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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: PhilDragoo; RaceBannon

RB, have you seen Phil’s post?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2040486/posts?page=526#526

You may want that for your Iran Hostage history site.


751 posted on 07/04/2008 8:09:18 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: mkjessup; muawiyah
muawiyah ~ Oh, yeah, I did that BEFORE the law said anything about it. In another license bureau I could have put in “Martian” and they’d have accepted it.

mkjessup ~ So what do you and your Martian Overlords plan to do with us Earthlings?

Please don't eat us.

If they start with the fat ones, I'm doomed...

752 posted on 07/04/2008 8:09:22 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void; David

…plus the original claim that he was born in a hospital that hadn’t yet been built…

In no way am I arguing with you, but you may have BO confused with McNut.

Folks (not McNut) out there insist McNut was born at Coco Solo Naval Base, Canal Zone, located on the Atlantic side of the isthmus.

If he was born on the Atlantic side, he could not have been born at Coco Solo because Coco Solo Hospital wasn’t built until ‘41-‘42. He was born in ‘36.

This would mean that he was born in Colon Hospital, Republic of Panama, and not the Canal Zone. Colon Hospital is a short distance from Coco Solo.

But a couple of years ago or less, I read here on FR his father was stationed at Quarry Heights, Canal Zone, located on the Pacific side (not Coco Solo). A couple of hundred yards past the front gate was Gorgas Hospital, our civilian hospital located in the Canal Zone. This means he would have been born at Gorgas Hospital, which was the nearest hospital.

Now this brings up another point:

If he was born at Colon Hospital, Panamanian territory, could he have become a naval “officer” at that time of his career?

I know the rules have been relaxed in some of these areas, but they were very strict at that time about officer eligibility.

Will be back in a couple of hours.

Regards.


753 posted on 07/04/2008 8:09:53 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Beagle8U
Did you notice that both Obama,s fake BC and the example BC that were posted have the exact same time of birth?

What do you think the odds of that are?

1440:1

754 posted on 07/04/2008 8:11:37 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void

***His relatives are Moslems. They lie a lot.***

***That’s racist!***

No it’s not. It’s in their Koran that its cool to lie to infidels. Even suggested.


755 posted on 07/04/2008 8:11:51 AM PDT by gost2
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To: pepperhead
LOL!:^)

Cordially,

756 posted on 07/04/2008 8:12:34 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Grampa Dave
There seems to be a whole gaggle of eleventh hour super sleuth FReepers that need to catch up on these issues that have already be hashed and rehashed on FR.
757 posted on 07/04/2008 8:19:45 AM PDT by Walmartian
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To: Coffee200am

But the State of Hawaii would have a copy, if he was truly born there. I can’t wait for Drudge to finally pick this story up and force Obama to either put up or shut up. But, if I were part of the McCain campaign I wouldn’t comment on this subject at all, I would leave it to surrogates.


758 posted on 07/04/2008 8:21:31 AM PDT by moose2004 (Go Ahead, Make My Day)
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To: SE Mom

“It’s all pretty sobering. What will liberals, socialists and regular old Democrats do?”

Don’t leave out African-Americans, they will be more angry than any other dem voting block if Obama is forced out. The danger for Hillary would be African-American anger at Obama being thrown under the DNC bus, and their lingering anger at the Clinton’s for their perceived racist comments during the primaries.


759 posted on 07/04/2008 8:26:10 AM PDT by moose2004 (Go Ahead, Make My Day)
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To: taraytarah; hollister23
You're ignoring the Hillary Factor.

Absolutely not. That's why I started my post with "Unity, NH" where Hillary buried the hatchet (in BHO's back?! )

Her public attacks on him were the only ones which could get some play in the press, that hurt BHO without hurting McCain.

From here on out, BHO cannot be hit. Mark my Post!

Even if Hillary! unleashes something in the background, it will be blamed on racist Republicans, and BHO will be able to use it to his advantage.

And McCain obviously will not take him on directly, and Hillary is going to smile publicly and certainly not stab him directly.

