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Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP
The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

Posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:47 PM PDT by snopercod

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- This year's highly publicized job losses in North Carolina manufacturing, including the Pillowtex bankruptcy, could mean trouble next year for President Bush in a region that was a stronghold in 2000.

Bush won more than 56 percent of the vote in both North Carolina and South Carolina in 2000. But his strong support of free trade has turned some against him in the South, where U.S. trade policies are blamed for the loss of jobs in textiles and other manufacturing sectors.

Andy Warlick, chief executive officer of Parkdale Mills in Gaston County, said he doubts he will repeat his 2000 vote for Bush next year.

"He made a lot of promises and he hasn't delivered on any of them," Warlick said. "I've had some firsthand experience of him sending down trade and commerce officials, but they're just photo ops. It's empty rhetoric."

Fred Reese, the president of Western N.C. Industries, an employers' association, said executives are beginning to raise their voices against Bush and are planning education and voter drives.

"We're seeing a new dynamic where the executives and employees are both beginning to see a real threat to their interests. You're going to see people who traditionally voted Republican switch over," Reese predicted.

The hard feelings were on display days after Pillowtex's July 30 bankruptcy filing, when Republican U.S. Rep. Robin Hayes walked into a Kannapolis auditorium to meet with former workers.

"Thanks for sending the jobs overseas, Robin!" shouted Brenda Miller, a longtime worker at the textile giant's Salisbury plant.

In December 2001 Hayes -- who is an heir to the Cannon family textile fortune -- cast the tie-breaking vote to give Bush the authority to negotiate "fast-track" trade agreements, trade treaties that Congress must vote up or down with no amendments.

At the time, Hayes said he won promises from the Bush administration that it would more strictly enforce existing trade agreements and pressure foreign countries to open their markets to U.S. textiles.

"Are we pleased with the way they responded? Absolutely," Hayes said. "Are we satisfied with where we are? Absolutely not."

Jobs in many industries have fled overseas since 1993, when Congress passed the Clinton-backed North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA. About half the textile and apparel jobs that existed in 1994 are gone.

Since Bush took office in January 2001, it is estimated North Carolina and South Carolina have lost more than 180,000 manufacturing jobs.

And even more textile jobs could be out the door once quotas on Chinese imports expire at the end of next year.

Republican U.S. Rep. Cass Ballenger voted for NAFTA and fast-track, and has seen his 10th District lose nearly 40,000 jobs, primarily in the textile and furniture industries.

"Certainly, there's a political cost to any controversial vote no matter which side you take," he said. "People are casting stones, but we're trying to pick them up and build something."

Democratic U.S. Sen. John Edwards voted against fast-track in 2002 after voting for an earlier version. In 2000 he voted for permanent normal trade relations with China.

Recently, though, while campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination, Edwards has attacked Bush's trade policies and called for fairer trade measures.

Robert Neal, vice president of the local chapter of the Pillowtex workers' union, said Hayes has worked to try to ease the impact of job losses in his district.

"Though he (Hayes) voted for fast-track, he is really concerned about the workers and their conditions in the state of North Carolina," Neal said.

Not everyone feels that way.

Reese is organizing 1,500 manufacturing companies across North Carolina in an effort to leverage what he calls a new voting bloc.

In South Carolina, voter drives are planned for the first time at Milliken & Co., which has about 30 plants in the state. Mount Vernon Mills of Greenville, S.C., is forming a political action committee.

The company's president Roger Chastain, a one-time Bush voter, doesn't expect to support the president or Jim DeMint, a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Democrat Ernest Hollings.

"We're basically liquidating our whole middle class, polarizing people on the two extremes, have and have-nots," Chastain said of the manufacturing job losses. "We'll be a Third World country."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: economy; fasttrack; jobs; manufacturing; nafta; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; pillotex; treetrade
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Constitution Day made me post this story.
1 posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:47 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: Constitution Day; Willie Green
Sure, make me take the heat from the bush-bots...

Seriously, the misguided folks on this forum that think any country can survive by manipulation symbols need to try a little exercise.

For an entire day, write down everything you touch or use to survive. Start with the pencil and paper and go on from there. Note where each object is made.

At the end of the day, write a 200 word essay describing how you can get along with all those physical objects, because very soon, you're going to have to.

