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  • DRUDGE: Obama describes a society... where white majority profits by exploiting black America'...

    10/02/2012 4:13:08 PM PDT · 56 of 177
    ktupper to LostInBayport

    LostInBayport: Ok. Thanks. Will have to tune in then. I did listen to this one. He sure was laying the accent on.

  • DRUDGE: Obama describes a society... where white majority profits by exploiting black America'...

  • Waste Opponents Money - Question

    09/04/2012 6:18:15 PM PDT · 1 of 8
    ktupper
  • Cain's Endorsement, Bachmann Loses her NICHE (and Ron Paul's eyebrows)

    12/04/2011 4:07:01 AM PST · 4 of 20
    ktupper to Jemian

    “However, his campaign was claiming they raised more than $9 million from October 1-November 10, which was more than double what he raked in the whole rest of the campaign. Did they already spend the entire $9 million? On what?”


    They often speak in gross numbers. It could have easily cost then $6 million to raise $9 million netting them only $3 million.

  • Cain: Wife didn't know about friendship, ‘financial assistance' to Ginger White

    12/01/2011 2:51:17 PM PST · 103 of 274
    ktupper to mick

    Fair point. I’m 20 years his junior. Maybe it’s a generational thing. But it’s all a moot point now. The damage has been done. And if it was all completely innocent and this has been a character assassination, I’m sorry for HC.

  • Cain: Wife didn't know about friendship, ‘financial assistance' to Ginger White

    12/01/2011 2:38:02 PM PST · 84 of 274
    ktupper to mick

    “Good Christian man”


    Christian marriage - the two become one flesh. It is to be the most intimate and closest of relationships. I have no relationships, male, female, business entity, or otherwise for 13 years that my wife doesn’t know about at least in passing.

    It doesn’t pass the smell test for my view of a Christian marriage. And it’s not passing the smell test for the donors or voters. His candidacy is done.

  • Cain: Wife didn't know about friendship, ‘financial assistance' to Ginger White

    12/01/2011 2:30:57 PM PST · 72 of 274
    ktupper to Barney Gumble
    I think we view his actions through our eyes. In our world, giving someone say $500 for rent is a big deal. If we gave $10 for a fundraiser at work, we may not tell our wives. To Cain, perhaps $500 is like $10 is to us. It would help his case, if he said “over the last X years, I’ve given $y to this many people”

    ===================

    I don't think so. Thankfully, I'm pretty well off. My wife doesn't manage our finances and I regularly support organizations without necessarily asking permission. If it's significant, say $5000, I usually let her know about it. If it's a regular thing, as in something on my heart or hers, the other knows about it.

    But there is a vast difference between supporting an organization, a cause, and a person. And there is a even bigger difference between supporting a person and supporting a person of the opposite sex. My wife trusts me and I trust her. And because we trust each other, you can bet that I'm not going to even have the appearance of hurting her by attaching myself to supporting someone else in that way without her being told by me.

    At least that's my view on it. Clearly, it's not HC's. But HC is finding out, his view on this is not close to the mainstream Conservative view. His fundraising has dried up and he is taking a hit in the polls.
  • Cain: Wife didn't know about friendship, ‘financial assistance' to Ginger White

    12/01/2011 2:30:34 PM PST · 71 of 274
    ktupper to Barney Gumble
    I think we view his actions through our eyes. In our world, giving someone say $500 for rent is a big deal. If we gave $10 for a fundraiser at work, we may not tell our wives. To Cain, perhaps $500 is like $10 is to us. It would help his case, if he said “over the last X years, I’ve given $y to this many people”

    ===================

    I don't think so. Thankfully, I'm pretty well off. My wife doesn't manage our finances and I regularly support organizations without necessarily asking permission. If it's significant, say $5000, I usually let her know about it. If it's a regular thing, as in something on my heart or hers, the other knows about it.

    But there is a vast difference between supporting an organization, a cause, and a person. And there is a even bigger difference between supporting a person and supporting a person of the opposite sex. My wife trusts me and I trust her. And because we trust each other, you can bet that I'm not going to even have the appearance of hurting her by attaching myself to supporting someone else in that way without her being told by me.

