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Danish Archaeologists In Search Of Vikings In Iran
Payvand ^ | 1-20-2005

Posted on 01/23/2005 3:35:39 PM PST by blam

1/20/05

Danish Archaeologists in Search of Vikings in Iran

Tehran, Jan. 20 (Iranian Cultural Heritage News Agency) – Researchers from the Copenhagen Museum in Denmark have traveled to the coasts of the Caspian Sea, northern Iran, in search of clues of relationships between Iranians and Vikings.

A few years ago, a researcher from the Copenhagen Museum, Nadia Haupt, discovered more than one thousand coins and relics that did not belong to the Danish or other Scandinavian cultures, and therefore set to find out more about the historical roots of the Danish civilization.

The ancient items that took the attention of experts included more than one hundred thousand coins that are not part of the Danish history, Viking shipwrecks that Haupt believes their style of construction and the kind of trade they used to undertake differentiate them from those of their ancestors, clothes and accessories used today in some Scandinavian cities and villages, and red and blue colors included in the clothes of the residents under study.

The findings prompted archeologists and anthropology enthusiasts to find out more about their ancestral roots, and where these items have originally come from. The first hypothesis that these items originated from southwestern Europe such as Spain was overruled with more studies.

The next hypothesis focused on the northeastern countries in Europe, or more specifically Russia. Relics found in the excavations of the area have confirmed the existence of trade relationships between Denmark and Russia, but Haupt intends to get to the main roots.

She has followed her leads in Russia and has now come to the Iranian side of the Caspian Sea, hoping to prove that Eastern cultures had influenced the Scandinavian countries, such as Denmark.

Director of the research center of the Cultural Heritage Department, Mazandaran province, Ali Mahforouzi, told CHN that Haupt’s field work will continue for 2 weeks, after which she would go back to Denmark to hopefully announce the results of her studies in 3 months.

Mahforouzi believes that further excavations in European countries may show that old Asian civilizations, especially Iran, have had a more important role in the booming of the European cultures.

If her hypothesis is proved, Mahforouzi said, a great project concerning the relations between the Iranian and residents of the coastal areas of the Adriatic Sea will be triggered. According to him, such discoveries can help attract many scholar-tourists to Iran.

The Cultural Heritage & Tourism Department in the northern province of Mazandaran has some plans to prepare the residents in this region for hosting foreign tourists and has started some archeology classes and exhibitions of their heritage.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeologists; archaeology; danish; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; iran; search; vikings

1 posted on 01/23/2005 3:35:39 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/23/2005 3:36:11 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Well, this explains a lot...


3 posted on 01/23/2005 3:49:06 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: blam
I was going to ping you after reading the headline, but then saw you posted it. BWAHAHAHA!

FMCDH(BITS)

4 posted on 01/23/2005 3:49:11 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: blam

IIRC The Persians are Caucasians who have somehow been overtaken by the Jihadists. It would not be a surprise at all if the Vikings had been there though.


5 posted on 01/23/2005 4:14:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: bill1952

surely..........were they there before or after they lost their playoff game.............lol


6 posted on 01/23/2005 4:16:18 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
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7 posted on 01/23/2005 4:19:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: wagglebee
The Persians, amazingly, are the very same ethnic group as their Arabic speaking neighbors in Mesopotamia.

The Indo-European component of the core Persian population is very, very small.

The question now is when were these people conquered by a small group of Indo-Europeans who then imposed their language on the hapless captive population.

Arabs and Persians are considered "Caucasion".

8 posted on 01/23/2005 4:44:10 PM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: blam

Cool :-)


9 posted on 01/23/2005 5:08:13 PM PST by Fedora
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To: blam
The Vikings had major trading bases on the Black Sea (they held the Crimean peninsula) and traded all over the Black Sea and Eastern Mediteranean. The 'Varangean Guard' of the Holy Roman Emperor was Viking.

There are extant Arabic documents describing embasies to trade with them from Damascus.

SO9

10 posted on 01/23/2005 7:40:06 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: blam
The city of Kiev was founded by Vikings.

I'm not sure what the connection with the Adriatic Sea is. There is a theory that the name of the Croats (Hrvati) is connected to an ancient Iranian tribe with a similar name. The Iranians in question may have conquered a Slavic tribe (the modern Croats speak a Slavic language) and later lost their own language...something similar happened to the Bulgars (the modern Bulgarians speak a Slavic language but the members of the original Bulgar ruling class were not Slavs).

11 posted on 01/23/2005 8:37:16 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: muawiyah

Haitian Creole is a Romance language, but the average Haitian probably doesn't have much Roman DNA.


12 posted on 01/23/2005 8:38:39 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: blam

The longboat is a terrifying sight.