2 posted on 08/25/2003 2:12:04 PM PDT by snopercod (Our research showed that good grammar is now used only half as much as it was 10 years ago.)
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To: snopercod
Oh right...North Carolina's going to vote for Howard Dean.
3 posted on 08/25/2003 2:14:41 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: snopercod
Constitution Day made me post this story.

Tsk, tsk.
I can't even make my wife do anything, much less you! ;)

4 posted on 08/25/2003 2:16:00 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: snopercod

OPEN ASSIGNMENT
MISSION TO SAVE AMERICAN JOBS
August 25, 2003

President Bush:

Mr. President your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to recover the 3+ million jobs lost on your watch. You are to find where they went, recover them, and prevent this from happening again.

You have until November 2004 to complete this mission.

If you choose not to accept this mission, or are incapable of performing, don't run in the GOP Primary so another Republican can accept this important mission for America.

American Citizen Voter

PS Ronald Reagan was the last Republican to understand. Ross Perot sent a warning to your Dad but since then all we hear is the mantra, 'Perot gave us Clinton'. Actually your Dad gave us Perot.

5 posted on 08/25/2003 2:17:12 PM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need BALANCED Trade. We buy from you. You buy from us.)
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To: snopercod
"We'll be a Third World country."

Can we institute repressive voting restrictions??

6 posted on 08/25/2003 2:18:11 PM PDT by Huck
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To: *Old_North_State; **North_Carolina; Constitution Day; mykdsmom; 100%FEDUP; ...
This is sure to foment some lively discussion among NC Freepers.
Now, if you will excuse me, I will be back on this thread tonight.


NC ping!
Please FRmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.

7 posted on 08/25/2003 2:19:00 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: snopercod
The CEO of the company I work is against sending jobs overseas and thinks it is slowly destroying the American Industrial base.

GW as well as Clinton in his days, worshipped at the altar of the Arabs for cheap oil and the Chinese for cheap labour. All this at the expence of the American Middle class. We are told to retrain...yet now high paying jobs technical jobs are going to Asia.

The only one's profiting form it are the Chinese dictators who get their cut, and the middle men who arrange those deals.

Is it free trade when a Chinese worker is forced to work for penies to the dollar by his dictatorial government? Some free trade.

The democrats and the republicans are guilty of this.
8 posted on 08/25/2003 2:20:51 PM PDT by dinok
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To: harpseal
ping
9 posted on 08/25/2003 2:23:29 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: My2Cents
Yep, North Carolina's stuck on the Republican plantation. No one in the right mind would vote for Howard Dean to lead anything beyond a socialist worker's party. So Bush's hatchet man, trade rep Robert Zoellick, can go right on working deals to export our jobs and no one can stop him.

What's Dole's stance on this?
10 posted on 08/25/2003 2:25:37 PM PDT by lelio
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To: My2Cents
Yeah, we Southerners are treated the same by the yankee republican establishment as the RAT party treats the ni**ers up North. They think we'll vote for them regardless of how badly they screw us over.

Bless their souls, they even gave us a carpetbagger senator last year just like during reconstruction.

They might have a little surprise in 2004.

11 posted on 08/25/2003 2:27:29 PM PDT by snopercod (Our research showed that good grammar is now used only half as much as it was 10 years ago.)
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To: snopercod; Lazamataz; Texas_Dawg
"We'll be a Third World country."

Are we all gonna die?

12 posted on 08/25/2003 2:28:01 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg
"Are we all gonna die?"

If we lose the next election I wouldnt rule anything out.

13 posted on 08/25/2003 2:29:18 PM PDT by SouthParkRepublican
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To: snopercod
Everyone acts like the president can wave the magic wand and make this stop. In a lot of ways it reminds me in the 80's when everyone was scared "robots and "computers" were going to elimanate ones job.

These same people who are worried about outsourcing are the same people who probably are big fans of the Internet. Our Internet/Web Site could do the work that it would have taken 2 people to do 5 years ago.

Does that make me a "free trader?"
14 posted on 08/25/2003 2:30:31 PM PDT by jern
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To: lelio
What's Dole's stance on this?

Who knows? She never says anything - she's too busy going to cocktail parties in her philosophical home D.C. and figuring out ways to make our government bigger and more intrusive.

Does she even have a website yet? She didn't about a month ago.

15 posted on 08/25/2003 2:31:07 PM PDT by snopercod (Our research showed that good grammar is now used only half as much as it was 10 years ago.)
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To: snopercod
At the end of the day, write a 200 word essay describing how you can get along with all those physical objects, because very soon, you're going to have to.