    At least that's my view on it. Clearly, it's not HC's. But HC is finding out, his view on this is not close to the mainstream Conservative view. His fundraising has dried up and he is taking a hit in the polls.
  • Cain: Wife didn't know about friendship, ‘financial assistance' to Ginger White

    12/01/2011 2:06:38 PM PST · 12 of 274
    ktupper to SatinDoll

    I have no problem with HC’s story. I assume if there was an affair of some kind and she was travelling on and off with him, she would be able to produce some kind of evidence. To date she has not.

    But it doesn’t speak well for HC’s judgment, IMO, if he’s a married man and giving another woman money and his wife doesn’t know a thing about it.

  • Cain's lawyer demands records from accuser

    12/01/2011 9:26:46 AM PST · 7 of 62
    ktupper to Fred

    This is a bit ridiculous. He knows whether he made them or not. Come on Cain. If you’re innocent of this then sue her for slander - depose her and have both of you go under oath. If you’re not innocent - then confess and move on.

    This isn’t that difficult. Reassess nothing. You either had an affair or you did not. You denied it personally - your attorney said what happens between consenting adults is out of bounds. Enough charades.

  • Video: Perry implodes; Update: Campaign is over, says top fundraiser

    11/09/2011 8:12:44 PM PST · 15 of 126
    ktupper to fatima

    Nobody but us and a few other people watch these debates.I forgive him and most will .


    It’s Drudge headline material. Over 100 million will be watching those 53 seconds in the next 24 to 48 hours.

    I don’t think Rick makes it past Iowa.

  • Rick Perry says eliminate 3 agencies, can’t name them

    11/09/2011 7:44:18 PM PST · 34 of 153
    ktupper to hinckley buzzard

    Just think of the Saturday Night Live skits they could do on him if he were elected President.

  • First woman goes public with harassment claim against Cain (Her name is Sharon Bialek)

    11/07/2011 1:01:54 PM PST · 175 of 239
    ktupper to fightinJAG

    Clearly, she was neither offended, nor traumatized, nor scandalized by this alleged incident.

    Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be extremely disappointed in Mr. Cain if he were engaging in this sort of conduct. But this woman’s own statement, and the fact that she never made a complaint to the NRA, does not support the “outrage” she says she feels now, over a decade later.


    Very well said. She clearly did not feel threatened during the situation. Anyone who is assaulted would have felt threatened.

  • First woman goes public with harassment claim against Cain (Her name is Sharon Bialek)

    11/07/2011 12:53:41 PM PST · 167 of 239
    ktupper to SeekAndFind

    I figure all that is going to checkout. She’s got the two sworn affidavits. I think one was from her doctor, the other from a friend. But yes, you are right, it should be easy enough to verify the plausibility of the incident.

    But even if it does checkout. There is nothing she accused him of that he couldn’t respond with in-kind. “The woman was accepting my drinks, she was flirting with me, she accepted my upgraded room, she accepted my invitation to dinner, etc. I thought we were two consenting adults. The moment she made it clear that my advance was unwelcome I stopped.”

    Sure, I’m probably naive, but I don’t imagine this is a conspiracy. This is hardly newsworthy at this point. It’s not harassment, it’s not assault. It’s a guy who thought an easy woman was coming on to him.

    My wife watched with me and the first thing she says, is this lady made lots of mistakes. She thought the room was a nice romantic gesture from her boyfriend. The moment she heard it was from Cain the incident should have been over. Does she normally have drinks and dinner and get alone in cars with men when she is involved in a relationship with someone else?

    When our kids were young, I wouldn’t drive most of our babysitters home alone. It’s just not worth it to put yourself in that type of situation.

  • First woman goes public with harassment claim against Cain (Her name is Sharon Bialek)

    11/07/2011 12:31:51 PM PST · 133 of 239
    ktupper to Sarah Barracuda

    My wife and I watched the interview. It seems pretty straightforward to us.