Hillary was out-teflon'd by BHO. She may be able to bloody him up for a fight in 2012 in the background....but she will see that the Republicans pay an even higher price.

760 posted on 07/04/2008 8:27:02 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: David
1986 is apparently the year of the amendment to Sec. 1401(g) which governs Obama's citizenship. However if you will look in the footnotes to the statue, you will see that it applies only to persons born after November, 1986 and thus the reduction of term of residence for the single parent citizen from 5 to 2 is inapplicable to Obama.

Thus if he was born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible to serve as President under Article II, Sec. 1, Par. 4, he is also not a citizen of the United States.

IANAL, but I think that the footnote and the actual USC language refer to it taking effect October 1988, with the provision of it applying to those born after November 1986.

Note that (g) itself states: "This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;"

If this wasn't to go into effect for people born before 1986, why would the military proviso be referenced with such an old date?

From what I see, it's retroactive to all....with a 2 years/14-years clause that would make Sen. Obama a natural born citizen if he was born in Hawaii.

761 posted on 07/04/2008 8:31:36 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Beagle8U
Today I am going to a BBQ/ welcome home party for my Marine Delta nephew that just got home after 3 tours in Iraq.

Tell him that because of people like him nully is no longer proud to be an American.

I have seen what they have done.

They utterly destroyed one of the world's largest and best trained standing armies in a matter of weeks. OK, that's what we expect from them.

What impressed me was how well they comported themselves after the military victory.

Everything from restoring some semblance of order, building schools, hospitals, sewage and water systems, inculcating a population with no history of freedom with some concept of a constitutional democracy.

Doing all this while dead-enders are doing their dead level best to destroy them and everything they stand for.

Doing this in 120° weather, while not having so much as a sip of water in honor of the local religious customs during ramadan.

Doing it with a smile for the children, a kind word for the women, and respect for the men.

No, nully is no longer proud to be an American.

nully is now deeply and profoundly humbled to be an American, and to be able to count himself as a countryman of such men and women.

762 posted on 07/04/2008 8:33:21 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: P-Marlowe; Cringing Negativism Network
in 1961 the Supreme Court of the United States specifically ruled that a person who was born in a foreign country to a mother who was a citizen and a father who was not a citizen was NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

Yes. Then, in 1986, legislation was passed to address that, putting them in the classification of Citizen by Birth. It is unclear how the 1961 decision would apply, but IANAL. :-)

763 posted on 07/04/2008 8:36:38 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
"Why can’t he produce a US BC?"

Nothing says he can't, except your assumption.

Then why does Obama still have a low-res version of the admitted forgery up on his "stop the smears" website as "proof" of his citizenship?

764 posted on 07/04/2008 8:37:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: SE Mom; David
§ 1409. Children born out of wedlock

(a) The provisions of paragraphs (c), (d), (e), and (g) of section 1401 of this title, and of paragraph (2) of section 1408 of this title, shall apply as of the date of birth to a person born out of wedlock if—

(1) a blood relationship between the person and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence, (2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the person’s birth, (3) the father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the person reaches the age of 18 years, and (4) while the person is under the age of 18 years— (A) the person is legitimated under the law of the person’s residence or domicile, (B) the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or (C) the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.

(b) Except as otherwise provided in section 405 of this Act, the provisions of section 1401 (g) of this title shall apply to a child born out of wedlock on or after January 13, 1941, and before December 24, 1952, as of the date of birth, if the paternity of such child is established at any time while such child is under the age of twenty-one years by legitimation.

(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

765 posted on 07/04/2008 8:38:05 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Dog Gone
"It is embarrassing to watch FR do this. It doesn't matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is."

Yep, you're right as far as I can tell.

1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

-(g)  a person born outside the geographical limits of the 
United States and its outlying possessions of parents one 
of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United 
States who, prior to the birth of such person, was 
physically present in the United States or its outlying 
possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than 
five years, at least two of which were after attaining the 
age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of 
honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United 
States, or periods of employment with the United States 
Government or with an international organization as that 
term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen 
parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is 
physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son 
or daughter and a member of the household of a person 

766 posted on 07/04/2008 8:40:15 AM PDT by avacado
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To: fanfan

Not quite.

