Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
None of us has any idea, but we can guess. I suppose that is keeping them from voting in the secret ballots for him as well.
I wonder if they’ll be willing to actually step up and push his button.
Chickens. Wait, that’s not fair, I don’t know they are chicken, I only have your word that they are chickens, and I shouldn’t call them that just because you did.
Peach wrote: “Making conservatives feel welcome? Which conservatives are those? Certainly not fiscal conservatives. Or law and order conservatives. Ooh, ooh - wait. You mean making social conservatives feel at home.”
That’s a bogus argument, Peach. Most conservatives can’t be so conveniently classified as that. Most conservatives I know are conservative in their views on social, fiscal and security issues.
Most people I know who are liberal on social issues but conservative on fiscal issues are libertarians, not conservatives.
Joe Lieberman is conservative on L&O and security issues, but he’s a liberal on most everything else, and not even close to being a conservative overall.
The Issues2000 website classified Rudy as a libertarian-leaning moderate, which is an arguable point. He’s just so liberal on the four real hot-button social issues (abortion, illegal immigration, gays and guns) that conservatives who believe in fiscal restraint, security AND traditional values can’t bring ourselves to even consider him.
Rudy’s support of social tinkering on any one or two of these issues would be deal breakers by themselves, but ALL FOUR?
Unacceptable.
And even if Rudy is a moderate, what good is that? The GOP moderates and their suicidal tendency to go along with liberal Dimocracks have made a real mess of the Republican Party and the nation.
It’s going to take a lot of hard work just to get the country back on the path Ronald Reagan set it upon a little over a quarter-century ago. this is not a job that we can trust a moderate or a liberal to do. We need a conservative for this task.
Who was the subject of the post you were replying to?
Ok, so you're not only a liar, but you are a dissembling prevaricating liar. Figures. Liberals lie a lot.
Giuliani's liberal positions and utter contempt for the constitution, individual rights, the rule of law, national security, national sovereignty, etc, disqualifies him from any consideration for the presidency,
Agreed. Jim`s laid down the law, these anti-conservative liberal types should just hit the road. Be gone!
“And lotsa Americans hate the Jihadists!”
That must mean we’re all qualified to be President!!!
That’s the dumbest post I’ve ever seen on FR.
Elyse, what we are seeing here is no longer simply discussion, but online combat. More specifically, it’s online ‘kamikaze’ combat, born of desperation and an absolute determination to either ‘rule or ruin’.
Which we largely repealed in 2000. And we had a balanced budget. And yes, it would have been better not to have had a tax increase, but you take the good with the bad (we had an enormous tax increase with GW Bush Sr as well).
As I said, can you get any creepier?
Sweetie's one thing, calling me Hillary is another. Discussion is obviously over, as I don't sink to your level of discourse.
Guess who worked for Reagan from 1981 to 1983 (as Associate Attorney General overseeing Immigration) and was instrumental in promoting his amnesty plan (only to later defy its enforcement through sanctuary city policies)? You got it—none other than... Rudy!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1816923/posts?page=89#89
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1816923/posts?page=91#91
No wait! This is a trick question, right?
LOL!
I’m voting third party on that one.
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This is just so precious. A perfect example of the kind of sh*tty attitude JR is seeking to eliminate, IMO.
I'm all three types of conservative that you list. But my social conservative side has taken a beaten by you and yours for far too long.
You all beat up on the fiscal conservatives here who criticized Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress for unprecedented increases in discretionary domestic spending. Now you want to wear the fiscal conservative mantel. No way.
You all also beat up on the law and order conservatives who criticized Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress for refusing to enforce immigration laws, failing to prosecute law-breaking employers, and for proposing amnesty for the illegal aliens' and their employers' crimes. Now you want to pretend that YOU are the law and order conservatives. Fat chance.
Then you beat up on the national security conservatives who wanted our borders sealed after 9/11 and continued to call for border barriers and military on the border ever since. Many of the Rudybots (some now banned) were the ones calling national security conservatives who demanded better border security things like "racist", "xenophobe" and other liberal nonsense. Now you want to be the national security conservatives. That's not credible either.
You just don't have any credibility as a conservative. Now you have even less as you promote a liberal abortionist, homosexualist, gun-grabbing, draft dodging serial adulterer to be the GOP presidential candidate.
Real conservatives are feeling more welcome here as the liberals who have been attacking them are being shown the writing on the wall. Support conservatives and conservatism or take a hike. We don't need you distraction and disruption here. We've got better things to do and it doesn't involve promoting liberals and their liberalism.
“Giuliani’s liberal positions and utter contempt for the constitution, individual rights, the rule of law, national security, national sovereignty, etc, disqualifies him from any consideration for the presidency”
B U M P
The left runs midddle and governs left. The right doesn’t do a good job of defending itself in an election and upon accidently winning, governs in the middle.
We need to sell conservatism, no doubt about it.
I don’t think Giuliani can pull down those three states, but he would damage conservatism.
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