This isn't 200 words, but...I get along with all of them just fine.

16 posted on 08/25/2003 2:32:17 PM PDT by TheBigB (Some say shoot to kill. Others say shoot to maim. I say empty the f'n clip and let God make the call)
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To: jern
Does that make me a "free trader?"

No, that make you a symbol manipulator.

17 posted on 08/25/2003 2:33:10 PM PDT by snopercod (Our research showed that good grammar is now used only half as much as it was 10 years ago.)
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To: snopercod
BTTT!
18 posted on 08/25/2003 2:33:22 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: dinok
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/959787/posts
Lawmaker predicts defeat for 'Buy American' language (Defense Department procurement update)


"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade." ~ Karl Marx, On the Question of Free Trade, January 9, 1848 http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/01/09ft.htm#marx


"Communists and socialists feel sure that setting up international “free” trade systems which impose regulations chuck full of intrigues, redistribution plans, arbitrary law, and interdependence schemes, will win out against the conservative interests of every free nation. What could be better than to use “free” trade to reverse the advantage of the relatively free, moral, prosperous,
and strong nations of the Earth, so that the tyrannical, amoral, poor, and weak nations of the socialist bloc might get the upper hand? What could be a more cunning approach than to market the idea that those who oppose “free” trade are enemies of freedom?"
http://www.newsmax.com/commentarchive.shtml?a=2000/6/27/105655


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19 posted on 08/25/2003 2:34:03 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: snopercod
Would you consent to being leader of the group "Freepers for Dean"?
20 posted on 08/25/2003 2:34:26 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: jern
'Does that make me a "free trader?""'

I think the proper spelling of the name above (as deemd by the anti-business socialists) is "Free Traitor."

Apparently anyone who believes in the free market is also a Red Chinese Commie Pinko. (according to all the anti-business-save-my-job-at-any-cost types)

I hope that helps you with your question.

21 posted on 08/25/2003 2:36:23 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: snopercod
"At the end of the day, write a 200 word essay describing how you can get along with all those physical objects, because very soon, you're going to have to."

Wrong. I've already got them.

22 posted on 08/25/2003 2:36:38 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (This Islamo-fascism has been brought to you by Saudi Arabia!)
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To: snopercod
Sounds like they are not too happy with their U.S. Representative either. Perhaps the GOP will lose some congressional seats next election. It is also possible more voters will just stay at home on election day.
23 posted on 08/25/2003 2:36:46 PM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Ben Ficklin
We could call it FReDeanonia!
24 posted on 08/25/2003 2:36:49 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Mad Dawgg
Are we all gonna die?

Actually, there is an inverse correlation between poverty and longevity.

So to answer your question...Yes, statistically, you will die sooner than you otherwise would have if America becomes a third-world nation.

25 posted on 08/25/2003 2:37:03 PM PDT by snopercod (Our research showed that good grammar is now used only half as much as it was 10 years ago.)
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To: snopercod
I'm concerned about jobs going overseas or to Indian engineers.

My husband's company is closing their Silicon Valley office. My husband doesn't know if he'll have an offer to go to another office or not.

If he doesn't get another offer, we don't know what we'll do. He's made great salary here, and we've barely managed on it. The cost of living in Silicon Valley.

Most of the software jobs are going to Indians on H1-B visas. So that leaves the American software engineers without a job, unless they take a substantial paycut.

I've been lucky to be a stay-at-home mom, but I'm worried that I may have to go back to work. However, I'm also a software engineer, and I don't know who would hire a software engineer that hasn't worked in almost 10 years.
26 posted on 08/25/2003 2:40:10 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Ben Ficklin; Darth Sidious
Would you consent to being leader of the group "Freepers for Dean"?

Naw...Darth Sidious already tried that and got banned.

I'm looking to vote for a candidate (of any party) which will stand up for the principles on which this nation was founded. Individual freedom, limited government, and rule of law.

Seen any lately?

27 posted on 08/25/2003 2:41:11 PM PDT by snopercod (Our research showed that good grammar is now used only half as much as it was 10 years ago.)
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To: jern
He can stop the amount of H1-B visas being handed out.
28 posted on 08/25/2003 2:41:55 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: TheBigB
Duh. I meant "without". Bad fingers, BAD!
29 posted on 08/25/2003 2:42:20 PM PDT by snopercod (Our research showed that good grammar is now used only half as much as it was 10 years ago.)
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To: snopercod
"Yes, statistically, you will die sooner than you otherwise would have if America becomes a third-world nation."