    I’m assuming that it happened as she said. It’s what she didn’t say that is important. She was giving off all the signals that she was “available.” She made lots of mistakes. It started by accepting the hotel room after you heard he upgraded her. It continued with drinks and dinner.

    If she were a professional woman she would have said right at the beginning, no thank you. I am looking for a reference, that’s all. She could have made that perfectly clear without accepting drinks, dinner, etc.

    He made an unwanted advance. Who knows how flirtatious she was acting to get a “recommendation.” He could have misread her and obviously did. But the moment she was direct and clear, he stopped.

    This was not harassment or assault. It’s the result of an over-sexed society. If it’s true, I’m disappointed that Cain acted this way, but not surprised. But its certainly nothing worth the attention its getting. This isn’t even close to anything like Juanita Brodderick.

  • Pastor stirs wrath with his views on old questions (says no hell)

    03/06/2011 4:23:07 AM PST · 34 of 181
    ktupper to mongrel
    This is about a bunch of neo-Calvinists who got their panties in a knot before they even read the book.

    BINGO!

    This response to those folks is spot on.

    http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/atheologies/4332/pastor_rob_be

    ll_catches_hell_from_conservatives_%7C_(a)theologies_%7C_/ "a dangerous combination of humility and arrogance that hermetically seals fanatics from reason and evidence"
  • (Dem) Senator Jim Webb says Pork bill has 100 billion fat in it

    02/05/2009 7:39:47 PM PST · 46 of 50
    ktupper to AppyPappy

    I emailed both Webb and Warner the day this bill passed the House. They responded saying that we need a stimulus but they recognized there are things in this bill that have to go.

    Neither wants to be a one-term Senator.

  • Buchanan: Never Seen A Prez In Shirtsleeves In Oval Office Before

    01/22/2009 8:53:36 AM PST · 34 of 81
    ktupper to governsleastgovernsbest

    I don’t agree with the man’s political philosophy or the “solutions” that he will be bringing to the country...

    But you guys come across as petty and childish attacking him for not wearing his suit jacket while he is working.

  • Obama / Socialism

    10/24/2008 9:05:39 AM PDT · 1 of 15
    ktupper
  • PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE #2 LIVE THREAD

    10/07/2008 7:26:57 PM PDT · 4,278 of 6,061
    ktupper to Centurion2000

    Frankly, get a principled constitutional conservative that is articulate and can speak to these issues.

    America will respond to truth. McCain as long-time Senator knows nothing but compromise. Obama seems to be running circles around him from a debate perspective, but all his solutions are government oriented.

    There have been so many openings to carry the day. Heck, both these guys know more about the “details” then I do, but I think I would have handed them their lunch in answering these softball questions outlining a philosophy of true conservative principles of limited government, decentralization of power, and Christian values of virtue, compassion, and sacrifice.

    Unfortunately, we have the system we deserve. A government by the people for the people, and it doesn’t say much about the people.

  • Conservatives in Wisconsin and Hawaii should vote Hillary today, payback for Michigan and Florida

    02/19/2008 6:03:03 AM PST · 11 of 49
    ktupper to TheEaglehasLanded

    I think they should vote for Obama. The quicker the sun sets on the Clinton political machine the better, IMO. I would like her to get no closer to the White House than she is now.

  • Obama Republicans?

    02/03/2008 7:46:04 AM PST · 57 of 73
    ktupper to Drew68
    You hit the nail on the head! Your post is worth repeating exactly as is. I don't think this story is entirely BS. I am hearing a lot of, "Despite the fact that I disagree with Obama on everything, I'm really starting to like the guy!" Obama generates warm feelings among Republicans who enjoy watching the Clintons lose their grip on power and then lash out publicly in red-faced anger towards the one person who is standing in their way. Given the disgust so many Republicans are feeling towards their own candidates, some of pleasure in watching Obama giving Hillary her comeuppance might actually carry over to a "maybe he might not be a bad president" attitude. I do feel that if the Democrats are smart enough to nominate Obama, they'll win in a landslide. The Clintons are bound and determined to not let this happen. They would rather destroy their party than lose power." Personally, I'm a Conservative with modest to strong Libertarian leanings. Limited government is the answer. Nevertheless, I relish seeing Obama beating Hillary for the nomination, even though I think he'll beat anyone the Republicans put forward.
  • Tough road for Republicans w / Emerging Church Christians

    04/24/2007 11:05:22 AM PDT · 11 of 78
    ktupper to A Balrog of Morgoth

    Hard to explain what an Emerging Church Christian is as they’re all over the map.

