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Ancient DNA (Cheddar Man, Otzi, Etc)
International Society Of Genetic Geneology ^ | 1-7-2007

Posted on 01/07/2007 5:11:17 PM PST by blam

To see the DNA results of some of the ancient people click here. You'll have to scan around to find this exact page but it contains many links of interest.

A compilation of DNA haplotypes extracted from ancient remains

Cheddar Man

In 1903, skeletal remains were found in a cave in Cheddar, England. The remains of a 23 year-old man, who was killed by a blow to the face, were discovered to be at least 9,000 years old. Ninety-four years after the discovery of "Cheddar Man", scientists were able to extract mitochondrial DNA from his tooth cavity. Name Haplo Haplotype Cheddar Man U5a 16192T, 16270T

Bryan Sykes, and his team at Oxford University distributed DNA test kits to local Cheddar schools, and a match was found to a local schoolteacher, Adrian Targett. (More) on Cheddar Man.

Ice Man - Otzi of Italy

Widely known as "Otzi (Oetzi)" the Iceman found in 1991 in the Italian Alps, is also known as "Similaun Man". Of the Neolithic era, Otzi lived between 3350-3300 B.C. in the "Copper Age". He was believed to be 46-years old when he died at the top of a mountain pass from wounds received. (More)

Name Haplo Haplotype Ice Man K 16224C, 16311C

Ice Maiden - "Juanita" of Peru

Also known as "Juanita", the Inca Ice Maiden was discovered on Mount Ampato, near Arequipa, Peru by Johann Reinhard in 1995. She was sacrificed sometime around the ages of 12-14 and lived about 500 years ago. Her body lay frozen at the mountaintop until a nearby volcanic eruption melted Mount Ampato's ice cap.

Name Haplo Haplotype Ice Maiden A 16111T, 16223T, 16290T, 16319A

Luke the Evangelist - aka St. Luke

A doctor, but better known as the biblical author of the "Gospel According to Luke", Luke the Evangelist was believed to have been born in Antioch, in the Roman province of Syria. Historical sources cite that he died at the age of 84 in Thebes (Greece) around the year 150 A.D. His body was interred first in Constantinople, and then later transferred to Padua, Italy. Geneticists have tested the remains believed to be those of Luke, and sampled Syrian and Greek populations for comparison. They've determined that the body attributed as Luke's, is likely of Syrian origin. (Source)

Name Haplo Haplotype Luke H 16235G, 16291T

The Norwich Anglo-Saxon

Is the Anglo-Saxon skeleton found at Norwich Castle indeed of Romani origin as stated in the media? (Source) Or does the young Anglo-Saxon just share a partial haplotype similar to a Romani? (View sequences)

Name Haplo Haplotype Anglo-Saxon X 16189A, 16223T, 16271C, 16278T

The DNA Saga of King Tut

Will he or won't he be tested? That is the question! In December 2000, a team of Japanese scientists announced that they had received approval to DNA test the most famous of ancient Egypt's kings. (Source) By 2001, Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities reversed their decision to allow testing. (Source) Another announcement to do forensic testing on King Tut came in 2004, but was halted after a public outcry. (Source)

Western European DNA found in Central Asia

DNA analysis of the remains of nomadic peoples in Kazakhstan provides evidence of Western genetic influence in Asia between the 15th century BC and the 5th century AD. (Source)

mtDNA Lineages from the Basques of Aldaieta

HVR1 mitochondrial DNA sequences from a 6th-7th century Basque burial site reveals a diverse genetic population indicating that the Basques may not have been an "isolated" population. (Source)

2,000 Year-Old Cemetery in Egyin Gol Valley, Mongolia

mtDNA, Y-chromosome DNA and nuclear DNA was successfully extracted from a Mongolian cemetery containing 99 individuals. (Source)

Neanderthal DNA

Several ancient Neanderthal remains have been typed and found to differ significantly from human mitochondrial DNA. (Source) Amazingly, a team of scientists in Germany have recovered and sequenced Y-chromosome DNA from a 49,000 year-old Neanderthal. (Source) For more info and sequences

Coming soon: Mycenaean Shaft Graves NOT coming soon: Kennewick Man

NOTE: All of the above haplotypes are the result of scientific genetics studies, and most, if not all, have been published in scientific journals. Submissions of additional haplotypes are welcome, please submit the values along with an online link to the scientific publication of the subject's study to ISOGG. Submissions will be reviewed and ISOGG reserves the right to accept or decline submissions. The purpose of the "Ancient DNA" page is to provide a compilation of DNA results of ancient homo sapiens for comparison and educational purposes only.