13 posted on 01/23/2005 8:40:51 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Servant of the 9

Yes, there are. Long ago, I read a historical novel that was based on those scraps, but I have never been able to find any hard info on them at all.


14 posted on 01/24/2005 2:09:14 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
Long ago, I read a historical novel that was based on those scraps, but I have never been able to find any hard info on them at all.

That was probably 'Eaters of the Dead' by Michael Crighton.
It was made into a fairly good movie starting Antonio Banderas a few years ago.
I would give you some citations on the historical events, but it's too cold to root around in book boxes in the attic.

So9

15 posted on 01/24/2005 4:51:45 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: muawiyah

'Arabs and Persians are considered "Caucasion"'

Well, Arabs are considered Semitic. Their language is not in the Indo-European family.


16 posted on 01/24/2005 5:54:10 AM PST by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: Renfield
The Indo-European and Semitic languages are closely related.

Many Caucasions, Hungarians, Finns, Estonians and others speak Uralic-Altaic languages. The heavy hitters in that group are Turkish and Korean.

Caucasion relates to the presumed geographical "origins" of white folk. Indo-European deals with a family of languages which may or may not share Caucasion "origins".

17 posted on 01/24/2005 7:08:05 AM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: muawiyah

It's a stretch to put Korean into the Uralic-Altaic family. Finnish and Turkish, for example, are agglutinative, while Korean is not.


18 posted on 01/24/2005 9:35:08 AM PST by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: Renfield

Still, Korean owes more of it's foundation to it's Uralic-Altaic roots than to other influences. Then there's Japanese. It has some elements, but not enough to fully reclassify it.


19 posted on 01/24/2005 4:49:43 PM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: blam

Ah, but who could forget the master epic "Vikings and Beekeepers"

SCTV reference.


20 posted on 01/24/2005 4:53:39 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: muawiyah

I wouldn't agree that Indo-European and Semitic are "closely related." Heck, within the Indo-European family there are languages which are only remotely related...and the "Afro-Asiatic" family which includes the Semitic and Hamitic languages has members which are only distantly related to each other. There are some linguists who claim to have found evidence of a relationship between the Indo-European and Semitic families, but I don't think their views have won wide acceptance--the evidence is just too meager because the relationship (if it exists) is so far back in time.


21 posted on 01/24/2005 7:22:03 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Central Scrutiniser

I remember well the master epic "The Vikings" starring Kirk Douglas. Played on TV in the 60's and was my main introduction to all things Viking.


22 posted on 01/24/2005 7:26:50 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Just went through the most frequently accessed "language family" sites on the net and now see what you are referring to.

My touch-stone is whether or not a site has the relationships between and among Sa'ami, Sumerian, Dravidian languages, and one American Indian language straight, or does it rely on an older technique of analysis.

If the site fails to note that vast body of research (which concerns the origin of writing, and includes the petroglyphs in Finland) that means it's incomplete.

At one point there was much made of the "agglutinative" structure, so philogists simply dumped all the agglutinative languages in the same bag. At the same time they prohibited any claim of a relationship between an agglutinative and a non-agglutinative language.

The most popular sites tossed up by Google still follow the older standards.

So, what we have are two people talking about the same thing but using different bodies of research.

23 posted on 01/25/2005 4:11:09 AM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: Verginius Rufus

None of which means I cannot make spelling errors. Philogist = Philologist.


24 posted on 01/25/2005 4:12:55 AM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: muawiyah
Maybe you coined a new word. A philogist is someone is someone who is happy just getting the gist of something--just reading the headlines, or reading a 50-word abstract rather than the entire article.

I believe "Nostratic" is the name given to the supposed super-language family that some researchers claim to have reconstructed, going back thousands of years earlier than the stage of Proto-Indo-European or Proto-Afro-Asiatic.

25 posted on 01/25/2005 6:46:51 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

http://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm provides some interesting reading. Everything here is from the viewpoint of a Sumerian language scholar looking "out", and not just that of a scholar of languages looking "in".


26 posted on 01/25/2005 7:10:35 AM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: muawiyah

I don't know what John Halloran's background is or much about the Sumerian language, other than that it is completely unrelated to the languages which were its immediate neighbors in ancient Mesopotamia, Akkadian and Elamite. Akkadian was a Semitic language. As far as I know they have never found any language which is related to Sumerian...obviously there could have been some which died out before they were ever reduced to writing.


27 posted on 01/25/2005 7:28:50 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: GreenFreeper
The Vikings keyword will show just a few topics about the groovy teeth, I guess it's about four? Anyway, here's something else perhaps of interest, if you like Vikings. :')

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28 posted on 01/24/2006 10:08:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: blam

US Special Forces In Search Of Vikings In Iran...


29 posted on 01/24/2006 10:10:19 PM PST by traumer
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30 posted on 07/09/2012 4:24:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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