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LostInBayport: Ok. Thanks. Will have to tune in then. I did listen to this one. He sure was laying the accent on.

Is this the video?

http://www.politisite.com/2012/10/02/obamas-other-race-speech-watch-video-here/

“However, his campaign was claiming they raised more than $9 million from October 1-November 10, which was more than double what he raked in the whole rest of the campaign. Did they already spend the entire $9 million? On what?”

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They often speak in gross numbers. It could have easily cost then $6 million to raise $9 million netting them only $3 million.

Fair point. I’m 20 years his junior. Maybe it’s a generational thing. But it’s all a moot point now. The damage has been done. And if it was all completely innocent and this has been a character assassination, I’m sorry for HC.

“Good Christian man”

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Christian marriage - the two become one flesh. It is to be the most intimate and closest of relationships. I have no relationships, male, female, business entity, or otherwise for 13 years that my wife doesn’t know about at least in passing.

It doesn’t pass the smell test for my view of a Christian marriage. And it’s not passing the smell test for the donors or voters. His candidacy is done.

I think we view his actions through our eyes. In our world, giving someone say $500 for rent is a big deal. If we gave $10 for a fundraiser at work, we may not tell our wives. To Cain, perhaps $500 is like $10 is to us. It would help his case, if he said “over the last X years, I’ve given $y to this many people”

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I don't think so. Thankfully, I'm pretty well off. My wife doesn't manage our finances and I regularly support organizations without necessarily asking permission. If it's significant, say $5000, I usually let her know about it. If it's a regular thing, as in something on my heart or hers, the other knows about it.

But there is a vast difference between supporting an organization, a cause, and a person. And there is a even bigger difference between supporting a person and supporting a person of the opposite sex. My wife trusts me and I trust her. And because we trust each other, you can bet that I'm not going to even have the appearance of hurting her by attaching myself to supporting someone else in that way without her being told by me.

At least that's my view on it. Clearly, it's not HC's. But HC is finding out, his view on this is not close to the mainstream Conservative view. His fundraising has dried up and he is taking a hit in the polls.

I think we view his actions through our eyes. In our world, giving someone say $500 for rent is a big deal. If we gave $10 for a fundraiser at work, we may not tell our wives. To Cain, perhaps $500 is like $10 is to us. It would help his case, if he said “over the last X years, I’ve given $y to this many people”

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I don't think so. Thankfully, I'm pretty well off. My wife doesn't manage our finances and I regularly support organizations without necessarily asking permission. If it's significant, say $5000, I usually let her know about it. If it's a regular thing, as in something on my heart or hers, the other knows about it.

But there is a vast difference between supporting an organization, a cause, and a person. And there is a even bigger difference between supporting a person and supporting a person of the opposite sex. My wife trusts me and I trust her. And because we trust each other, you can bet that I'm not going to even have the appearance of hurting her by attaching myself to supporting someone else in that way without her being told by me.

At least that's my view on it. Clearly, it's not HC's. But HC is finding out, his view on this is not close to the mainstream Conservative view. His fundraising has dried up and he is taking a hit in the polls.

I have no problem with HC’s story. I assume if there was an affair of some kind and she was travelling on and off with him, she would be able to produce some kind of evidence. To date she has not.

But it doesn’t speak well for HC’s judgment, IMO, if he’s a married man and giving another woman money and his wife doesn’t know a thing about it.

This is a bit ridiculous. He knows whether he made them or not. Come on Cain. If you’re innocent of this then sue her for slander - depose her and have both of you go under oath. If you’re not innocent - then confess and move on.

This isn’t that difficult. Reassess nothing. You either had an affair or you did not. You denied it personally - your attorney said what happens between consenting adults is out of bounds. Enough charades.

Nobody but us and a few other people watch these debates.I forgive him and most will .

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It’s Drudge headline material. Over 100 million will be watching those 53 seconds in the next 24 to 48 hours.

I don’t think Rick makes it past Iowa.

Just think of the Saturday Night Live skits they could do on him if he were elected President.

Clearly, she was neither offended, nor traumatized, nor scandalized by this alleged incident.

Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be extremely disappointed in Mr. Cain if he were engaging in this sort of conduct. But this woman’s own statement, and the fact that she never made a complaint to the NRA, does not support the “outrage” she says she feels now, over a decade later.

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Very well said. She clearly did not feel threatened during the situation. Anyone who is assaulted would have felt threatened.

I figure all that is going to checkout. She’s got the two sworn affidavits. I think one was from her doctor, the other from a friend. But yes, you are right, it should be easy enough to verify the plausibility of the incident.

But even if it does checkout. There is nothing she accused him of that he couldn’t respond with in-kind. “The woman was accepting my drinks, she was flirting with me, she accepted my upgraded room, she accepted my invitation to dinner, etc. I thought we were two consenting adults. The moment she made it clear that my advance was unwelcome I stopped.”

Sure, I’m probably naive, but I don’t imagine this is a conspiracy. This is hardly newsworthy at this point. It’s not harassment, it’s not assault. It’s a guy who thought an easy woman was coming on to him.

My wife watched with me and the first thing she says, is this lady made lots of mistakes. She thought the room was a nice romantic gesture from her boyfriend. The moment she heard it was from Cain the incident should have been over. Does she normally have drinks and dinner and get alone in cars with men when she is involved in a relationship with someone else?

When our kids were young, I wouldn’t drive most of our babysitters home alone. It’s just not worth it to put yourself in that type of situation.

My wife and I watched the interview. It seems pretty straightforward to us.

I’m assuming that it happened as she said. It’s what she didn’t say that is important. She was giving off all the signals that she was “available.” She made lots of mistakes. It started by accepting the hotel room after you heard he upgraded her. It continued with drinks and dinner.

If she were a professional woman she would have said right at the beginning, no thank you. I am looking for a reference, that’s all. She could have made that perfectly clear without accepting drinks, dinner, etc.

He made an unwanted advance. Who knows how flirtatious she was acting to get a “recommendation.” He could have misread her and obviously did. But the moment she was direct and clear, he stopped.

This was not harassment or assault. It’s the result of an over-sexed society. If it’s true, I’m disappointed that Cain acted this way, but not surprised. But its certainly nothing worth the attention its getting. This isn’t even close to anything like Juanita Brodderick.

This is about a bunch of neo-Calvinists who got their panties in a knot before they even read the book.

BINGO!

This response to those folks is spot on.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/atheologies/4332/pastor_rob_be

ll_catches_hell_from_conservatives_%7C_(a)theologies_%7C_/ "a dangerous combination of humility and arrogance that hermetically seals fanatics from reason and evidence"

I emailed both Webb and Warner the day this bill passed the House. They responded saying that we need a stimulus but they recognized there are things in this bill that have to go.

Neither wants to be a one-term Senator.

I don’t agree with the man’s political philosophy or the “solutions” that he will be bringing to the country...

But you guys come across as petty and childish attacking him for not wearing his suit jacket while he is working.

Frankly, get a principled constitutional conservative that is articulate and can speak to these issues.

America will respond to truth. McCain as long-time Senator knows nothing but compromise. Obama seems to be running circles around him from a debate perspective, but all his solutions are government oriented.

There have been so many openings to carry the day. Heck, both these guys know more about the “details” then I do, but I think I would have handed them their lunch in answering these softball questions outlining a philosophy of true conservative principles of limited government, decentralization of power, and Christian values of virtue, compassion, and sacrifice.

Unfortunately, we have the system we deserve. A government by the people for the people, and it doesn’t say much about the people.