Yes but I am one of the so-called "Free Trader Elite" so therefore I won't be listed among the downtrodden proletariat when third world status comes along. I will be in charge of funneling all of the economic aide provided by the European union to all of the unwashed masses. Therefore I will skim all the cream off the top and live like a king!

< /Sarcasm > (for the sarcasm impaired among you)

30 posted on 08/25/2003 2:44:03 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: snopercod
As I recall, you didn't vote for Bush in the last election?
31 posted on 08/25/2003 2:44:53 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: sarcasm; clamper1797; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; GiovannaNicoletta; Caipirabob; Paul Ross; ...
Ping on or off let me know
32 posted on 08/25/2003 2:46:35 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: ex-snook

The cure for outsourcing is simple. Congress should pass a law saying that no CEO of any US company can make more than 15 times the average wage of his employees. It certainly would be a cut for the CEO if the average wage of his company's employees was 5,000 a year, as it is in India. Congress already has passed a law limiting salaries to CEOs, though companies then began giving stock options to get around the cap. With the lousy stock prices the past 3 years, that's no bargain. This would be the perfect solution because then everyone can suffer equally....or be rewarded equally.
33 posted on 08/25/2003 2:53:52 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: luckystarmom
I've been lucky to be a stay-at-home mom, but I'm worried that I may have to go back to work.

Bump, and highlight. This is the crux of my argument. Yes, you can get cheaper stuff at Wal-Mart, that somewhat compensates for the lower wages people make in the retail sector. However, the slow demolition of the manufacturing base, has created unwilling moms in the workforce. We know what this is doing to the fabric of our society. Latchkey kids tend to get into more trouble.

It's something both radical feminists and radical free traders don't address. What about the american family? Are your free trade ideals worth more than the family? We have opened up trade, we have let our manufacturing base go. Housing hasn't gotten any cheaper though. You still need manufacturing job wages to buy a home. Therefore, both parents work. It is tearing our nation apart at it's seams, and wild eyed feminists and free traders pretend the problem doesn't exist.

Hand in hand these two groups have destroyed 200 years of values, culture, identity in pursuit of the purity of their ideas. Are we better off than we were in 1970? Sure we might have computers, and dvd players... but are we a better people?

34 posted on 08/25/2003 2:55:10 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: My2Cents
"Oh right...North Carolina's going to vote for Howard Dean."

No, they can just stay home and not vote.

35 posted on 08/25/2003 2:58:51 PM PDT by etcetera
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To: kittymyrib
"The cure for outsourcing is simple. Congress should pass a law saying that no CEO of any US company can make more than 15 times the average wage of his employees."

Wow, you should read Atlas Shrugged.

You wanna hear a giant sucking sound? Enact that law and watch how fast every blue chip company in America leaves US soil!

36 posted on 08/25/2003 2:59:27 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
What we will probably see is the return of divided government. Bush might well be reelected but if he is it will be by a public that wants no more wars and more attention to the hemorhagging of America's capital base at home. He will have a Democratic Senate and House.

The fascinating thing about free traitor types is their obliviousness to anything but libertarian doctrine. The collapse of America's ability to maintain superpower status, a widening gulf between haves and have nots, net downward social mobility, a huge and growing underclass, hey that's AOK so long as free trade reigns supreme. Sacrificing the lives and well being of the living to an ideal of a pure society in pure indifference to real world consequences is a very European thing to do. Americans judge a policy by results.
37 posted on 08/25/2003 3:00:00 PM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: jern
Everyone acts like the president can wave the magic wand and make this stop. In a lot of ways it reminds me in the 80's when everyone was scared "robots and "computers" were going to elimanate ones job.

In the eighties via tariffs and quotas Ronald Reagan did address the problem.

These same people who are worried about outsourcing are the same people who probably are big fans of the Internet. Our Internet/Web Site could do the work that it would have taken 2 people to do 5 years ago.

The concern is not increased productivity the concern is the subsidies for offshore investing the dispatrity of tariffs and the predatory trade practices of foreign governments like india and China.

India has the second hishest tariffs in the world.

Does that make me a "free trader?"

I don't know do you define Free Trader as one who suuports our current trade envirornment with aaverage 70% Chinese tariffs on American made consumer goods vs their preffered access to American markets? Adam Smith the definer of Free Trade theory would not have called this Free Trade and these conditions would meet his Free Trade definition or when to apply tariffs.

