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1 posted on 04/13/2013 2:54:16 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 04/13/2013 2:54:40 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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3 posted on 04/13/2013 2:55:25 PM PDT by narses
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Not this junk, again?

How many times must we tell you, if the Roman organization interpreted the Scriptures anywhere near what the texts actually say, someone might listen? Further, if Rome's doctrines would comport with the Scriptures (the ones Rome pretends to have delivered and now claim to dominate), folks may give them the time of day.

But, the additions and abberations by Rome are so many and so gross that real believers rely on the Book for truth just as the Book itself teaches. Tim. Thank God we don't need that monstrosity Rome.

4 posted on 04/13/2013 3:08:26 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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The Bible is the Word of God. It is faithful and true (Revelation 21:5) just as Jesus is Faithful and True (Revelation 19:11).

It is not possible to understand the Bible without being indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

“For what man knoweth the things of a man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheeth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:11-14)


8 posted on 04/13/2013 3:26:48 PM PDT by nonsporting
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Thank you, Papa.

The Church is OLDER than the New Testament, and the Church chose the 27 books of the New Testament. It was written BY the Church, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, FOR the Church. When Scripture is removed from the Church, the whole book is out of context.


10 posted on 04/13/2013 3:37:05 PM PDT by Hilda
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Perhaps this book will be everything its defenders seem to suggest at this time; and I, for one, pray that it is. But my concern is with Archbishop Gerhard Muller. He is a modernist of the first order who is responsible for earlier writings that have been read by many to suggest that the Consecrated Host is not the actual Body and Blood of jesus Christ, but only a “symbol”; and that the virginity of the Blessed Virgin was not to be understood as an unbroken “hymen”, but rather, a “spiritual virginity”. He never denied or explained his writings, and the only defense was offered by others who said his German was “mis-translated”. I don’t know, and maybe it was, and indeed, this may be different. But he and the others are modernists that stand by the heresies of Vatican II, so it would not surprise me to see them doubling down on this notion by trying to tell the gullible what the Bible really means “today” in this “modern” world.
I say be very very cautious.


22 posted on 04/13/2013 3:51:42 PM PDT by tomsbartoo (I'd go slow)
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But it is asserted that Christ built His church on one flawed (as are we all) human being, rather than on the profound, foundational core of TRUTH which that flawed man has just finished confessing, namely, Who and What Christ is.


24 posted on 04/13/2013 3:53:53 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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I can’t post the “Aw jeez” guy here because of the vulgarity of the caption, so I’ll have to ask everyone to just please consider it posted.


50 posted on 04/13/2013 6:25:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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Stand back, pagans! The “Christians” are killing each other again!


58 posted on 04/13/2013 7:28:31 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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Repearing this for the non-Catholics.

The Catholic faith is not centered simply on a book -- the Bible -- but on Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh

67 posted on 04/13/2013 8:16:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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It is of no use trying to enlighten the Catholic cultists. Like Jehovah Witnesses, The Church of Scientology, Islam, Mormons, and many Amish sects you are forbidden to speak ill of your religion or you are not allowed to leave the faith or you are taught from books other than the bible. They have the bible. I think it is mostly used as a paperweight or just to have around so they can say “Oh, yes we believe in the bible”.

Most if not all of them worship a man (or a woman) or a group of “holy” men instead of Jesus. These “holy men” teach from their “holy” scriptures instead of the word of God. Don't worry about reading the bible yourself, WE will TELL you what it means. Here, read our other books.

Mathew 7:13-14 NIV
The Narrow and Wide Gates

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Mathew 7:13-14 KJV
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The Narrow Gate
Mathew 7:13-14 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy,[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Most Catholics and most people for that matter, are entering through the wide gate. They think they are on the right way, but are headed for destruction.

But those who find the narrow gate are “few”. That isn't very many. This is stated as a FACT. It HAPPENS! Described as a percentage, what is a “few”? 50%?, no that's half. 25%?. No that's still a quarter. 10%? Well, maybe but I think more like 5% or less.