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KEYWORDS: dna; geneology; genetic; godsgravesglyphs; norwich; roots
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1 posted on 01/07/2007 5:11:18 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Oh geez...I'm R1b...just like Charlie Rose! Yecchhhh...


2 posted on 01/07/2007 5:13:50 PM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: SunkenCiv; Coyoteman
GGG Ping

I'm into chapter four of Stephen Oppenheimer's book, Origins Of The British, and I always thought I knew who I was, a WASP.
Instead, I'm learning that I may be related to Cheddar Man, lol.

3 posted on 01/07/2007 5:15:40 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
"That's a good looking mummy ... "
4 posted on 01/07/2007 5:17:35 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream, that sees beyond the years)
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To: blam

Shouldn't it be Central Asian DNA found in Western Europe rather than the other way around? The Aryans are considered to have been based in Central Asia before moving west to Europe, and southeast to Iran, Pakistan, and India.


5 posted on 01/07/2007 5:17:51 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( WND, NewsMax, Townhall.com, Brietbart.com, and Drudge Report are not valid news sources.)
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To: blam
They missed one:

I have a mtDNA sample from a 5300 year old individual excavated on the California coast. It was determined to have Haplogroup A (the basal haplotype).

That same haplotype is still present in living descendants.

Just think what will be learned in the near future! This method of mtDNA analysis has been common for only about 15 years or so, with most studies coming from just the past few years.

Should get these results submitted for publication within the next few weeks (still waiting for one more determination).

6 posted on 01/07/2007 5:17:56 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: All

see it's 1500 BC and AD 400.


7 posted on 01/07/2007 5:18:57 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( WND, NewsMax, Townhall.com, Brietbart.com, and Drudge Report are not valid news sources.)
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To: blam

We are on the verge of some really interesting discoveries. DNA analysis will tell us tons about our ancestors and how each of us are related, where they came from, when they migrated, etc.

It would be nice if the test were cheap and timely such that a portion of the world's population could have their DNA cataloged. Would genealogy research easy.


8 posted on 01/07/2007 5:19:08 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
"It would be nice if the test were cheap and timely such that a portion of the world's population could have their DNA cataloged."

I think National Geographic has a program and they'll do it for $99.00. I'll see if I can find a link.

9 posted on 01/07/2007 5:27:35 PM PST by blam
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To: dhs12345

Prsent genealogical research is based on the less than tenable theory that a woman's husband was always the biological father of her children. DNA research may put a crimp in this theory.


10 posted on 01/07/2007 5:27:59 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: blam
In 1903, skeletal remains were found in a cave in Cheddar, England. The remains of a 23 year-old man, who was killed by a blow to the face.

Cheddar Man, hum? But will they ever find out who cut the cheese?

11 posted on 01/07/2007 5:28:01 PM PST by xJones
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To: blam
I want them to get the DNA of a Neanderthal, mix it with a Cro-Magnon, clone it, and see if the kid turns out to be a Democrat. Just a theory studying how Democrats came to be.

"You Zog, have work all year saving food to prepare for winter. We have lay on our ass and done nothing. Therefore you must give us 80% of all you food....You get 10%...No make that 5 %..Also that crazy Saber tooth who is killing us all the past 30 year...It you fault. You try to stop him last week from killing us and that make him want to kill us."

12 posted on 01/07/2007 5:28:59 PM PST by Screamname (My name is Screamname and I approve this message.)
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To: xJones

ha ha ha good one


13 posted on 01/07/2007 5:29:11 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()...On 9-11 & 7-7 Islamic missionaries came a callin'.....()
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To: dhs12345
The Genographic Project (Have Your DNA Checked, Find Your Roots)
14 posted on 01/07/2007 5:31:30 PM PST by blam
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To: Coyoteman
"I have a mtDNA sample from a 5300 year old individual excavated on the California coast. It was determined to have Haplogroup A (the basal haplotype)."

Where is the 'homeland' of the haplotype A ?

15 posted on 01/07/2007 5:32:50 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
"I have a mtDNA sample from a 5300 year old individual excavated on the California coast. It was determined to have Haplogroup A (the basal haplotype).

Where is the 'homeland' of the haplotype A ?

Seems to be eastern Siberia, but I think there's more to be found.

16 posted on 01/07/2007 5:37:09 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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"Seems to be eastern Siberia, but I think there's more to be found."

Where, in your area?

17 posted on 01/07/2007 5:47:10 PM PST by blam
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To: Screamname
ROFLMAO!

Ain't it the truth though!

18 posted on 01/07/2007 6:00:27 PM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: blam

He was probably performing an early version of the MP cheese shop sketch.