38 posted on 08/25/2003 3:01:27 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Perhaps instead of calling names you could try addressing the issues raised.

39 posted on 08/25/2003 3:03:20 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: snopercod
Bump.

I feel your pain.

40 posted on 08/25/2003 3:04:36 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Mad Dawgg
"Atlas Shrugged" ?

Is Ken Lay some kind of iron jawed John Galt ? Is Michael Eisner Howard Roark ? Do you think corporate America is run by heroic ubermensch ? It's run by bean counters and bureaucrats indifferent to anything but their bonuses and as interchangeable as spoons.

"Dilbert" is closer to the real world of corporate America than "Atlas Shrugged".
41 posted on 08/25/2003 3:04:38 PM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: snopercod
When and if GWB decides he wishes to be more than a one term President he will sign or some variant.


In no particular order of importance.

1. Get rid of government subsidies for offshore investment of US companies. OPIC is the first such program which should go but support of World Bank programs that subsidize the outflow of Capital would be another.

2. Use tariffs on those nations which are engaged in unfair trade practices such as currency manipulation (China and India for example), those nations which refuse to open their markets to US products (China for example with its 50% tariffs on US consumer goods and non tariff barriers), those nations that subsidize competition to American Industry (airbus for example) and those nations which have slave conditions for their workers.

3. Use tariffs and other means to prevent the relocation of jobs offshore that are essential to the national defense. If necessary take control of the company seeking to export vital technology or industry by means of eminent domain (No I do not like this last option and I will only defend its use as an absolute last resort like say in the case of rare earth magnets essential to smart bomb technology). Provide a hardened, widely distributed infrastructure to supply all that is needed for our military units and civil defense that can be continued to be deployed in the event of any military attack.

4. An immediate end to guest worker programs. If people wish to come to the USA to work and make a life let them immigrate according to the rules.

5 Provide economic development zones where the corporate income tax is zero for operations within these zones. In order to operate in this zone a company must agree to only purchase American components if available and employ only American citizens or legal immigrants in these operations. These economic development zones shall be eventually be expanded to include every bit of every state once the benefits are shown I would like them to be totally implemented immediately but I realize4 that may be overreaching. It must be stated for clarification that simply being in the geographic area of the zones does will not subject any company to any new mandatory regulation. Everything is voluntary for getting the exclusion from corporate taxation. The profit attributable to direct imports is subject to the same rules that exist everywhere else in this nation for corporate taxation. Only free from such taxation is the profit attributable to American content and any American improvement. In short no new mandatory regulation will be a part of this. It is my opinion that there will not be a lack of companies seeking this tax relief. And no the regulation implied is absolutely minimal in order to get this through.

6. Scale back unnecessary regulation including the tort system. Institute a cap on punitive damages, limits on class action suits, and limits on liability to the actual percentage of liability with no plaintiff able to collect if said plaintiff was involved in the commission of a felony at the time of the alleged tort or was more than 49% negligent in the alleged tort. Note that the loser in a frivolous lawsuit shall pay the attorney fees of the winner. There are many other regulatory structures that also need to be included that need to be included such as repealing the Family leave mandate, getting rid of OSHA etc.

7. Increase the domestic content in purchases by the Department of defense and give absolute preference in non-domestic content to proven allies of the USA over say the French or Germans. The only reason any content for DOD purchase may come from non US allies is that content is not available elsewhere and is essential.

8. Do not allow expense involved in moving operations overseas to be included in business expenses under the IRS code.

9. Prosecute for perjury anyone who has made a false statement in order to employ an H1B or L1 visa worker. I will be lenient on the actual perjurer if he/she was ordered to make this false statement and he/she provides testimony to aid in the conviction of the person ordering the perjury. Just because a person is a CEO does not give them a pass on criminal behavior.

10. Prosecute anyone who orders the transfer of vital defense technology or funds a R&D project that could be of use to our military overseas except to strong allies of the USA. Make the necessary enhancements to our espionage laws so that continued support or funding of any R&D in a nation whose government has threatened the USA is guilty of espionage. The UK and Australia come to mind as meeting these criteria for being eligible for transfer of technology first. There will be other nations and a gradation of what can be transferred to which specific nation. Under no circumstances may technology be transferred to any nation whose government has threatened the USA within five years without a complete change of government or specific exemption from Congress and the administration.

