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Viking Map May Rewrite US History
ABC/AFP ^ | 11-26-2004 | AFP

Posted on 11/26/2004 12:01:26 PM PST by blam

Viking map may rewrite US history

Agençe France-Presse
Friday, 26 November 2004

Experts are testing the map to see if it is really evidence for Vikings landing in the New World first, not Columbus (Image: Climate Monitoring & Diagnostics Lab) Danish experts will travel to the U.S. to study evidence that the Vikings landed in the New World five centuries before Columbus.

A controversial parchment said to be the oldest map of America could, if authentic, support the theory that the Vikings arrived first.

The map is said to date from 1434 and was found in 1957. Some people believe it is evidence that Vikings, who departed from Greenland around the year 1000, were the first to land in the Americas.

The document is of Vinland, the part of North America believed to be what is today the Canadian province of Newfoundland, and was supposedly discovered by the Viking Leif Eriksen, the son of Erik the Red.

Three researchers from the Danish Royal Library and School of Conservation hope that modern techniques developed in Denmark will be able to "shed more light on this document whose authenticity is questioned worldwide", said Rene Larsen, head of the School of Conservation in Copenhagen and the leader of the project.

The trio will on Monday begin their work on the map, which is kept at Yale University's Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library in Connecticut.

The three have been "authorised to, for two to three days, photograph, analyse with microscope and undertake various studies of the document and its ink, but not alter it", Larsen said.

He said the results of the study would be presented early next year.

The Vinland map, possibly the first map showing the New World, at Yale University's Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library (Image: Brookhaven National Lab/Yale University Press)

"We hope that the new techniques that we have developed in Denmark ... will help to better [date] the document and ink with which the map was drawn in order to lift the veil on its authenticity or counterfeit," he said.

The map was considered a sensation when it was found. Experts largely agree that the parchment dates from the 1400s, but by the 1970s some experts had begun arguing that the ink used contained materials that were only developed in the 20th century.

U.K. chemist Professor Robin Clark, from University College London, has meanwhile said he believed the document was a fake.

He based his conclusion on the work of another researcher, Dr Walter McCrone, who in the 1970s found that the ink contained a derivative of titanium dioxide, which did not exist until the 1920s, according to the journal Analytical Chemistry.


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KEYWORDS: archaeology; discovery; epigraphyandlanguage; erikthered; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; greenland; history; imalumberjack; leiferiksen; map; newfoundland; newworld; rewrite; us; viking; vikings
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1 posted on 11/26/2004 12:01:26 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 11/26/2004 12:02:26 PM PST by blam
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To: ncdave4life; Prospero
What is new about this? I have been reading theories about this maps "existence" since I first could read history books. What a discovery Just another French attempt to change history.
3 posted on 11/26/2004 12:05:21 PM PST by RepublicanReptile (Open your mind, close the borders.)
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To: blam

I thought we have had evidence of Viking settlements in Labrador for many years. Does the map really change things. Yes, they were here before Columbus. Whut...??


4 posted on 11/26/2004 12:05:36 PM PST by Right Wing Puppy (Bush is stronger than you think.)
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To: blam; SandyInSeattle; MeekOneGOP; Petronski; PetroniDE; martin_fierro; Slings and Arrows; ...

Just how does this affect the Viking Kitties, I wonder?


5 posted on 11/26/2004 12:06:48 PM PST by dansangel (Thank you Veterans past and present!)
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To: blam
Details

6 posted on 11/26/2004 12:07:36 PM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: blam; Darksheare; meowmeow; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; ...
Hey Kitties!

More from our ancestors

Click the pic!

7 posted on 11/26/2004 12:08:10 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: blam
Anyone who would doubt the authenticity of this obviously hasn't visited Alexandria, MN. ; )
8 posted on 11/26/2004 12:09:02 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: evets

But I'm wondering how this is going to affect our U.S. Constitution, our Founding Fathers, and our American way of life?

:) I just don't see it. :)


9 posted on 11/26/2004 12:09:22 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a conservative)
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To: writer33

Well we will rename "America" to "Columbus", since this makes Americo Vaspuchi's claim less likely.


10 posted on 11/26/2004 12:14:59 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: writer33

But I'm wondering how this is going to affect our U.S. Constitution, our Founding Fathers, and our American way of life?

What? How does Clovis culture fit into all this?