    Here’s a start.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerging_Church

  • Tough road for Republicans w / Emerging Church Christians

    04/24/2007 10:55:23 AM PDT · 1 of 78
    ktupper
  • Falling prices trap new homebuyers

    12/13/2006 4:47:29 AM PST · 9 of 381
    ktupper to GodGunsGuts

    Typical entitlement mentality. Now someone else should foot the bill for their buying a 100% financed home with an exotic mortgage in a falling market.

  • Home Schoolers [Unschoolers] Content to Take Children’s Lead

    11/28/2006 7:33:19 AM PST · 107 of 118
    ktupper to linda_22003

    LOL. Was it that astonishing? I wasn't surprised at all. Certainly I should have proofread at least a little, but my habit is to just click that "I have already previewed" checkbox and click "Post".

    I type fairly quickly, and it actually seems to be disconnected from the thinking process in some respects. In other words, I say the word in my mind and my fingers just naturally type it. The finger muscules seem to have a memory of their own. It's that old muscle memory theory.

    Thus, since I type "no" and "there" far more frequently then I type "know" and "their" I find it completely natural and logical for my fingers to type "no" when my mind thinks "no" or "know" and my fingers to type "there" when my mind thinks "there", "their", or "they're". You should see the basic grammar errors I have to correct when I proofread the first draft of papers I type. It just goes to show you how strange a language English is.

    What I find interesting is the amount of people that assume I don't know the difference between "no" and "know" and "there" and "their". I guess I'm not as dumb as I look. LOL ;)

  • Home Schoolers [Unschoolers] Content to Take Children’s Lead

    11/28/2006 7:15:53 AM PST · 104 of 118
    ktupper to linda_22003

    You are quite a bit late to the party. Don't feel bad, I don't expect you to read a full discussion before responding.

    Free Republic really needs a "modify post" feature so uneducated morons like me who don't take time to proofread and shouldn't homeschool their kids and like to write runon sentences won't waste the time of other folks. This would be a great feature so we don't bog down an otherwise important discussion with posts about how poor my writing is. :) LOL

    I am thoroughly rebuked now. I think you are the seventh person that has pointed it out after I made my mea culpa.

  • Home Schoolers [Unschoolers] Content to Take Children’s Lead

    11/28/2006 4:12:42 AM PST · 91 of 118
    ktupper to redheadtoo

    Good for you! I rejoice with you. That is awesome as long as it wasn't done to the point of exasperation. I wasn't fortunate enough to have such loving discipline (training) growing up.

    Amazing, but I just posted this quote from Proverbs in a previous post:

    "A fool rejects his father's discipline, But he who regards reproof is sensible." [Pro 15:5]

  • Home Schoolers [Unschoolers] Content to Take Children’s Lead

    11/28/2006 4:06:28 AM PST · 90 of 118
    ktupper to CindyDawg

    Actually, I'm not a she, I'm a he. Fortunately my wife does most of the formal teaching in our home. Unlike me, English and Grammar are strengths of hers. Along with teaching the kids, she proofreads my papers for graduate school. Come to think of it, she helped me in college 20 years ago too. :)

    I'm not offended by the people who point out the errors in my posts. I'm thankful. If they are home school moms they're used to correcting writing and it probably is automatic. Good for them. "A fool rejects his father's discipline, But he who regards reproof is sensible." [Proverbs 15:5] I just wish they could find the one pesky logic bug that still exists in one of the dozens of stored procedures that make up the dispatch manager module I wrote last year for a campaign management system. I would hire them in a heartbeat.