11. Deport all illegal aliens immediately and take measures that prevent the entry of any more illegal aliens. Fine all companies knowingly employing illegal aliens Criminal sanctions should be imposed on anyone helping an illegal alien stay in the USA in violation of our laws.

12. Decrease the punishing levels of taxation on companies and eliminate the double taxation on corporate dividends. See effects of item 5 for how minimal this will be if item 5 covers the entire USA. Eliminate all IRS provisions that inhibit free use of independent contractors by businesses for example section 1706.

13. Eliminate the minimum wage so that the worker can be paid based on productivity. Overtime compensation will remain the same but instead of 150% of the "wage" the worker would receive 150% of the production pay. If one through 13 are enacted # 14 becomes an irrelevancy as no one will be working for that low a wage.

Now since I started posting this plan another idea has come up that in my opinion is a very good policy that stands on its own. Now I give credit to Jim Gibson and Freeper Ed_in_NJ for coming up with the idea, separately to the best of my knowledge. However I can be corrected on that. The tariff phrasing is from Jim Gibson.

“I suggest that the US Customs Department charge a $1,000-per-container inspection fee on every container entering the United States. This fee would be used to completely fund the cost of inspections. If we assumed that a four-man team could fully inspect two containers a day or about 500 per year, it would require 48,000 inspectors. Allowing for at least 2,000 support personnel, we would need at least 50,000 workers. Because these workers would require high intelligence and skill levels they should earn at least $30 per hour. At 40-hour weeks plus benefits, I estimate the cost per worker to be over $75,000 per year, all paid by the foreign manufacturers. Even so, this would still leave over $2.25 billion to cover all other costs. Any revenue not used would be used to compensate American workers displaced by foreign imports. “

I urge and encourage everyone who agrees with this plan and or the terror tariff idea to communicate this to every politician you can think of.

I note he had no problem triangulating the AWB issue away from teh Democrats he sure better use teh same political sense on this issue.
42 posted on 08/25/2003 3:05:09 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: My2Cents; All
Oh right...North Carolina's going to vote for Howard Dean

They will vote AGAINST Bush!

43 posted on 08/25/2003 3:05:49 PM PDT by Lael (It is time to make "OUTSOURCING" the litmus test!!)
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To: RaceBannon; snopercod
Like I been saying, oil is to Arabs as labor is to communist Red China; and they both regard the pooling of such assets, to be their domain ... at any cost.
44 posted on 08/25/2003 3:07:18 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: luckystarmom
And L-1s.
45 posted on 08/25/2003 3:08:43 PM PDT by Mini-14
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To: Mad Dawgg
Yes but I am one of the so-called "Free Trader Elite" so therefore I won't be listed among the downtrodden proletariat when third world status comes along. I will be in charge of funneling all of the economic aide provided by the European union to all of the unwashed masses. Therefore I will skim all the cream off the top and live like a king!

The Free Trader elite will probably be among the first to feel teh effects of the social unrest as the reigns of civility slip off the population and someone crys Havoc and lets slip the dogs of war. Remember without doing something about tarde very soon we will have a Democrat as President now who is descrivbed as the anti-Dean among Democrat movers and shakers? Hint duaghter of Satan formerly employed by teh Rose Law firm and a genius at futures trading.

Boy you sure sound like your a Dawg from Texas

46 posted on 08/25/2003 3:10:42 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: TheBigB
I used to have a great relationship with my coffee table but I've drifted.... now Im just using it.
47 posted on 08/25/2003 3:10:50 PM PDT by Camel Joe (Proud Uncle of a Fine Young Marine)
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To: kittymyrib
My cure for outsourcing is simple, too. If most of the people you hire are not Americans, you're company is NOT AMERICAN. You cannot hide behind the legal and security protections of the United States when you are a de facto China-based or India-based company.

Your executives can live in the squalor of the third-world countries they exploit.

American Express should be required to change its name to India Express as its corporate call centers are now based in that country.

To be considered an American corporation, the majority of your employees must be American (What a concept!).

48 posted on 08/25/2003 3:11:28 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Mad Dawgg
There is no way out of this as the ponzi game of fiat money is about to implode as the "Two-Party Cartel" has sucked America dry. We can't have the oil at cheaper prices because we just might see the real DEFLATION hit us as to where all can see. And the stock market rise. Somebody has some "spla'in" to do.
49 posted on 08/25/2003 3:11:33 PM PDT by Digger
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To: etcetera
You and who else?
50 posted on 08/25/2003 3:12:19 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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