Centurion2000
I wrote a thesis paper while I was in school (@ 15 yrs. ago) stating that it was only a matter of time before the scientists cloned mammoths. The technologies involved were heading toward each other at that time. Do you know about the Sierra Club and some of the other related groups that are buying up land across the world to create Pleistocene parks to put these creations on? One of them currently owned takes up parts of Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. They want to get rid of all trace of humans and fill it with mammoths,camels,lions, cave bears, whatever THEY think is the closest relation to the last ice age.
Theoretically, We WILL be able to clone anything up to 40,000 years ago. Giant armadillos, Giant Sloths,dodo birds, woolly rhinos, any of the saber-toothed cats, you name it, It could really be done. So, my point of all of this is, with the direction that these radical groups like the Sierra Club are heading, we may all get a chance someday to see these creatures again, for better or worse. What happens when saber-toothed cats decide we make easier prey? Here in Texas, it's a hanging offense to have a pair of fence cutters in you're back pocket(never enforced anymore), would that law get reinstated after some high school seniors decided to pull a trick, cut the fence, and got eaten? On the other hand, placing the park down on the border with Mexico might fix a few things too. Forget just building a fence. Feed the cats, AND stop Illegal Immigration, now that sells!

I don't know anymore, the world's becoming a weird place to live in.
38 posted on 04/18/2006 6:04:52 AM PDT by DavemeisterP (It's never too late to be what you might have been....George Elliot)
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To: DavemeisterP

"Theoretically, We WILL be able to clone anything up to 40,000 years ago."

1776 Philadelphia Theme Park complete with living cloned Founding Fathers?


39 posted on 04/18/2006 6:15:01 AM PDT by RouxStir (No islam, know peace.)
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To: pissant; george76

Don't forget the barbequed ribs! MMMM!


40 posted on 04/18/2006 6:33:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: hypocritter

Yum. I wonder if it has a wishbone.


41 posted on 04/18/2006 7:09:30 AM PDT by pissant
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To: george76

42 posted on 04/18/2006 8:13:44 AM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: RouxStir
The 40,000 year old figure has something to do with the breakdown of DNA components, so it's not just a figure thrown out there. Wanna see what the dwarf humans in the eastern Indian Ocean looked like? Neanderthals? If you clone another species of primate, is that considered human rights advocation? It's not a matter of when, .....You'll see. Here's something scary - Part of the research I did came across a rhesus monkey named ANDi (iDNA backwards). This monkey has the protein gene inserted into it's strand that makes the jellyfish glow. The phosphorescence is created by running a black light across his body, which in turn makes him shimmer like a thousand little fiber optic cables. Look it up,...freaky. He's a few years old now. Another interesting one is that the scientists have taken the protein gene out of several spiders that causes the creation of spider webs, implanted them into the mammary glands of goats and are mass producing spider silk from the milk created.( Spider webs have the highest tensile strength of anything that light)They're being used for sutures and body armor. Another freaky one is that the scientists have discovered the gene that makes the head of a rat, and have created cloned headless rats. Why would anyone want to do this, you may ask? Think about it, if you could clone a headless human, there wouldn't be any human consciousness, and therefor nobody would would be able to argue the whole human rights cloning thing, would they? Protein genes are easy to implant into any genetic structure. Wanna swim faster? Web feet are an example. I think I remember gills being a protein gene, but that seems a little far fetched. They could make us glow though,and learn to express ourselves with it. Hell, they already have fish for sell that change color to identify contaminants in the water, pH, and temperature. That just started this year. Look these up, it'll give you goosebumps. After that, you won't think cloning a mammoth is such a far out thing to do.
43 posted on 04/18/2006 8:40:12 AM PDT by DavemeisterP (It's never too late to be what you might have been....George Elliot)
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To: george76

Or, maybe those cold northern climes just made people horny.


44 posted on 04/18/2006 9:04:02 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: george76

Mmmmmmmmmm Mammoth meat. (Drooling Homer Simpson)


45 posted on 04/18/2006 2:48:55 PM PDT by TheGunny (Re-read 1&2 Corinthians)
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To: george76

Mammoth burgers, just the sound of it has my mouth watering.
Mammoth STEAKS, give me one three inches thick!
Mammoth boudan, Mmmmmmmmm.
Drive 'em over a cliff and "LET'S EAT!!!"


46 posted on 04/18/2006 3:00:58 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: george76

"Four brontosaurusburgers, please."


47 posted on 04/18/2006 3:16:54 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: DavemeisterP

Gene for phosphorescence? Cool. Now all we need is to have that implanted in our genome, plus the gene for chlorophyll, and we can generate our own food!

[rimshot!]


48 posted on 05/03/2006 8:23:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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