    Back to the topic of unschooling. As I said, we use a formal curriculum in our home, but unschooling happens all the time too. People get put off by the name, but unschooling is simply teaching and learning in a different context. My son made me aware of another example at the dinner table last night.

    My kids play a game called Rollercoaster Tycoon on the computer. The gist of the game is to build a profitable amusement park. I have never played it, but I did understand the purpose behind it. My kids didn't realize this object and they just liked playing it to build fun looking parks and see how fast they could get the rollercoasters going. A few weeks ago I told them that the purpose isn't just to build fun amusement parks and watch the rides, but it is to actually have the park run profitably.

    Completely unrelated to Rollercoaster Tycoon, I have been making my children aware of the many advertising and marketing methods that companies use to separate you from your hard earned money. We talked about how foolish it is to think a product will give us what God has already given us in Christ. We also discussed some of the more sophisticated methods (for a 10 year old) like loss leaders.

    So my son has these two distinct conversations marinating in his mind for the last couple of weeks. Last night at the dinner table he tells me about his really profitable amusement park. He had done two different things in the park. He created a very simple and inexpensive ride to run and gave away free coupons for it (a loss leader.) He also created a really fun rollercoaster ride and gave away half off coupons for it. He then puts it in a remote part of the park and the customers can either walk to it or "overpay" for a convenient tram that drops them right next to the ride. He makes a small profit on the rollercoaster and a huge profit on the tram. Ingenious! It is clear now that my son is beginning to understand advertising and marketing and will be a much savier business owner and/or consumer as he grows older.

    That is what my understanding of unschooling is and it happens all the time. It's simply training and learning in an unstructured environment.


  • Home Schoolers [Unschoolers] Content to Take Children’s Lead

    11/27/2006 12:28:43 PM PST · 34 of 118
    ktupper to CindyDawg

    "there are a lot of very smart freepers who get those two mixed up sometimes. The thing to do is to keep a good sense of humor. People don't know what to post to people that can agree and laugh at themselves."

    Exactly. You don't learn that in school either. :)

  • Home Schoolers [Unschoolers] Content to Take Children’s Lead

    11/27/2006 12:23:12 PM PST · 32 of 118
    ktupper to tatsinfla

    LOL...see my previous response about my publik education.

    Seriously though, it's called typing very fast and responding to hundreds of emails and/or posts a week and not taking time to proofread.

    Math and science were my top subjects in school. I never did like English that much. However I read plenty more today with my family than I ever did in school.

    When I take my time I actually write fairly well. Along with work I also working toward an MBA and an MA in Spiritual Formation. You can see how important proofreading is before handing in my papers. I naturally make those kinds of mistakes when I'm typing as fast as I can think.

    I'll do better next time, especially on a home schooling thread. LOL ;)

  • Home Schoolers [Unschoolers] Content to Take Children’s Lead

    11/27/2006 11:47:56 AM PST · 13 of 118
    ktupper to ktupper

    I should say know how instead of no how. LOL Of course, I wasn't home schooled, I'm a product of a publik education.

    For the person that asked about when they will learn to do integral calculus...they will learn it if they have an interest and a need. I took Calculus in high school and higher math in college. Haven't used a bit of it.

    I did use my probability theory when playing poker though. :) Those of us in the technology business are learning all the time.

    As I said, children are natural explorers and learners. My understanding of unschooling isn't putting your kids in front of an XBOX all day. It's guiding your kids and teaching where you see their interests are. If you read to your kids, they'll want to learn to read. When they want to learn you guide, train, etc.

  • Home Schoolers [Unschoolers] Content to Take Children’s Lead

    11/27/2006 11:42:11 AM PST · 6 of 118
    ktupper to kiriath_jearim

    We home school and we use a curriculum.

    We have some friends that are "unschoolers" and don't use any curriculum. There kids no how to read, write, and do arithmetic just fine.

    Both my kids no how to ride a bike. We certainly didn't need any formal curriculum to teach them. They went riding with us, saw other kids riding, and wanted to learn how to ride. We told them a few things, pushed them along for a bit and they figured it out. It's called learning and children do it very well. Sadly, most adults have stopped.