You said you were retiring for the night at 19:29:44, and posted again at 20:03:21

So I thought I’d tease you a little...


767 posted on 07/04/2008 8:42:06 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: P-Marlowe

Thanks. I stand corrected.


768 posted on 07/04/2008 8:42:48 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void

Amen, nully.

My screen got blurry all of a sudden.


769 posted on 07/04/2008 8:44:43 AM PDT by exit82 (Are the environmentalists gonna pay my heating bill this winter?)
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To: xDGx

57 States? Where did that come from?

...the Organization of the Islamic Conference, representing the 57 Islamic states,...


770 posted on 07/04/2008 8:46:47 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Irish Rose
do you know what the fallout could be?

I'll venture a guess:

  1. The Democrats and all their Drive By Media will chant the talking point, "It's just a technicality", and bull their way forward.
  2. McCain will decline to push the issue.
  3. If some sort of legal action is taken derailing the anointing of the messiah, cities will burn.

771 posted on 07/04/2008 8:46:51 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: OldEagle

The law you are quoting applies only to births OUTSIDE THE USA! Are you saying that he was born outside the USA?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That’s just ONE of the reasons suspected for Obama not releasing his BC.

Apparently some of his African family memebers have been quoted as saying he was actually born in Kenya and brought to Hawaii a couple of days after.

All Obama has to do to end this is to release his REAL BC.

Why doesn’t he?


772 posted on 07/04/2008 8:47:32 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: muawiyah
Colloquially, a birth certificate is issued at birth. But technically, the terms are broader. As previously discussed, there is a difference in the forms issued now when compared to those used previously.

So, in place of the term "birth certificate," please read: "form that was issued at the time of the candidate's birth, which would have contained more information than the post-2001 short-form 'Certification of Live Birth' that was released by the campaign."

Of course, one doesn't necessarily have to be born in a state to get a Certification of Live Birth from that state, but I do believe that he was born in Hawaii...and my point was that it was likely other information on the form that he doesn't want to release.

773 posted on 07/04/2008 8:48:53 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
Yes. Then, in 1986, legislation was passed to address that, putting them in the classification of Citizen by Birth. It is unclear how the 1961 decision would apply, but IANAL. :-)

If one is not a Natural Born Citizen at the time of birth, then one is not eligible to be president. Congress cannot ex-post facto create a Natural Born Citizen out of a foreign national by legislative mandate. The status at the time of birth is controlling. Thus, if Obama was born outside the United States in 1961 and his father was not a US Citizen, then he would not be a Natural Born Citizen.

Congress has the power to make Citizens of anyone they want at any time they want, but they do not have the power to change a person's birth status after they are born. Any act by Congress that would change a person who was not actually born a Citizen of the United States into a "Natural Born Citizen" would be unconstitutional on its face.

They can change them into a "Legislatively Mandated Citizen" but they can't go back in time and make them a "Natural Born" citizen.

774 posted on 07/04/2008 8:48:53 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Can they take it away?

Can the SCOTUS?


775 posted on 07/04/2008 8:49:44 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: null and void; Lady Jag
So I thought I’d tease you a little...

It was Lady Jag's fault.

;-)

776 posted on 07/04/2008 8:52:20 AM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; devolve
Hussein said he'd meet with Ahmadinejad. Iran, Syria, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, Qaddafi, Hamas, Farrakhan and the New Black Panther Party have endorsed Hussein.

Mugabe was marketed as a moderate. Now we have our very own Mugabe.

Hussein hasn't yet hugged Ahmadinejad, but if elected, he will.


777 posted on 07/04/2008 8:53:12 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: All

Perhaps his grandmother is on to something here:

~snip~

“He keeps a lot of secrets and is full of surprises. I am very confident he will win the race and become president,” Hussein, wrapped in brightly colored clothes, said in a husky voice.