11 posted on 11/26/2004 12:19:45 PM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: blam

Every few years this map makes it's rounds in the media. I thought the last time it was thouroughly debunked as a fake, but I don't remember details. Does anyone remember?


12 posted on 11/26/2004 12:23:17 PM PST by Oblongata
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To: blam

I think it's pretty clear that the Vikings were in America long before Columbus. The L'Anse Aux Meadows site, the viking coins recovered on cape cod, and the increasingly apparent accuracy of the Icelandic sagas all point to this as fact instead of legend.


13 posted on 11/26/2004 12:24:00 PM PST by SoDak (Home of Senator John Thune)
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To: EGPWS

Ja, it was all made clear on the Kensington Rune Stone.


14 posted on 11/26/2004 12:25:48 PM PST by SoDak (Home of Senator John Thune)
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To: w1andsodidwe

The U.S.E. The United States of Eriksen.


15 posted on 11/26/2004 12:26:00 PM PST by Jagdgewehr (Californian - Living in a red state of mind.)
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To: blam

No big suprise. The Vikings were explorers.

Personally I suspect that this continent and south America were receiving visitors and transplants from both the east and west for a long time. After all the pacific islanders managed to populate the pacific all by themselves. Getting to Hawaii and Easter island are a far cry from a little island hop.


16 posted on 11/26/2004 12:28:01 PM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
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To: blam

I wonder when the a priori view of history will be corrected. There are many clues and evidences that the history we were taught left out much and speculated at much.

Contemplate the Piri Reis map too!

http://www.prep.mcneese.edu/engr/engr321/preis/piri_r~1.htm


17 posted on 11/26/2004 12:29:16 PM PST by GoforBroke
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To: SoDak

> I think it's pretty clear that the Vikings were
> in America long before Columbus.

Some race of rock-movers surely was:
http://gonewengland.about.com/cs/nhsightseeing/a/aastonehengenh.htm


19 posted on 11/26/2004 12:30:30 PM PST by Boundless
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To: SoDak
Ja, it was all made clear on the Kensington Rune Stone.

Yes, back during my tenure in Alexandria in the '70, I passed it on my way to the municipal on/off sale store!

20 posted on 11/26/2004 12:31:26 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: w1andsodidwe
Well we will rename "America" to "Columbus", since this makes Americo Vaspuchi's claim less likely.

Or rename it LeifLand? The United States of Leifland? Leiflanders? Leifland the Beautiful?

This is really going to play havoc with our national songs.

21 posted on 11/26/2004 12:32:26 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation.)
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To: Oblongata

Someone showed that titanium occurs naturally, thus debunking the debunkers.


22 posted on 11/26/2004 12:33:47 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: blam
I keep telling people that I was here first - and there's the land plat to prove it. Now, go on, get outta my yard.....LOL :-)


23 posted on 11/26/2004 12:33:51 PM PST by Viking2002 (Taglines? Vikings don't need no steenkin' taglines..............)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

If the Viking visitors to America had had the luck of Cortez, and landed among friendly tribes....

Horses and iron making in AD 1100. Just imagine.


24 posted on 11/26/2004 12:35:09 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Boundless

America was discovered by humans long before Columbus. Whether the vikings discovered it again before Columbus, there's little doubt that the Columbus discovery was the most significant because it led to colonization.


25 posted on 11/26/2004 12:35:23 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: EGPWS
Alexandria is a wonderful place. My grandparents bought a summer cottage on one of the smaller lakes there several years ago and our family has been enjoying the summers there ever since. I have seen the runestone on several occasions and personally believe in its authenticity.

But don't ask me. Ask Big Ole!

26 posted on 11/26/2004 12:36:14 PM PST by SaveTheChief ("It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech." - Senator Zell Miller)
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To: blam

At risk of sounding politically correct...I'm not sure of the significance of Vikings landing here "first" since Native Americans were already here. The significance of Columbus was not that he was here first -- he wasn't -- but rather that he brought news of the area back to Europe, sparking an historical period of settlement and colonization. And that's pretty darn significant. So if the Vikings didn't do that, AND they weren't here before the Natives, then who cares?


27 posted on 11/26/2004 12:36:47 PM PST by BackInBlack
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To: GoforBroke

Lots of history needs to be corrected because it has been corrupted.

Today we are still deliberately having history corrupted as we go along.

The days are coming when testing will prove lots of what other self intereseted groups declared as bogus to be the real thing.

In the interest of truth I wish these reasearchers well.