I would say if you follow any of the above mentioned “religions”, your chances are nil.

Yet, you refuse to listen to reason. You refuse to read God's word for yourself. You worship men, idols, statues, gold, buildings, property, etc.

You are on the broad way, hell bent for destruction. We can hope and pray that a “few” of you will see the light and turn from your wicked ways and be saved, but “many” of you will not.

69 posted on 04/13/2013 9:09:50 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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Catholic Scripture Study Bible - RSV Large Print Edition


"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther



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107 posted on 04/14/2013 3:45:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Does this mean that Catholics are going to start reading the Bible? Because if SO- then I like this pope.


128 posted on 04/14/2013 4:55:34 PM PDT by Truth2012
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“It is only with the assistance of the Holy Spirit and with full respect for the tradition and teaching of the church that the Scriptures’ true meaning can be understood.”

People who deny this have never enjoyed the assistance of the Holy Spirit.

My regrets to those who fancy themselves capable of understanding scripture correctly all by themselves, but YOPIO just doesn’t get it.


142 posted on 04/15/2013 12:10:39 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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Another challenge, he said, is posed by "the violence in some passages" that seems to contradict basic Christian teaching and even phrases the Bible attributes directly to Jesus.

Which solution by some RC scholars by relegating the stories of the conquest of Canaan to being folk tales.

This is another of the daily incessant posts on the pope and inordinately promoting a church. Perhaps next it will be what he had for breakfast. But since you want to exalt a church, do not complain when it, and in its current form, is again negatively exposed.

In this case, while you may want to promote Roman Bible scholarship, the fact is that (besides the usual doctrinal aberrations) it has taught millions errors via the notes in official* RC Bible for America, the New American Bible (NAB) including its latest revision, which impugns the integrity of the Word of God by its adherence to the discredited JEDP theory, and by relegating numerous historical accounts in the Bible to being fables or folk tales, among other denials, along with other problems and gender inclusive language. Certain Catholics themselves have complained about its liberalism, such as seen in this comprehensive criticism by a Catholic apologist here.

The NAB footnotes assert alleged contradictions in Scripture, and Catholics are divided on whether the Vatican Two statement in Dei Verbum (which was seen as a response to a behind-the-scenes debate at Vatican II about inerrancy), that the Bible “teaches without error that truth which God wanted put into the sacred writings for the sake of our salvation," supports the position that the Bible is only immune from error within a certain limited area, versus what Pope Leo XIII, in Providentissimus Deus and Pope Benedict XV Spiritus Paraclitus state. However, the real authority for Catholics is their self-proclaimed infallible magisterium, although there is disagreement as to how many infallible statements there are, and the full meaning of these as well as multiple other non-infallible teachings canm be subject to some interpretation.

The USCCB (American bishops) owns the copyright for the NAB and the revised version (RNAB). However, their Bible text had to be amended for the lectionary because the Vatican rejected it for Mass, while no one in authority seems inclined to incorporate all these same emendations back into the NAB.

I myself first became aware of the basic liberal bent in the NAB when reading the notes in the NAB, St. Joseph’s medium size, Catholic publishing co., copyright 1970, which has the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur stamps of sanction. (I have found the same O. T. footnotes in “The Catholic Study Bible,” Oxford University Press, 1990, which also has the proper stamps, and uses the 1970 O.T. text and the 1986 revised N.T.) The U.S. bishops state that “any translation of the Sacred Scriptures that has received proper ecclesiastical approval ‒ namely, by the Apostolic See or a local ordinary prior to 1983, or by the Apostolic See or an episcopal conference following 1983 ‒ may be used by the Catholic faithful for private prayer and study.” After 1983 only the Apostolic See and the episcopal conferences have authority to approve Bible translations. (http://www.usccb.org/bible/approved-translations/index.cfm)

The approved study aids therein teaches that, "The Bible is God’s word and man’s word. One must understand man’s word first in order to understand the word of God." ("A Library of Books," p. 19) and warns,

You may hear interpreters of the Bible who are literalists or fundamentalists. They explain the Bible according to the letter: Eve really ate from the apple and Jonah was miraculously kept alive in the belly of the whale. Then there are ultra-liberal scholars who qualify the whole Bible as another book of fairly tales. Catholic Bible scholars follow the sound middle of the road.” (15. “How do you know”)

However, they are clearly driving on the left.

