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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Doe Eyes; Strategerist
But our country is nothing like California
FWIW, overall, It's more like California than it is like FR - simple reality.
More donations to FR come from California than any other state.

I reluctantly acknolwedge that our country is more like California than not (coast dominated by densly populated and highly Democrat/liberal voting blocks, the rest of the area predominantly Republican/conservative), and take HUGE COMFORT in the revelation of FR's majority of donations coming from California. Maybe the nation is more conservative that we suspect.

3,141 posted on 04/22/2007 4:42:13 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: KATIE-O
I thought you banned yourself on the other thread?

Oh well, I'll just say it here as well.

Hip Hip Hooray!
Hip Hip Hooray!
Hip Hip Hooray!

3,142 posted on 04/22/2007 4:42:13 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Howlin
Since then, it's been the "real, true" conservatives turning their backs on the Republican Party whenever they don't get their way.

If the GOP would stick to a strong conservative-libertarian philosophy, all of the problems we have now would be eradicated, Howlin. Don't you get tired of Republicans acting like Democrats? Or is it OK with you because you don't want to miss out on the $1,000-a-plate fundraisers and handing out GOP campaign literature.

3,143 posted on 04/22/2007 4:42:52 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bump for Fred in 08! :0)


3,144 posted on 04/22/2007 4:42:59 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.......)
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To: wagglebee
Rudy’s support among FReepers is incredibly low and I have a feeling that many of them are FReepers who have departed for WideAwake but haven’t been banned.

I wish them luck with that. Secret discussions are no way to promote a candidate.

3,145 posted on 04/22/2007 4:43:00 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: KATIE-O

Go screw yourself, you little twit.


3,146 posted on 04/22/2007 4:43:13 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Politicalmom

You’re not going to force me to defend Rudy when I have repeatedly said that I’m not in his camp.

I could answer your post if I was his lawyer, or if I were advocating for him at this forum. I’m neither.

I want him and his supporters to be treated fairly on this forum. I’m less worried about him than I am his supporters.

Who exactly is the official announced candidate that all FR members must support at the risk of being zapped? I missed the memo, and I thought I was on the distribution list.


3,147 posted on 04/22/2007 4:44:10 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Chuck Dent

Your correct in saying that the Pubbie party is acting like a centrist one. That is exactly the problem. They have abondoned the tenets outlined in the party platform.


3,148 posted on 04/22/2007 4:44:29 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: habs4ever

You have re-written the definition of “Ugly American”

Now go home to your momma.


3,149 posted on 04/22/2007 4:45:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Politicalmom
You are the liar!! Read every post on this thread. It's there. Some idiot says he would vote for Hillary over Rudy!

True Conservatives??? Pffffft!!!

3,150 posted on 04/22/2007 4:45:18 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - '08 (But Only If We Want To Win!))
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To: dirtboy
I don't think they have....but you can bet that if Rudy gets in,,,,

HE WILL!!!!

3,151 posted on 04/22/2007 4:45:52 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: EternalVigilance

You are a disgusting, impotent Lemming Twit!!


3,152 posted on 04/22/2007 4:46:24 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - '08 (But Only If We Want To Win!))
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To: veronica

How can you “not accept my characterization” of him as a liberal? The ONLY area in which he is in agreement with conservatives is the war on terror and national security is not really a conservative or liberal issue (it sometimes seems like it is because conservatives generally support the WOT and liberals generally don’t; but it has been made into a political issue, historically national security has been apolitical).

Would you label Joe Lieberman a conservative? What about Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt, are they conservatives? (The fact is that both Daschle and Gephardt are MORE CONSERVATIVE than Rudy.)


3,153 posted on 04/22/2007 4:46:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dog Gone

YOU called him a social moderate. In order to be a “moderate” Republican there have to be people to the left of him IN the party.

Nobody ever seems to be able to name any. Therefore he is LIBERAL.


3,154 posted on 04/22/2007 4:46:35 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: mkjessup
Go screw yourself, you little twit

Now there's a nice response from a "Christian". LOL.

3,155 posted on 04/22/2007 4:46:49 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: mkjessup
Go screw yourself, you little twit

Now there's a nice response from a "Christian". LOL.

3,156 posted on 04/22/2007 4:46:50 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: KATIE-O

So get lost already! We thought you were leaving, you need JimRob to nuke you so you feel ‘SPESHUL’?

Enough, you twit. You’ve shown your true colors, now do yourself a favor and hit the road.


3,157 posted on 04/22/2007 4:47:24 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT
It's not my decision to make, but I don't mind them because they expose themselves.

There should be a rule against telling total lies though, except I don't think some of them know the difference.

They really have drank the koolaid, or just jumped on the bandwagon because of the others lies.
3,158 posted on 04/22/2007 4:47:26 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: KATIE-O
Conservatives are exposing socialists who pretend to be Conservatives.

You won't have to ban me, because I am banning YOU!!!!! Then this will be your last post?

It's a HATE ZONE, and one of the worst I've ever had the misfortune of donating my hard earned dollars to.

Your right! We hate socialists! Spoken like a true socialist.

I was taught that to love Jesus is to love one another and to be tolerant of each other and to try to understand another's view point without being judgmental.

Tell that to abortion loving Giuliani.

This is still America and we are still free to THINK and to vote for the candidate of our choice without being called Liberals, Socialists, Abortionist Pigs, Asswipes, and other demeaning names.

And conservatives are free to expose socialists disguising as Conservatives!

I am a free thinking, intelligent CONSERVATIVE American and a Republican who will vote for who ever gets my party's nomination for President. I will also continue to support Rudy Giuliani and have ordered my Bumper Stickers and Lawn Signs after reading some of the garbage posted here.

A conservative who supports a socialist candidate who is pro abortion, pro illegal immigration, anti 2nd amendment rights and is against the Defense Of Marriage Act? You have been at the wrong site all along.
3,159 posted on 04/22/2007 4:47:31 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Chuck Dent

You got it Chuck.

The term RINO is used as a pejorative in simplistic saber-rattlings, not reasoned debate. Someone else kindly pointed this out to me last week and it took a bit to sink in.

Why should I take offense at being called a RINO? I am a RINO! I’m also a student of conservatism. The Republican party is the original “big tent” party. It is the mechanism for my participation in American politics. Like it or not, the current paradigm is a two party system. I certainly have NOTHING in common with the Dhimmis, so that leaves me the Republican party to further my aspirations. It is a grossly inexact system, but what are you gonna do?

The problem we face today is that some are saying that we must abandon our conservative principles and “go with the flow”. No thank you. “The Republican Party must reach out to the left if we are to pick up the votes we need in order to win”. Win what, exactly?!

What is the point of “winning” the battle and losing our souls?

That might make me a RINO, or paleo-whatever, but I have a thick skin (and a firm grip on my principles).


3,160 posted on 04/22/2007 4:47:48 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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