Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.
With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.
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Don't like them, but if I have them let them be as close to me as possible. You espouse licking the federal boot, not me.
Let me explain, the USA, as it is configured now, is an empire. If a state wants out and tries to pull out it has a good chance of being destroyed. It has been done before. That is reality. Constitution or no Constitution. Doesn't matter what you say, that is fact. I pass no moral judgment's here, I acknowledge that the states might bear responsibility for what happens to them in that scenario. I harbor no illusion that VA or any other state is even contemplating this, so I am going down the federal toilet with you, a law abiding good citizen,like the good little sheep we have all become. What would Sam Watkins think of us now....
Nope! The whole point is that every state has the right to celebrate their own history any day they choose.
Only by a few of the most ignorant people who never bother to study history.
You can ignore the 80 year history of the issue and call people ignorant all you want, but the confederacy was protecting their "property rights" all along the way.
When the Federal government is the largest employer in the State of Virginia, there is no way in hell they are going to 'remove themselves from the Union.' You have to be smoking some kind of crack to think it's a possibility.
But beyond that, your philosophy would give the State government the power to choose what parts of the constitution they would follow -- see secession's half brother -- Nullification.
Obama himself has said that he think parts of the constitution are antiquated (his 'negative rights statement during the campaign) intimating that he thinks parts can be ignored.
Your philosophy would give those enemies of individual liberty a very powerful weapon.
And don't say it will never happen to Ol' Virginia. Forty years ago, no one would have guessed that strong Conservative states like California or Vermont would have turned into leftist insane asylums.
The Constitution is our only guard against them. Forget about defending Jeff Davis and Bobby Lee. They don't need your help. Defend the Constitution with you very life and don't broach the nonsense that it can be ignored for political convenience or popular whim. In the end, the Constitution is all we have.
Yes. The Diary of William Chandler, Co I, 23rd Texas Cav.
You are right, Brother. I am casting pearls before SWINE.
Ditto,
This work's two ways
What would your opinion be if a State or States told Clinton to shove his Gun Ban? Would your opinion hold if it got nasty and Federal troops got marching orders to inter the {States} to take semi-auto weapons.The Governor of this State sent the State Police ext to meet this Force-Do you see the issue?
Fast forward to Obama and now States are saying..Enough! Red States have grounds or not?
Let's have a debate
Only by those who are ignorant and dumbed down. Which sadly thanks to a woafully inadequate public education system is far too many.
Let's just hope it does not get to that point and that the Constitution prevails. But treating the constitution as a meaningless document that can be nullified at will only encourages the would-be oppressors.
“But beyond that, your philosophy would give the State government the power to choose what parts of the constitution they would follow — see secession’s half brother — Nullification.”
Nullification may be the only hope we have.
Come on Ditto..Four Supreme Court Judges don’t understand the second Amendment...You think the Constitution or the High Court are going to protect us?
A Bird in hand is better than five in a bush
Go find a web site called "www.FreeConstitionalEmpire.com" and go post your bullcrap there. Admit it, the Jeffersonian republic is dead, if you do that, then I might read another one of your posts again because you are broken f-ing record.
You mean to say it won’t be connected?
You mean to say that any conversation about the Confederacy should NEVER be connect with slavery? That may be what you hope, but it’ll never happen- (unless of course “The Noble Old South, the Civil War had NOTHING to do with slavery, The North was the invaders Apparatchiks” take over the school boards.)
Do not confuse your ancestors with the CSA. Individuals were just that, individuals. I can see that because I am not psychologically invested in this as part of my identity.
The North didn't give them 40 acres and a mule. So what? The South kept them oppressed one way or another for another hundred years. The North did too. Wasn't the Klan over a million strong in the 1920’s? That is history too. I don't have a stake in that either.
So, while I have not conceded a single point on this thread nor had one point disputed with anything other than ad hominem attacks, I wouldn't mind moving past that to learn something about history.
I am honestly interested in your ancestors and their story. Would you like to share? Got pictures? What do you know about them?
I will not say anything negative, on my honor. I think it is neat that you know about them. Send it privately if you want.
Again Ditto..This goes two ways
We both know that Courts do as they do! Remember the Private Property case?
How about the Federal Government using the commerce clause to get at our Firearms..Is this not a Violation of States Rights 10th Amendment..Regardless of the 2nd
But America has been a center-right country for a very long time. There are lurches to the left every 20 years or so, but the country comes to its senses sooner or later -- and sooner, rather than later. I may be wrong, but Obama looks incompetent more than anything else. Still, there isn't as big a base for a conservative America as there once was was, even in the South.
FWIW, I'm not sure Everett Dirksen was a moderate Republican. He supported civil rights, but he had been a supporter of Taft, rather than Dewey and Eisenhower, and was anything but a Rockefeller Republican. Apparently, he gets a raw deal from Southerners, though he was quite conservative in his day.
I'm also not convinced that blue state Republicans lost their states for the party, as you imply in another post. Immigration was decided at the federal level, and the other changes were also national or international. Look at Virginia and North Carolina now. As cities grow and spread, social attitudes also change, and it's hard for politicians to undo long term trends.
Moreover, there are a lot of differences in blue state Republicans that outsiders don't see. Some of them are as liberal as the most liberal Democrats, but others are as conservative as they can be in their time and place and still get elected.
Do we "hate Dixie"? I don't think so. If you're from the urban North and you post here you probably have a lot of complaints -- the weather, traffic, roads, drivers, politicians, taxes, government spending, crime, corruption, moonbat liberals -- but you probably like where you live for other reasons.
Southerners who post here seem to love everything about their state and to believe that what's native to the region doesn't have any flaws. It comes across as complacent and annoying. Of course there are complacent Northerners and Southerners with complaints, but they don't post here.
Getting rid of slavery was one thing our states did right. Some Southerners don't want to admit that their state or region did anything wrong, so mention of slavery or segregation gets under their skin. And that attitude ticks us off in turn.
Some of us were pretty sympathetic to the South when we started posting here -- I was -- but a onesided Southern "we're great and you're not" attitude turned us off.
From your post you like or own Firearms? Let's say our Government passed a law regarding traffic violations and gun ownership..Dang Ditto has five speeding tickets and now can't legally own a Firearm under Federal Law for LIFE.
Who determines what Guns Ditto can own? Your State that only restricts Felon's or The Fed's ?
LOL. You've exceeded even yourself, Colonel. At the moment I'm researching what Sherman's troops did to Columbia SC based on first hand reports. What scum Sherman's troops were!
I bet he had a big laugh out of getting that Southern Cross of Honor.
Why would he wear it if he weren't proud of it?
Where in North Georgia was your kinsman?
Chatooga County.
I had a great great grandfather in Catoosa County who remained loyal to what he called "the best government in the world" and was too loud about it so he had to take to the hills to avoid hanging by the rebels. When The Union Army came in the winter of 63-64 he returned and assisted a Union scout to infiltrate Rebel lines at least once.
It takes all kinds, I guess.
It was very scary to see a blip last week that Jimmy Carter was visiting the West Wing. I guess he was congratulating Obama on cramming in all four years of his presidency into Obama's first 50 days.
After the visit they were off to spray paint the sides of the Israeli embassy with pro Iranian and pro Palestinian slogans.
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