~snip~

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSL0872724120080109?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews


778 posted on 07/04/2008 8:53:47 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
In no way am I arguing with you, but you may have BO confused with McNut.

Me? Confused? I suppose that is theoretically possible...

779 posted on 07/04/2008 8:54:01 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: gost2

Oh, sure, I suppose now you’re going to pull the al taqqiyah card.


780 posted on 07/04/2008 8:55:32 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: moose2004
But, if I were part of the McCain campaign I wouldn’t comment on this subject at all, I would leave it to surrogates.

So will Hillary!™

781 posted on 07/04/2008 8:56:22 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: SE Mom
Poor granny is going to be severely disappointed when he gets his arse handed to him in the election. McCain with all his flaws will beat Obama by more than 5 points.
782 posted on 07/04/2008 8:56:42 AM PDT by jrooney (Obama's mentor says God Da*n America. That explains Obama's refusal to put his hand over his heart.)
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To: SE Mom

Yikes is right. Bookmarking for later.


783 posted on 07/04/2008 8:57:04 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamofascist Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: txflake
No, it's not real. Political satire in graphic form.

Hussein publicly promised to meet with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea without preconditions.

And isn't it special that those totalitarian nations have endorsed him.

If elected, he most assuredly will meet Ahmadinejad.


784 posted on 07/04/2008 8:58:32 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: exit82

Yeah. Mine too writing it. Somehow it’s slightly easier to say in person.


785 posted on 07/04/2008 9:00:01 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Vinnie
What if he is elected and then it is revealed that he was born in Kenya? Does he resign? The dims and nation 'forgive' him and shrug? He refuses to resign and a coup follows? Could get interesting these next 6 months.

You have got that right!

786 posted on 07/04/2008 9:00:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Gondring; xzins
Can they take it away? Can the SCOTUS?

The 1986 legislation may have made Obama a Citizen, but it did not make him a Natural Born Citizen.

I am not questioning whether Obama is a Citizen. Arnold Schwartenegger is a Citizen, but he is not a "Natural Born Citizen". And if Obama was born outside the United States and his father was not a Citizen, then Obama cannot be a "Natural Born Citizen".

Your status at the time of your birth is what determines whether you are a Natural Born Citizen.

If Obama was born outside the United States, then by virtue of the 1961 Supreme Court decision in Montana v. Kennedy, 366 U.S. 308 (1961) Obama would not be eligible to take the office of President.

787 posted on 07/04/2008 9:01:21 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: muawiyah

It may have at the time but the law was changed subsequently. All similarly situated persons benefit ~ that’s usually the course of such things in this country.

I have read that nothing in the law that replaced this one in late 1986 says it changes anything retroactively.

Just as that law, in effect from 1953 to 1986, said nothing about changing the law in effect before 1953.

ALL new laws do not apply retroactively.

Obama can end all of this by releasing his real BC.

Why doesn’t he?

His campaign had said that the BC recently posted on several websites, including his own, was the real one.

That one is now an admitted fake, by the guy who faked it.

What is Obama hiding?


788 posted on 07/04/2008 9:01:27 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: jrooney
McCain with all his flaws will beat Obama by more than 5 points.

I, for one, wouldn't put money on that.

"He who votes doesn't count, only he who counts the votes counts."

789 posted on 07/04/2008 9:03:28 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; FARS; Jeff Head; devolve
think it is an excellent Photoshopped job. But the Link has some dynamite stuff!

Yes, it's a graphic satire of so-so quality which should be obvious. The crux of the matter is the true nature of Hussein's "innocent vacation to Pakistan and India"--

Hussein's campaign claims the 1981 trip to Karachi was merely to visit a friend's family.

The activities and associations of the friend and his family are quite damning.

A man says he's only visiting his uncle--but the man is Ramzi Yousef and his uncle is Sheikh Khalid Mohammed. . .or the man is Yassir Arafat and his uncle is the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Yes, we must continue to research Hussein, for his real story disqualifies him with every newly revealed chapter.