28 posted on 11/26/2004 12:38:47 PM PST by Spirited
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To: SaveTheChief
Cool pic my friend!

Yes, Alexandria IS a great place, however I haven't been there in more than 15 years and I am a mere 130 miles away!

29 posted on 11/26/2004 12:39:10 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
I miss it terribly. Back during my last visit in 1999 I repeatedly told myself that if I weren't married, I would move there in an instant. Nearly five years after a divorce, and I haven't so much have visited since. People there are very nice, and it is a great place "to get away from it all".

Perhaps I could get a job renting ice fishing cabins...

30 posted on 11/26/2004 12:43:56 PM PST by SaveTheChief ("It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech." - Senator Zell Miller)
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To: blam
believed the document was a fake

Let's get buckhead on this...
31 posted on 11/26/2004 12:45:17 PM PST by BJClinton (Honk if you love peace and quiet.)
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To: EGPWS

I've seen it several times. I don't know if it has any link to authenticity. As a good Norsky Lutheran, I'd be more inclined to believe it was if they found coffee cups, a lefse iron and a bag of stale fish in lye in the same spot.


32 posted on 11/26/2004 12:45:58 PM PST by SoDak (Home of Senator John Thune)
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To: blam

Columbus was not the first to discover America, but he was the last.


33 posted on 11/26/2004 12:48:18 PM PST by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: SoDak

JASÅ!


34 posted on 11/26/2004 12:55:11 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: BackInBlack

Well said.


35 posted on 11/26/2004 12:58:53 PM PST by Let's Roll (For a guy who shirked his own job, Kerry sure was eager to tell others how to do theirs ...)
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To: SaveTheChief

Big Ole ping


36 posted on 11/26/2004 12:59:41 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: blam

Did they get this map from Bill Burkett, Mary Mapes, or Dan Rather? /sarc


37 posted on 11/26/2004 1:01:50 PM PST by GaltMeister (The only time a Democrat should be allowed in the White House is to visit the President.)
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To: Right Wing Puppy

Since 1964. A village with a Viking long house, iron smithy and other stuff Native Americans would not have had.


38 posted on 11/26/2004 1:03:13 PM PST by BJClinton (Honk if you love peace and quiet.)
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To: SoDak

Norsky Lutheran, lefse...
If you start with the "They used ta call it yam, and now they call it yelly" I'd swear we are related.
(Any kin in North Dakota?)


39 posted on 11/26/2004 1:05:08 PM PST by TexasTransplant (When you are over the hill, you pick up speed)
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To: lancer

Vitus Bering in the employ of the Tsar discovered Alaska which nobody suspected existed except Hudsons Bay fur traders, who didn't know where in H they were, and the Alaska Natives, who also didn't know where the H they were.


40 posted on 11/26/2004 1:07:27 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: SoDak; BackInBlack

You bet, and if it weren't for our ancestors poor America would have been deprived of lutefisk.

Not only that but I am one hundred percent Native American, born in Minnesota of Norwegians all. And the Vikings were here before me.


41 posted on 11/26/2004 1:10:38 PM PST by 8mmMauser
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To: dansangel

The affect?
Don't anger the Viking Kitty!

42 posted on 11/26/2004 1:11:00 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah, the 4 horseman would have been here earlier :)


43 posted on 11/26/2004 1:11:56 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah, the 4 horseman would have been here earlier :)


44 posted on 11/26/2004 1:11:59 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: R. Scott

LOL! She's such a *cutie*

(Kitty, not the troll)


45 posted on 11/26/2004 1:12:52 PM PST by dansangel (Thank you Veterans past and present!)
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To: Oblongata

It was covered a few nights ago on either the History or Discovery Channel. The ink proved to be out of date for the time as well as artificially aged. There were also several cartographic and linguistic errors.


46 posted on 11/26/2004 1:14:03 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: dansangel

Beware the cute kitty with an attitude!


47 posted on 11/26/2004 1:17:26 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Lefse BUMP


48 posted on 11/26/2004 1:17:42 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (You can drive from coast to coast and never pass through a single county won by Kerry.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

I didn't do it!


49 posted on 11/26/2004 1:18:02 PM PST by Darksheare (Love, stay thy hand)
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To: oldbrowser

Everyone knows you go to Fresno for culture if you live in Clovis!


50 posted on 11/26/2004 1:20:00 PM PST by verifythentrust
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