  • Florida man takes 50-foot dive for $20

    09/20/2006 5:45:52 AM PDT · 7 of 33
    ktupper to rightgrafix

    This reminds me of the story of a man who was counting his change and dropped a dime in the urinal. After thinking about it, he threw in another quarter and said, for a dime, no, but for 35 cents, yes!

  • A major announcement about house churches (The fastest growing Movement in Christianity)

    06/27/2006 10:47:18 AM PDT · 36 of 124
    ktupper to SirLinksalot

    For those wanting more information on relational Christianity and moving from religious thinking to relational thinking take a look at...

    http://www.lifestream.org/LSBL.Feb02.html

    http://www.lifestream.org/transition/transition.html

    http://www.lifestream.org/blog/

  • A major announcement about house churches (The fastest growing Movement in Christianity)

    06/27/2006 10:37:58 AM PDT · 28 of 124
    ktupper to dangus
    Define "house church." If it is truly akin to the first-century Christians, whose "house church" ceremonies were quite elaborate and included the Lord's Supper, fasting beforehand, scripture, and a homily/sermon, led by an ordained pastor/presbyter, I'm impressed. What ever gave you the idea of early Christians having ceremonies, ordained pastors, sermons, etc.? Luther and company reformed much of the doctrine, but certainly didn't reform the practice of the church. What happened to the priesthood of all believers? We've gone from one pope to many popes (senior pastors). The self chosen few to lead the people. The Lord said, I myself will shepherd my people. We have one Father, and one mediator.
  • Bible Question

    09/16/2005 5:28:18 PM PDT · 5 of 40
    ktupper to GYPSY286

    I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. (Rev 22:18,19)

  • Relief Workers Confront Urban Warfare

    09/01/2005 6:12:49 PM PDT · 18 of 117
    ktupper to Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

    I just checked MapQuest and it's about a 25 mile walk from New Orleans to Carlisle.

    Did any people just walk out of the city after the flood and find someone in a city or town further north with some compassion and help get their lives started again?

    That's what I think I would have done with my family, given the situation I see.

  • Latest Narnia News - Exciting Pictures and interviews (Potentially spoiler images)

    08/31/2005 6:31:49 AM PDT · 2 of 41
    ktupper to DaveLoneRanger

    Is the film going to be PG or PG-13? I hope the former.

  • What was your best April Fools Stunt

    04/01/2005 10:14:59 AM PST · 4 of 16
    ktupper to Rogle

    My wife played one on our children (9 & 11) this morning. She thought of it last night. We wanted to do one that would be fun but not get the children upset or give them false hopes, etc.....so....

    Last night after the children were asleep my wife changed their clocks back an hour. Needless to say they were amazed at how bright it was at 5:30 in the morning. :)

  • Clinton assails ``epidemic'' of media sex and violence

    03/09/2005 10:13:47 AM PST · 4 of 82
    ktupper to Sub-Driver

    Poor Hillary...she must have whiplash from that HARD RIGHT turn she's made recently.

  • Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism

    12/08/2004 9:04:52 AM PST · 141 of 160
    ktupper to Tares
    Tares:

    You might enjoy this interview with Willard if you're interested in seeing where I'm coming from.

    http://www.dwillard.org/articles/artview.asp?artID=100

    - Kevin
  • Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism

    12/08/2004 8:50:47 AM PST · 138 of 160
    ktupper to Tares

    We must not be explaining ourselves clearly. Neither of us is putting forth a salvation by works view. What where eshewing is the easy believism mentality that was rampant in evangelical Christianity (particularly in the West) over the last several decades.

    The great commission is not about making converts it's about making disciples. The very thought that we even discuss the possibility of being a "convert" without being a disciple is ludicrous and foreign to the mind of the bible.

    Discipleship is not optional. It comes from or grows out of biblical belief or faith. Mental assent is not what the bible calls repentance and belief. Mental assent is why Barna is able to show that there's no difference (none, zero, zilch) statistically for the most part in the behaviors of born again Christians (isn't that redundant) and the rest of America.

