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New research refutes myth of pure Scandinavian race (Midnight at the oasis)
University of Copenhagen ^ | Jun 3, 2008 | Unknown

Posted on 06/09/2008 4:48:39 PM PDT by decimon

A team of forensic scientists at the University of Copenhagen has studied human remains found in two ancient Danish burial grounds dating back to the iron age, and discovered a man who appears to be of arabian origin. The findings suggest that human beings were as genetically diverse 2000 years ago as they are today and indicate greater mobility among iron age populations than was previously thought. The findings also suggest that people in the Danish iron age did not live and die in small, isolated villages but, on the contrary, were in constant contact with the wider world.

On the southern part of the island of Zealand in Denmark, lie two burial grounds known as Bøgebjerggård and Skovgaarde, which date back to the Danish iron age (c. 0-400 BC). Linea Melchior and forensic scientists from the University of Copenhagen analysed the mitocondrial DNA of 18 individuals buried on the sites and found that there was as much genetic variation in their remains as one would expect to find in individuals of the present day. The research team also found DNA from a man, whose genetic characteristics indicate a man of Arabian origin. The ancestors of the Danes were in contact with the wider world

Archeologists and anthropologists know today that the concept of a single scandinavian genetic type, a scandinavian race that wandered to Denmark, settled there, and otherwise lived in complete isolation from the rest of the world, is a fallacy.

"If you look at the geographic position of Denmark, "then it becomes clear that the Danes must have been in contact with other peoples," says scientist, Linea Melchior. "We know from other archeological excavations that there was a good deal of trade and exchange of goods between Denmark and other parts of Scandinavia and Europe. These lines of communication must have extended further south as one of the Danish burial grounds, which dates back to the iron age also contained the remains of a man, who appears to have been of arabian origin. People from distant lands were absorbed in Danish iron age communities

At the beginning of the Danish iron age, the roman legions were based as far north as the river Elbe (on the border of northern Germany) and it is thought that the man of arabian descent found in the burial grounds in Southern Zealand would have either been a slave or a soldier in the roman army. It is probable that he possessed skills or special knowledge, which the people in Bøgebjerggård or Skovgaard settlements could make use of, or he could have been the descendant of a female of arabian origin, who for reasons unknown, had crossed the river Elbe and settled down with the inhabitants of Zealand.

"This discovery is comparable to the findings of a colleague of mine, who found a person of siberian origin on the Kongemarke site," continues scientist, Linea Melchior. He was buried on consecrated ground, just as the circumstances of the arab man's burial was identical to that of the locals. The discovery of the arab man indicates that people from distant parts of the world could be and were absorbed in Danish communities. The iron age peoples moved away from their place of birth

"All of our ancestors, no matter when they arrived have contributed to our history and the development of our lifestyle," explains Linea Melchior. "Indeed, Danish identity is more a definition of where one is physically located and lives today than a question of our past history - since we're all originally african in origin. That we ended up in Europe was accidental, which is in itself remarkable".

"Another interesting feature of the approximately 50 graves assessed so far on the two sites and also from other burial sites and time periods in Danish history is that none of the individuals seem to be maternally related to one another", explains Linea Melchior. "We couldn't see any large families buried in the same location. This suggests that in the Danish iron age, people didn't live and die in the villages of their birth, as we had previously imagined".

The findings have been published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology 135:206-215 (2008) and PLoS One 3(5): e2214.


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1 posted on 06/09/2008 4:48:39 PM PDT by decimon
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

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2 posted on 06/09/2008 4:50:28 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

GGGG ping.

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3 posted on 06/09/2008 5:20:27 PM PDT by Erasmus (I invited Benoit Mandelbrot to the Shoreline Grill, but he never quite made it.)
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To: decimon
I assume the Arabian skeleton had small teeth.

Where Do The Finns Come From?

"Grave findings have shown that late Palaeolithic settlers in central Europe and their Mesolithic descendants in the Scandinavian Peninsula were Europoids, who had compartively large teeth - a seemingly comical detail, but nevertheless an important factor in identifying these populations. Although it is very unlikely that the language of these settlers will ever be identified, I cannot see any grounds for the theory that either of these groups spoke Proto-Uralic. "

"East Europeans have small teeth compared with the relatively large teeth of the Scandinavian, a peculiarity deriving from an age-old genetic distinction."

4 posted on 06/09/2008 5:34:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: decimon

“...discovered a man who appears to be of arabian origin.”

The Iron Age may seem a little early for a claim to restoring of the Caliphate in Scandinavia, but this ought to be good for something in this day and age.


5 posted on 06/09/2008 5:42:36 PM PDT by loungeSerf (Hi-Yield Bureaucrat Farming - Hillary/Obama 08)
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To: decimon

Nazis are deeply saddened.


6 posted on 06/09/2008 5:49:23 PM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: decimon; Ezekiel; martin_fierro
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7 posted on 06/09/2008 6:02:32 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: decimon
...discovered a man who appears to be of arabian origin

Couldn't he have been visiting?

8 posted on 06/09/2008 6:04:08 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: blam

Don’t look a gift slave in the mouth.


9 posted on 06/09/2008 6:08:30 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Midnight At The Oasis
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10 posted on 06/09/2008 6:09:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: decimon

Except for the Nazis, who has ever believed such a myth?


11 posted on 06/09/2008 6:10:23 PM PDT by DManA
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Except for the Nazis, who has ever believed such a myth?

The notion of a pure race is one thing and imagining isolated populations another. Human populations must have been somewhat isolated for us to have developed distinct physical characteristics.

My known heritage is Italian, German, Irish and French so I have no particular racialist ax to grind.

12 posted on 06/09/2008 6:16:53 PM PDT by decimon
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A team of forensic scientists at the University of Copenhagen has studied human remains found in two ancient Danish burial grounds dating back to the iron age, and discovered a man who appears to be of arabian origin.


13 posted on 06/09/2008 6:16:58 PM PDT by Ezekiel
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To: decimon
2000 years ago?
Lets see. The Roman Empire traded with Cimbra which is Jutland.
What does this prove anyway? Nothing.
The correct solution is to do a genetic test of ethnic Scandenavians and stop relying on abberent finds.
14 posted on 06/09/2008 6:36:36 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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The correct solution is to do a genetic test of ethnic Scandenavians and stop relying on abberent finds.

"Linea Melchior and forensic scientists from the University of Copenhagen analysed the mitocondrial DNA of 18 individuals buried on the sites and found that there was as much genetic variation in their remains as one would expect to find in individuals of the present day."

15 posted on 06/09/2008 6:40:56 PM PDT by decimon
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All my grandparents came from Sweden but I don’t feel all that pure ggg.


16 posted on 06/09/2008 6:43:59 PM PDT by DManA
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17 posted on 06/09/2008 10:16:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: decimon
Modern Italians are a mixture of Greeks, Phoenecians, Lombards, Normans, Swabians, Saracens, Jews, Arabs, Romans, and Spaniards, among other peoples. They are among the most heterogeneous peoples in Europe.

Even the English are "mutts": Celts, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Normans, Romans, etc.

18 posted on 06/09/2008 10:19:46 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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All the find means is, Scandinavia has always belonged to the Arabs. Now sit down and shut up while they rape women.

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19 posted on 06/09/2008 11:31:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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This must mean that muslims invented lutefisk too.

Who knew those ol’ viking raids were really jihadi just going out to say hello to the neighbors?


20 posted on 06/10/2008 12:49:11 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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