It “explains”, under “Literary Genres” (p. 19) that Genesis 2 (Adam and Eve and creation details) and Gn. 3 (the story of the Fall), Gn. 4:1-16 (Cain and Abel), Gn. 6-8 (Noah and the Flood), and Gn. 11:1-9 (Tower of Babel: the footnotes on which state, in part, “an imaginative origin of the diversity of the languages among the various peoples inhabiting the earth”) are “folktales,” using allegory to teach a religious lesson.

It next states that the story of Balaam and the donkey and the angel (Num. 22:1-21; 22:36-38) was a fable, while the records of Gn. (chapters) 37-50 (Joseph), 12-36 (Abraham, Issaac, Jacob), Exodus, Judges 13-16 (Samson) 1Sam. 17 (David and Goliath) and that of the Exodus are stories which are "historical at their core," but overall the author simply used mere "traditions" to teach a religious lesson. After all, its understanding that “Inspiration is guidance” means that Scripture is “God’s word and man’s word.” What this means is that the NAB rejects such things as that the Bible's attribution of Divine sanction to wars of conquest, “cannot be qualified as revelation from God,” and states,

Think of the ‘holy wars’ of total destruction, fought by the Hebrews when they invaded Palestine. The search for meaning in those wars centuries later was inspired, but the conclusions which attributed all those atrocities to the command of God were imperfect and provisional." (4. "Inspiration and Revelation," p. 18)

It also holds that such things as “cloud, angels (blasting trumpets), smoke, fire, earthquakes,lighting, thunder, war, calamities, lies and persecution are Biblical figures of speech.” (8. “The Bible on God.”)

The Preface to Genesis in my St. Joseph's 1970 NAB edition attributes it to many authors, rather than Moses as indicated in Dt. 31:24, and the footnote to Gn. 1:5 refers to the days of creation as a “highly artificial literal structure.”

The current NAB footnote (http://www.usccb.org/bible/gn/1:26) to Gn. 1:26 states that “sometimes in the Bible, God was imagined as presiding over an assembly of heavenly beings who deliberated and decided about matters on earth,” thus negating this as literal, and God as referring to Himself in the plural (“Us” or “Our”) which He does 6 times in the OT. Likewise, the current footnote regarding the Red Sea (Ex. 10:19) informs readers regarding what the Israelites crossed over that it is literally the Reed Sea, which was probably a body of shallow water somewhat to the north of the present deep Red Sea.” Thus rendered, the miracle would have been Pharaoh’s army drowning in shallow waters!

It likewise explains as regards to the sons of heaven [God] having relations with the daughters of men, as “apparently alluding to an old legend.” and explains away the flood as a story that “ultimately draws upon an ancient Mesopotamian tradition of a great flood.” Its teaching also imagines the story as being a composite account with discrepancies. The 1970 footnote on Gen. 6:1-4 states, “This is apparently a fragment of an old legend that had borrowed much from ancient mythology.” It goes on to explain the “sons of heaven” are “the celestial beings of mythology.”

In addition, even the ages of the patriarchs after the flood are deemed to be “artificial and devoid of historical value.” (Genesis 11:10-26) The current footnotes also treats this as a non-literal story.

All of which impugns the overall literal nature the O.T. historical accounts, and as Scripture interprets Scripture, we see that the Holy Spirit refers to such stories as being literal historical events (Adam and Eve: Mt. 19:4; Abraham, Issac, Exodus and Moses: Acts 7; Rm. 4; Heb. 11; Jonah and the fish: Mt. 12:39-41; Balaam and the donkey: 2Pt. 2:15; Jude. 1:1; Rev. 2:14). Indeed “the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety” (2Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:9), and if Jonah did not spend 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale then neither did the Lord, while Israel's history is always and inclusively treated as literal.

