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Brass tacks discussion on Islam

Posted on 11/18/2015 8:12:10 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Ok, let's get down to brass tacks.

How long has the Islam religion been around and have they always been so hateful and violent (like so many of them are today)?

I believe they claim to be direct descendants of Abraham but I also believe that Abraham was a favorite of our one true Judeo-Christian God, and was the father or grandfather of the Jewish and Christian religions.

I have a hard time believing that our loving Judeo-Christian God is also the Islam God, Allah, whose Muslim followers seem to be so misplaced.

Haven't the warlike Muslim tribes fanned out and violently conquered every nation in their 1400 year path of conquest?

Did God command them to conquer and dominate the entire world? Did he command them to demand infidels to submit, convert or die?

Who and what are these people and who is Allah?

This Muslim violence seems to have been going on worldwide for at least 1400 years.

Could it be that Islam IS the enemy (despite Obama's many denials)?


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To: jsanders2001
He also read the OT and grew up amongst Jews, who he later slaughtered.

Nowhere in either book of the Bible does it proscribe women from showing their hair, but that's a very old SECULAR tradition from many different civilizations, that died off long ago, for Most Jews and most Christians. Not so with the Muslims, who regressed in the 1950s in Egypt; for POLITICAL, not "religious" reasons.

41 posted on 11/18/2015 8:51:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: umgud

I believe Obama is either muslim, or a muslim sympathizer.

The only thing I wonder about is his obsession with homosexuality. Muslims normally want homosexuals killed.


42 posted on 11/18/2015 8:51:15 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: umgud
Obama is a muslim. I didn’t always believe that, but I can’t draw any other conclsion now.

I look for his "conversion" within a year of leaving office....

43 posted on 11/18/2015 8:52:23 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Jim Robinson
Here is the question to ask of any Muslim, put it this way in a friendly voice.

"I know you are a Muslim, and I would never attempt to try to convert you to anything else. But do you believe, as a Muslim, that others of other religions (name a random few) should be able to worship freely in the religions they are members of and even athiests free to have their beliefs?"

You can leave out the athiest part if you want. Watch their reaction and listen to what they say.

The first time I asked this question, it was as a friend to a friend, as I was just curious.

He was a colonel in Mubarak's body guard. His wife was a surgeon in Alexandria. About the friendliest, "moderate" you'd ever find.

I had known him well for 6 months.When I asked, you should have seen the chilling look of hatred that came on his face.

He looked me right in the eye and in a very sinister tone said, "There is no God but Allah and Muhammed is his messenger".

Since then I have gotten exactly the same answer by asking the same question of other Muslim friends of mine, and Muslim friends of friends.

44 posted on 11/18/2015 8:52:55 PM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: bigbob

Deux Volte.

Yes, the Popes ordered the crusades.

http://www.prisonersofeternity.co.uk/the-first-crusade-deus-volte/


45 posted on 11/18/2015 8:54:33 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: Jim Robinson
Recipe for winning the War on Terror.

Allow no "no go" zones in any Western Country, out law Burquas and female circumcision. Any mosque preaching hate is razed, all non citizen Muslims get repatriated any citizen Muslims taking up arms against any Western state is stripped of citizenship and declared an enemy combatant.

If you wish to wage a serious war on fundamental (radical) Islam when you have to attack it at it's source, Saudi Arabia and the other gulf oligarchies. Any nation that lives under Sharia law is an enemy state and must be defeated. Conquered stated are occupied until they have been domesticated, educated, civilized, and capable of functioning as a constitutional republic. All resources of an occupied state belong to the occupiers. Forcibly resisting occupation is a capital offense, military tribunals adjudicate criminal offenses, executions are held in public.

I think that about covers it, of course the education program should encourage the conquered peoples to adopt a religion that does not command its' followers to kill non believers. And as in the Western nations no Burquas, etc in occupied states.

46 posted on 11/18/2015 8:54:56 PM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: Jim Robinson

Time for a crusade.


47 posted on 11/18/2015 8:55:00 PM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes Jim Robinson. They have always been so hateful.

Our first war as a nation was against the Barbary pirates.

We ended up paying an enormous portion of our community pun tries income rather than fight them...


48 posted on 11/18/2015 8:56:00 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: Jim Robinson

My religion doesn’t command me to kill anyone.


49 posted on 11/18/2015 8:56:54 PM PST by The Toll
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To: Jim Robinson
Allah is not the God of Abraham?