19 posted on 01/07/2007 6:06:20 PM PST by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: blam

later


20 posted on 01/07/2007 6:19:36 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: blam

Well, this was an awful lot of effort to get ancient DNA. Why didn't they just visit the offices of Senator Bobby "KKK" Bird???


21 posted on 01/07/2007 6:22:21 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Pharmboy

Cheddar man - the original cheese head.


22 posted on 01/07/2007 6:25:42 PM PST by DManA
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To: xJones

Obviously, he was a Packers fan.


23 posted on 01/07/2007 6:35:58 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: blam

Great! Sounds really cheap though.


24 posted on 01/07/2007 6:52:01 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: DManA

Excellent...I think he was around when the Packers first started the franchise. HA!


25 posted on 01/07/2007 6:57:18 PM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: Sherman Logan
Promiscuity was certainly more common than most would think.

Also, certain traits such as sickle cell are a result of response to environment.
26 posted on 01/07/2007 7:02:06 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Pharmboy

But! But! What about Piltdown Man. Or that giant, what's his name?
Yog Suthoth!


27 posted on 01/07/2007 7:10:28 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: blam
Thanks. Would be nice if the information were posted in a public database. Also, ethical and legal issues if the database is public. I will check it out.

What is scary is that we might find that many of us are more closely related than we think.

My wife and I both have German and Scottish ancestors.

I have wondered how closely related we are. And people who have children with genetic related diseases. They may be more closely related than they realize.

A unique problem for Americans since we can't trace our ancestry as well as native Europeans.
28 posted on 01/07/2007 7:13:05 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Don't know about that giant, but it appears you are frightfully behind the times..."Piltdown Man" was exposed as a clever fraud more than 60 years ago. What happened...your subscription to Nature expire?
29 posted on 01/07/2007 7:17:51 PM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: dhs12345
The Norse Code

Article by Neil Macphail in the Main on Sunday, 28th September 2003

Are you a MacDonald herding sheep on your lonely croft? A MacDougall commuting home from your office job? Or even a MacAlister living a quiet but humdrum life?

If so, there is every possibility that lurking in your body is the genetic fingerprint of one of Scotland's greatest warriors - a fearsome man capable of tearing the heart out of a Viking foe.

An Oxford University scientist has traced the Y-chromosome, which determines maleness, of the founder of Clan Donald - the great Somerled of Argyll, who was born around 1100 and drove out the Viking invaders

. Geneticist Bryan Sykes says this microscopic fragment of the fearsome fighter still lives on in the DNA of half a million clansmen throughout the world. Indeed Professor Sykes says the Y-chromosome of the Gaelic warrior, who it seems had Norse blood himself, is so prevalent it could be among the most successful in the world.

Prof. Sykes and his team made the discovery almost by accident while they were researching genetic links between the Scots and the Vikings and looking for Norse Y-chromosomes.

He and researcher Jayne Nicholson had taken thousands of DNA samples from men in the Highlands and Western Isles, and spotted a group that stood out.

They were at first puzzled, then Miss Nicholson looked at the donors' names. These revealed that among the men with the identical Y-chromosomes were MacDonalds, MacAlisters and MacDougalls.

Prof. Sykes said: "There didn't seem all that much in it until Jayne said quietly that these clans were related.

"The possibility that this Y-chromosome was inherited from the common ancestor of the MacDonalds, MacDougalls and MacAlisters was incredibly exciting.

They wrote to dozens of those clansmen throughout Scotland, enclosing a sampling brush for them to collect DNA from inside their cheeks. In the samples of those who replied, they found a single common Y-chromosome. To be double sure this was Somerled's, Prof Sykes embarked on a sensitive piece of research involving the living chiefs of the Clan Donald and their septs.

He said: "I wanted to see if the clan chiefs still alive, whose recorded genealogies descend from Somerled, also shared the same chromosome. This was a delicate task. We might find one or more of the chiefs did not have it - meaning one of their paternal ancestors might have been adopted, or had not been the biological father of his heir.

He approached Lord Godfrey Macdonald, Sir Ian Macdonald of Sleat, Ranald MacDonald of Clan Ranald, William McAlester of Loup and Ranald MacDonnell of Glengary, enclosing a DNA brush.

The result was conclusive: 'They all shared the same chromosome. There was now no dought we had identified the legacy of Somerled.'

Now the only one whose lineage is in doubt is Somerled himself. Tradition says he descended from the ancient Irish kings - but Prof. Sykes says the chromosome proves his Norse ancestry.