Regarding the Gospels, the teaching of my 1970 NAB speculates that some of the miracle stories of Jesus in the New Testament (the fulfillment of of the Hebrew Bible) may be “adaptations” of similar ones in the Old Testament, and that the Lord may not have actually been involved in the debates the gospel writers record He was in, and thinks that most of which Jesus is recorded as saying was probably “theological elaboration” by the writers.

Going beyond the Holy Spirit condensing or expanding the words of Christ, as seen by duplicate accounts, it states under "Reading the Gospels,

The Church was so firmly convinced that the risen Lord who is Jesus of history lived in her, and taught through her, that she expressed her teaching in the form of Jesus’ sayings. The words are not Jesus but from the Church.” “Can we discover at least some words of Jesus that have escaped such elaboration? Bible scholars point to the very short sayings of Jesus, as for example those put together by Matthew in chapter 5, 1-12”

It does allow that the slaughter of the innocents by King Herod, was “extremely probable,” and that people leaving Bethlehem to escape the massacre, is equally probable, but outside the historical background to this tradition, “the rest is interpretation.” This means is taught as justified due to the authors intent.

It additionally conveys such things as that Matthew placed Jesus in Egypt to convince his readers that Jesus was the real Israel, and may have only represented Jesus giving the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, to show that Jesus wa the s like Moses who received the law on Mount Sinai. (St. Joseph edition, 1970; How to read your Bible, "The Gospels," 13e, f, g. and i)

The “Conditioned thought patterns” (7) hermeneutic also paves the way for the specious argumentation of feminists who seek to negate the headship of the man as being due to condescension to culture, a very dangerous hermeneutic, and unwarranted when dealing with such texts as 1Cor. 11:3.

In addition, the current edition will not use render “porneia” as “sexual immorality” or anything sexual in places such as 1Cor. 5:1; 6:13; 7:2; 10:8; 2Cor. 12:21; Eph. 5:3; Gal. 5:19; Col. 3:5; 1Thes. 4:3; but simply has “immorality,” even though in most cases it is in a sexual context.

It is a slippery slope when historical statements are made out to be literary devices, and Muslims have taken advantage of the NAB's liberal hermeneutic to impugn the veracity of the Bible, http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Shabir-Ally/nab.htm.

The NAB has gone through revision, but a Roman Catholic apologist lists some of the above errors from the 1992 version, and is likewise critical of the liberal scholarship behind it (though he elsewhere denigrated Israel as illegally occupying Palestine), while the online NAB also reflects liberal “scholarship.” A Roman Catholic cardinal is also critical of the NAB on additional grounds.

One of the changes i have noted between the 1970 NAB and the online version of today, is that the former has “justice” (which perhaps the social gospel Catholics preferred) over “righteousness' in such places as Rom 4:5,6, and that David “celebrates” the man..., while the online NAB has “But when one does not work, yet believes in the one who justifies the unGodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. So also David declares the blessedness of the person to whom God credits righteousness apart from works”.

On the other hand there are Catholics who only sanction the Douay-Rheims Bible, yet one Roman Catholic apologist criticizes it as well. (http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=4300&CFID=45541857&CFTOKEN=30609021)

*There is only one English text currently approved by the Church for use in the United States. This text is the one contained in the Lectionaries approved for Sundays & Feasts and for Weekdays by the USCCB and recognized by the Holy See. These Lectionaries have their American and Roman approval documents in the front. The text is that of the New American Bible with revised Psalms and New Testament (1988, 1991), with some changes mandated by the Holy See where the NAB text used so-called vertical inclusive language (e.g. avoiding male pronouns for God). Since these Lectionaries have been fully promulgated, the permission to use the Jerusalem Bible and the RSV-Catholic at Mass has been withdrawn.” http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/bible_versions.htm TOC

246 posted on 04/16/2013 6:49:45 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To understand Bible, one must understand its nature, pope says

The bible helped me understand MY nature!

A sinful man - in need of GOD's grace.

254 posted on 04/16/2013 9:21:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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