790 posted on 07/04/2008 9:04:59 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Travis McGee
Then why does Obama still have a low-res version of the admitted forgery up on his "stop the smears" website as "proof" of his citizenship?

You're using a similar logical fallacy to those who said: "Why won't President Bush meet with Cindy Sheehan if he has nothing to hide?"

Or look at it from a game-theory perspective: if he doesn't have a legit BC, then he won't show it; if he does have a legit BC, why show it?

In fact, if he's legit, it serves him well not to show it except under his timing...perhaps after critics put themselves out there in a vulnerable spot.

Fact is, he's taking NO real heat from this, so why respond now and draw attention to it? A smart player doesn't let his opponent dictate his moves.

791 posted on 07/04/2008 9:07:22 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Calpernia

I saw that, didn’t think of doing that until you said that! LOL!!


792 posted on 07/04/2008 9:08:49 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: Gondring

Oh BS. He still has a low res version of the fake BC up on his own “stop the smears” site as “proof” of his ciizenship.

If he had a real one, that fake would be GONE like days ago.


793 posted on 07/04/2008 9:09:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Gondring
"Fact is, he's taking NO real heat from this, so why respond now and draw attention to it? A smart player doesn't let his opponent dictate his moves."

PS: this was the exact Kerry strategy vis a vis "Swiftboat Veterans for the Truth" for a few months.

How did that work out for him?

794 posted on 07/04/2008 9:11:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: AmericaUnited
Ok. For all: I have now posted a legal opinion setting out the legal analysis applicable to both McCain and Obama under a new post, "Obama and McCain: Citizenship And Eligibility--Legal Issues" Vanity | July 4, 2008 | David

Posted on Friday, July 04, 2008 11:10:39 AM by David

795 posted on 07/04/2008 9:13:20 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: null and void
Remember the voter ID act has been ruled constitutional by SCOTUS, thus making illegal votes harder to come by and all the polls you see posted by the MSM are for registered voters, not likely voters. There are millions of pissed off Hillary voters (middle aged women - PUMA and NOBAMA) that will not vote for Obama because he was selected, not elected by taking votes from Florida and Michigan. Obama will be the first Democratic candidate to lose the Hispanic vote because of racial tensions between Hispanics and Blacks. McCain will get a larger number of Jewish voters than usual due to Jews being worried about Obama. Asians in larger numbers will also go to McCain because of once again the racial tensions between Asians and Blacks. Obama will not carry one southern state because of his church association and voters clinging to guns and religion comment, etc and this is all BEFORE the 527’s have started to hammer him. Obama is done. The NRA is going to spend 40 million dollars themselves targeting Obama/democrats. Rove has been handed the keys to a $200 million chest to target him and democrats also. Vet groups will shred Obama worse than the pounding Kerry took.
796 posted on 07/04/2008 9:15:19 AM PDT by jrooney (Obama's mentor says God Da*n America. That explains Obama's refusal to put his hand over his heart.)
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To: David

What’s the link man? Did I mention I love you?


797 posted on 07/04/2008 9:19:14 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: jrooney

Yet in the last election some districts had 110% + voter turnout.

Not a peep from the MSM.


798 posted on 07/04/2008 9:19:57 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Gondring
Obama’s own campaign has posted and claimed the forged BC on his stop the smears site is real. It is a forgery. Now if Obama comes out with the real one, it is too late. He allowed a forged one to be passed off as the real one. If he had a real one, he would not allowed this to happen, since the BC on the site has now been confirmed more than likely by a preponderance of the evidence to be a forgery. Obama has serious questions to answer and it is a very long time before the election in Nov.
799 posted on 07/04/2008 9:20:32 AM PDT by jrooney (Obama's mentor says God Da*n America. That explains Obama's refusal to put his hand over his heart.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Thus, if Obama was born outside the United States in 1961 and his father was not a US Citizen, then he would not be a Natural Born Citizen.

Not necessarily true.

1409. Children born out of wedlock

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001409——000-.html

800 posted on 07/04/2008 9:20:49 AM PDT by Raycpa
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