Somerled

30 posted on 01/07/2007 7:23:27 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Hey, they used the same font I used for this:

31 posted on 01/07/2007 7:36:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("I've learned to live with not knowing." -- Richard Feynman)
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Thanks Blam. I think it's hard to find a *grater* discovery. [rimshot!]

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32 posted on 01/07/2007 7:38:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("I've learned to live with not knowing." -- Richard Feynman)
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To: dhs12345
We are on the verge of some really interesting discoveries.

I thought it was a break through when we all decided that Carvel was related to Neanderthal. The story left out the part were Cintoon had the hots for the ice maiden.

33 posted on 01/07/2007 7:45:51 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: SunkenCiv

You have evolved into quite a skilled punster...LOL!


34 posted on 01/07/2007 7:48:44 PM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: martin_fierro

ping


35 posted on 01/07/2007 7:51:43 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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36 posted on 01/07/2007 7:54:46 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Pharmboy
No, it's Pete Rose. Want to bet?
37 posted on 01/07/2007 8:04:52 PM PST by fish hawk (. B O stinks. That would be body odor and Barak Obama)
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To: Screamname

btt


38 posted on 01/07/2007 8:05:50 PM PST by Ciexyz (Remembering President Gerald Ford with respect.)
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To: Pharmboy

Nope. Created that way. ;')


39 posted on 01/07/2007 8:07:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("I've learned to live with not knowing." -- Richard Feynman)
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To: blam
"Seems to be eastern Siberia, but I think there's more to be found."

Where, in your area?

I doubt that. I would be looking more along the coastlines of the western Pacific.

(Sorry about the all blue in the previous post. Had to rush out to help with an injured horse and didn't take time to preview.)

40 posted on 01/07/2007 8:14:51 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Very interesting! Many thanks for the ping; as always.
41 posted on 01/07/2007 9:02:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Sherman Logan

The DNA family studies I've looked at (ones where a number of people are researching a related ancestory), and have tested people in the same purported lines) have shown an amazing amount of faithfulness...more than modern assumptions would lead one to believe...


42 posted on 01/08/2007 5:30:40 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Interesting.


43 posted on 01/08/2007 5:38:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Knitting A Conundrum; Sherman Logan

> The DNA family studies I've looked at (ones where a number of people are researching a related ancestory), and have tested people in the same purported lines) have shown an amazing amount of faithfulness...more than modern assumptions would lead one to believe... <

Good observation. I can offer at least two hypotheses by way of explanation. And they aren't by any means mutually exclusive:

1. Families that value "faithfulness" will also tend to value the study of family history. So there's a self-selection bias among those people who study genealogy, whether or not they employ DNA analysis for their research.

2. Faithfulness is also correlated with factors that contribute to "family survivability" or "fitness" -- such as education, health status, and income. So over the long span of history, more children conceived "within marriages" will have survived to adulthood and will have borne children than will have children conceived in extra-marital and non-marital circumstances.

[Obviously however, the second hypothesis may lose its explanatory value for future generations of researchers, due to today's social pathology whereby out-of-wedlock births have lost most of their historical stigma and where government welfare programs have positively encouraged illegitimacy.]


44 posted on 01/08/2007 7:51:33 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Pharmboy

Wazzamatta U? No sense of humor? Cardiff Giant? Wasn't that the other fraud?
Where's Java man?


45 posted on 01/08/2007 8:15:33 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

HAHA...HOHO...HEEHEE...Oh boy...ya gots me...I'm laughing so hard I'm crying here...you must be life o' the party.

The Giant and Piltdown were hoaxes. Java man Homo erectus...


46 posted on 01/08/2007 10:04:46 AM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: Pharmboy
Hmmm! You really don't have a sense of humor then? Of course they were fake! But the hubbub surrounding them was hugh and series when they were first "discovered." And, didn't Java man go missing for a long time? Or was that another partial skeleton? "Piltdown Man" was my favorite segment from Oldfield's "Tubular Bells."
47 posted on 01/08/2007 10:25:47 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
It was Peking Man (again, Asian Homo erectus) that was and IS still missing. Lost during WWII...all we have are the casts of the fossils.
48 posted on 01/08/2007 10:40:27 AM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: Pharmboy
"It was Peking Man" Thanks! I didn't really think it was Java Man, but Peking (or is it Beijing?) Man was lost somewhere in the gray matter jumble.
49 posted on 01/08/2007 10:44:41 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: blam
Very interesting. Our Scottish ancestors are Munro (me) and Kerr (my wife). I am betting that there was a bit of intermarriage between the clans.

And I also have some Swede in me.
50 posted on 01/08/2007 12:05:38 PM PST by dhs12345
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