    A great read on this topic (if you can handle someone who is verbose in their writing style) is _The Divine Conspiracy_ by Dallas Willard.

    As far as who is "in" and who is "out", I'll let Father sort that out.

    - Kevin

  • Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism

    12/08/2004 5:01:03 AM PST · 129 of 160
    ktupper to ktupper
    Let's try that again.

    So You Don't Want To Go To Church Anymore?

    and

    LifeStream

    - Kevin
  • Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism

    12/08/2004 4:55:08 AM PST · 128 of 160
    ktupper to Constantine XIII
    then why bother going to church at all?

    Good question. http://www.jakecolsen.com/

    - Kevin
  • Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism

    12/08/2004 4:40:26 AM PST · 125 of 160
    ktupper to CyberCowboy777
    Be careful the attitude you hold in your heart towards those who you disagree.

    Agreed. Where's humility and brokeness?

    We can easily fall in love with our systematic theology and not love Jesus.

    Jesus was quite harsh with the theologians of his day and quite tender with honest seekers. I'm reminded of the parable of the man beating his chest and asking for mercy.

    - Kevin
  • Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism

    12/08/2004 4:32:03 AM PST · 124 of 160
    ktupper to Tares; CyberCowboy777

    Tares:

    There's no use splitting hairs about which comes first, repentance or new heart. People have argued that for centuries. My personal view is the reformed position.

    Regardless, the point CyberCowboy and I made is that the result of new heart / repentance or repentance / new heart is a love for God and desire and ability to walk in his ways.

    Read the verses you posted on the new convenant...

    "And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

    It's quite clear that in normal cases there should be some visible evidence of this new heart. Let's not paint everyone as the thief on the cross.

    If you walked down the aisle at an evangelistic conference when you were 23 to get hell insurance and then spent the rest of your life living for yourself, did you really receive a new heart?

    I suppose that's God's business but where is the "and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

    Jesus said "follow me." Paul tells us to examine ourselves to see if we're in the faith.

    We're not talking about works salvation here. Salvation is by grace through faith alone. It does have a result though.

    - Kevin

  • Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism

    12/08/2004 4:16:34 AM PST · 123 of 160
    ktupper to Matchett-PI

    Taking the reformed view I would say regeneration results in repentance. Regardless of that, CyberCowboy's other points are accurate.

    Sure, righteousness is imputed to us.

    Do you think everyone that walks down an aisle, raises their hand at a meeting, or says the "sinners prayer" is elect?

    - Kevin

  • Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism

    12/08/2004 4:11:56 AM PST · 122 of 160
    ktupper to CyberCowboy777

    I guess that means you understand "imputed righteousness". :)

    It amazes me how so many defend so hard the doctrine of salvation by grace alone to the point of twisting it to mean that the normal expression of life in Christ is to simply have the correct "beliefs".

    - Kevin

  • Growing: Movement is new form of evangelism

    12/08/2004 4:04:27 AM PST · 121 of 160
    ktupper to CyberCowboy777; Tares
    I think he is referring to the "I am saved and now I go on living my life" mentality of many "Christians".

    Exactly. We had a great discussion about this last night as we are working through Dallas Willards, _Divine Conspiracy_.

    Jesus didn't just come to teach us a set of facts to "believe". These aren't "ought tos". He came to actually make us competent in these things. We are actually to love our neighbor, do good to those who persecute us, turn the other cheek, walk the extra mile, speak the truth in love, etc.

    Discipleship brings about the inner transformation that not only makes these things possible, but natural. Sadly most people are focusing on externals and try to do these acts and gain mental knowledge. As we fall in love with God and learn to walk in the way (spiritual disciplines) that Jesus did, we will experience the inner transformation. Jesus is still in the teaching through the HS and is enrolling all who would come into his school.

    CyberCowboy...I would also have to agree with your assessment of this article. I think Campolo with his huge brush misses the mark on describing what the characteristics of the "emerging church" movement are.

    - Kevin