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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.


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To: MEG33


BUMP!


501 posted on 05/17/2006 9:56:12 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Rokke
What? The hell you say! There's more going on than immigration?

Sarc
502 posted on 05/17/2006 9:56:29 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I've been here 5 years too -- as of last Sunday. So what?


503 posted on 05/17/2006 9:56:40 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Some Dare Call It Amnesty)
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To: Pukin Dog; Southack
Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office.

While the cat's away, the mice will play. Your list of Bush's accomplishments assume a condition referred to in accounting/finance as a 'going concern'. Unfortunately, there are fundamental issues at play that raise significant questions as to the viability of that assumption.

Notice how the debate has shifted from expulsion to legalization? That's today - 2006. Now think how far the left the line will move in just another generation. In business, as in flight, there is a point of no return referred to as a 'death spiral'. The accounting/finance guys always see it first, while other employees hang-on to empty promises made by executive management.

You yourself saw this happen at USAir. At some point, an irreversible tipping point is reached, with takeover/bankruptcy as the only solution. Given unstoppable demographic trends, a socialist/center-left coalition is in store for the US, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

So from that perspective, I agree with the essence of your post, which is to support the GOP; after all, there isn't really an alternative. The key is to live for today, figure out a way to make the most out of the situation (ie gain financially), and keep your eyes open as events accelerate that threaten your personal/financial security.

504 posted on 05/17/2006 9:56:56 AM PDT by lemura
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To: TexasRepublic
disagree vehemently with his inadequate border policy.

Me too.

However, I remind myself at times, that there is NO WAY that I am aware of all the issues and potential mitigating circumstances that might effect the President's decision making. I cant possibly know more than he does about ALL the issue effecting America, so even though I disagree with him, I support him all the same.

505 posted on 05/17/2006 9:57:04 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Vicomte13
FWIW, I've thought you've been very reasonable on the illegals flap. Your own preferred policy is pretty moderate. You discuss at length how the GOP can slam-dunk the fall elections with this issue and offer good advice on why ignoring conservatives is a very risky idea.

You've made many interesting contributions to the forum, not only recently but also giving us some good perspective from the viewpoint of European conservatives, just as MadIvan has done so often. Certainly I haven't always agreed with your take on France and its opposition to our policies and its internal problems but I have learned from your thoughtful posts.

What's needed on this forum is more diversity of conservative opinion, whether we always agree with it or not. Some people seem to think that Bush is like Stalin and we'll all be sent to the gulag if we don't agree with every word he speaks. Well, to me at least, that's unhealthy and un-American. And much of the present strength of conservatives is because we have been the party of ideas. Look at the kind of debate you see over at National Review. That's no police-state propaganda mill, plenty of diversity there and doing quite well.
506 posted on 05/17/2006 9:57:14 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Lead Moderator

I shouldn't have to "Get over it". You're supposed to be impartial. How can you moderate a board fairly when you have clearly supported one side over the other?


507 posted on 05/17/2006 9:57:38 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: LucyT


You're welcome, Lucy.


508 posted on 05/17/2006 9:57:42 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Constitution Day
I've been here 5 years too -- as of last Sunday. So what?

Right.

509 posted on 05/17/2006 9:57:48 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Texaggie79

Thank you.


510 posted on 05/17/2006 9:57:52 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Some Dare Call It Amnesty)
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To: NinoFan
Thank you.
511 posted on 05/17/2006 9:57:55 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Just another Joe
Whether one is a Republican or a Democrat, if they are conservative, that is enough for me.

That is not true as the democrats all hang together on issues (how I don't have a clue - but they do). And, the policies of that party are socialistic/communistic and do not seek to preserve the United States.

You may not be republican but at least look at what the parties stand for. We are in very dangerous times.

512 posted on 05/17/2006 9:58:02 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Is the primary goal of our Congress to protect America's borders?)
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To: rcocean
As for the 18 Senate Republican Tratiors, I have their names and will contribute money to defeat them.

Make that 17. Shelby is a good, conservative Republican. Maybe he just punched the wrong button or something. For the life of me, I can't figure out why he voted against that amendment yesterday.

513 posted on 05/17/2006 9:58:37 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: FOG724

Meanwhile, the chastened Republican Party, which will have lost more than a few border moderates, will repackage itself and add a wall at the Southern Border as a core platform point. The Republican nominee in 2008 will probably support that point, and if he does the BorderBots will come roaring back to the polls and the Republicans roar back to the majority.

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False assumption --- that everyone participating in that poll is part of the "Base".


514 posted on 05/17/2006 9:58:39 AM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I certainly didn't feel the need to post a vanity on my anniversary here, either.

Good day,
CD


515 posted on 05/17/2006 9:58:43 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Some Dare Call It Amnesty)
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To: subterfuge; All
Fact is, there are subversive trolls on the board, deliberately stirring things up.

Some of you folks sound like all the liberals the day after Bush defeated Kerry. Since everybody they knew voted for Kerry, they didn't even consider that maybe Bush actually got more votes. For them, the only logical conclusion was that the voting machines had been rigged.

Look, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean that there is a conspiracy with "infiltrators", "disruptors", and (my personal favorite) "sleepers". All it means is that some people disagree with you, and maybe----just maybe----MOST people disagree with you.

516 posted on 05/17/2006 9:58:48 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: NinoFan; ohioWfan

And by the way, you seem to be a hypocrite in this regard. You are the King of false accusations and calling people names.



I understand your frustration, but ohioWfan is in NO WAY the King of that behavior. I can name half a dozen at least that are by FAR a lot worse.


517 posted on 05/17/2006 9:58:59 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (If its such a great idea, lets see how well the capital and white house do with a virtual fence.)
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To: meyer
The message of this post, and many others is that if one doesn't like having illegal aliens invading this country, they must be some kind of lessor human....

The idiocy of your post is self evident.

Bang the drum, but please avoid destroying the progress made over the years.

By destroying the party (i.e. pouting and staying home) you will destroy gains for the anti-abortion movement, rebuilding the DOD etc...etc..etc..

It's taken years to get Supremem Court nominations we like....now over this issue you'll piss it away.

Immigration is a critical national issue and border control will become tougher with continued pressure and grass roots work. The border bunnies on FR are pathetic thumb suckers who would rather acheive nothing because they can't have it all.

518 posted on 05/17/2006 9:59:02 AM PDT by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: Pukin Dog

I certainly hope that your wonderfully common sense analysis will be taken to heart by the FReepers who have strayed into lunatic "punish Republicans by voting for Democrats" area, but I have my doubts because they seem so intent on revenge that they've lost their ability to think straight. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Regardless, thank you for your great rant. It's much appreciated and it's bookmarked. I pray it does some good around here.


519 posted on 05/17/2006 9:59:19 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: Junior_G

Jim Robinson wrote the foreward for a book called "Hillary's Secret War". Free Republic is featured prominently in the book as are other conservative web sites.

In the 90's, staffers in the Clinton White House posted here. So did staffers from The Washington Post and other liberal news organizations.

They are opinion shapers. we have all seen screen names recently that we've never seen before although they signed up years ago. They come here to stir dissent and create an atmosphere of anger and drive a wedge between Republicans.

We're seeing a lot of that now, and anyone who thinks that the posters who are advocating leaving the party are conservatives should read the book to reach an understanding how the leftists work on web sites like this one.


520 posted on 05/17/2006 9:59:23 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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