No, Allah is instead the great pretender who wants to make everyone think he is the same god. But who do you know in the entire biblical narrative that is known as the great deceiver who mimics all God's activities and tries to pass them off as his own? It is the one and the same Satan who will continue to deceive his followers to try to bring about the end times.

They are waiting for the Mahdi who they believe is their Messiah. In actuality their Mahdi is our Antichrist who will try to pass himself off as our God. A great book by Joel Richardson who has researched this issue with respected Islamic Scholars is out there called " The Islamic Antichrist; the shocking truth of the real nature of the beast." It is a very good and quick read. Very interesting How tenets of Our faith gets twisted to represent theirs.

50 posted on 11/18/2015 8:57:03 PM PST by BastropBarbie
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To: JudyinCanada
I believe Obama is either muslim, or a muslim sympathizer.

And the end result on him is essentially the same, either way.

51 posted on 11/18/2015 8:57:59 PM PST by matt1234 (Note to GOPe lurkers: I and thousands like me will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush)
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To: nopardons

When did Sharia law come along? Is it in the Koran? Is it practiced by all muslims? Isn’t it true that our real enemies are the adherents to Sharia Law? Who wrote the Koran?


52 posted on 11/18/2015 8:58:44 PM PST by HandyDandy (Don't make up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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To: JimSEA

Seems to be just about opposite to our Judeo-Christian beliefs which I understand is the foundation of our nation and our system of government? It’s almost like a foreign concept and not compatible at all with our Judeo-Christian society and concept of equality under the and equal justice for all?

It’s almost be like a foreign alien entity trying to force fit within a nation?

How can believing Muslims ever be expected to assimilate and live peacefully within a Judeo-christian society?

Looks like this would automatically and unavoidably set up a clash of cultures?

Is there something wrong with our national idea of allowing such glaringly opposite foreign/alien belief systems to immigrate into our society? Has this ever worked anywhere else? Can a nation long survive with two diametrically opposed rules of law and justice systems at the same time? How can one set of laws apply in one case and a different set in the next? Can the twain ever meet?


53 posted on 11/18/2015 8:59:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: gbunch
Also, as has been pointed out, Islam is much more than a religion. It is a complete socio-political system which is ABSOLUTELY incompatible with our Constitution, not to mention freedom and common sense.




54 posted on 11/18/2015 8:59:37 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen (Was addicted to the Hokey Pokey...but I turned myself around...((@))
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To: Jim Robinson

Worth the watch. . . what a history lesson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4daEvQ2zYGs


55 posted on 11/18/2015 9:01:54 PM PST by Maudeen (Sinner Saved by Grace)
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To: Jim Robinson

Virtually every conflict in the world is because of Islam. Despite my deep belief in freedom of religion, I have come to believe it has no place in Western Civilization. Is Islamophobia bad or is it the correct position to take to save Western Civilization? I think it is the latter. It becomes clearer every day.


56 posted on 11/18/2015 9:02:18 PM PST by doug from upland (The ultimate in foolishness -- "'Romney is just as bad as Obama" WTF?)
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To: Jim Robinson

They kill us or we kill them. Bottom line.


57 posted on 11/18/2015 9:02:19 PM PST by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: Jim Robinson
My own perception of this, based on reading and anecdotal info seems to indicate that Islam is a fractured spinoff of a originally Jewish group who modified the religion for their own ends.

Because it has no top down organizational structure, it has no way to reform it's self and thus it is more in line with cultish behaviors of thousands of individual low level leader/preachers.. What is so devilish about the sect is that it encompasses a governing structure and this is what leads to violence, just as it has with other religions in the past. In short, it needs to be reformed or destroyed. IMO It can never be side by side with a civil government of any kind for very long, and reformation seems to be a bridge too far.

58 posted on 11/18/2015 9:04:09 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Lopeover
Islam is not a religion. It needs to be banned in The United States & mosques closed. Islam is not compatible with out Constitution.

I agree. A US Constitution which exempts the President from working on Sundays and refers to Jesus at it's conclusion was never meant to encompass the Muslim religion.

59 posted on 11/18/2015 9:06:21 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama as a child was in Muslim schools where only Muslims could attend. One is not allowed to leave Islam without a strong chance of becoming the star at the headchoppers ball.

Obama still has his head.

A little ‘QS’ logic there from the rockin’ questionable sanity ranch.


60 posted on 11/18/2015 9:06:39 PM PST by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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