Posted on 08/31/2010 10:18:57 AM PDT by Jmouse007
The opening prayer of dedication at Glenn Becks "Restoring Honor" rally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47V-dpiLM78
(Pastor Jehles (Pronounced "Jail") is introduced and invited to give the opening prayer of dedication at approximately the 5minute:14second mark.)
was addressed to the "gods", NOT to the one TRUE God who establised America, not to the God of the Bible or of biblical Christianity.
We watched the entire "Restoring Honor" event and "Pastor" Paul Jehles OPENING PRAYER in behalf of the nation and everyone assembled which was addressed to the Lord "gods" (plural) was appalling!
This "pastor" made a specific point of calling on the "gods" for various reasons at least SEVEN TIMES in his "prayer".
(He is introduced to give the prayer of dedication at approximately the 5minute: 14second mark.)
Having taught Homiletics, I carefully reviewed his "prayer" in order to confirm what I distinctly thought I heard. I have listened to his prayer numerous times using all of the tools at my disposal and my conclusion is this: It is clearly evident from the recorded prayer found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47V-dpiLM78
that he was NOT making a mistake or that he had a lisp or speech impediment when he referred to the "gods". This is evident because in the very beginning of the "prayer" he prayed to God" (no plural) and then shortly thereafter, and I believe for the remainder of the "prayer", he prayed to the "gods".
This is either because "Pastor" Paul Jehles is a Mormon (which, upon further examination of his background, education, ministry and bio, is not the case), or because he was being PC and trying to appease all of the other "faiths" and the various false "gods" they represent and serve. In either case what he said from the dais and what he "prayed" in behalf of those gathered, and in behalf of the nation of America, in order to dedicate and open this event was nothing short of evil and Satanic!
To my knowledge, never before in the history of America has a supposed man of the cloth specifically prayed to the "gods" in a massive national public forum representing America and praying for the "gods" blessings upon the nation.
This is deeply disturbing and raises very real issues regarding the "spiritual" nature of the event, and Glenn Beck's relationship to "jesus"; especially in light of the fact that Mr. Beck injected Mormon theology into the event prior to the prayer by addressing the American Indians on the platform as "God's CHOSEN PEOPLE"! A title and position scripturally reserved for the Jews alone!
Mr. Beck was responsible for the event and nothing took place, no one did anything, without his direct involvement.
Pastor Paul Jehle was specifically chosen to give the OPENING prayer of dedication for the Restoring Honor rally. He does not appear to have any speech impediment.
In his "prayer" you can distinctly hear him apparently praying to the "gods" at least SEVEN different times:
He is introduced by Glenn Beck and invited to give the opening prayer of dedication at approximately 5minute: 14second mark.
Feel free to examine the following evidence for yourself.
Observations:
1) Whenever Pastor Jehles uses plurals: "peoples," "nations," "rights," "accounts," "treaties," "words" etc, he draws out the Ssss at the end of the word. When he uses singular words he does not put an "s" on the end or draw out an Ssss on the end of the word.
2) He begins his prayer by using the SINGULAR form "God" and uses the singular form "God" THREE TIMES before switching to the PLURAL word "gods" (*Note: all of the following minute and second marks are approximate):
He starts his prayer with "Lord God"(singular) 5:47
"In the name of 'God'" (singular) amen 6:42
"blessed the 'God'" (singular) of heaven 6:52
3) After this, Pastor Jehle switches to the plural term: "gods" for the remainder of his prayer. He uses the term "gods" at least EIGHT TIMES (unless "under gods" at the very end of the prayer is in fact singular. This is the only instance that is difficult to discern):
"Lord gods" used 4x's: 7:02, 7:09, 7:37, 7:43;
"Oh gods" used 1x :7:56
"You will do it because your gods" used 1x: 8:58
"Restoring gods" used 1x: 9:21
"One nation under gods" used 1x: 9:39. In this ONE case it is not clear if he is saying "God" or "gods", in every other instance it is clearly evident that he is using the plural and it is very disturbing to say the least.
My son, along with 200 others from Oklahoma City attended the rally and my son, along with EVERYONE around him was taken aback when they heard Jails praying to the "gods" and they were also very disturbed by what he said as he said it!
So what? Why does this matter? Why is what Pastor Jehle said in his prayer important?
This IS important! The reason it DOES matter is because throughout the event and on his TV and radio shows, Glenn repeatedly talks about the individual and America's need to "come to god," to return to "god". In light of Glenn's Mormonism and his specific choice of "Pastor" Paul Jehle to give the OPENING PRAYER OF DEDICATION to the "gods", which set the tone for the entire event, the preeminent question we must all ask ourselves and Glenn Beck is this =
WHICH "god"? Which "gods" are you calling us to cry out to? Which "god" are you calling America and Americans to follow and obey?
As much as I love and respect Glenn Beck, the "jesus" of Mormonism, the "jesus" and "gods" Glenn and Mormonism worship and serve are NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, or the God of the Bible. Neither are they the God who established America.
There is only ONE TRUE and LIVING God, He is a jealous God and He will NOT give His glory to another "god" because ALL OTHER "gods", including "jesus" and ALL of the "gods" of Mormonism, are FALSE "gods":
‘See now that I, I AM HE, And there is NO god BESIDES ME; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from MY HAND.' (Deuteronomy 32:39 Emphasis mine)
You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was NO God formed, And there will be NONE after Me.
“I, even I, AM the LORD, And THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME.
“It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And I AM GOD.
“Even FROM ETERNITY I AM HE, And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?” (Isaiah 43:10-13 Emphasis mine)
“I AM the LORD, that is MY NAME;
I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER,
Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8, Emphasis mine)
We are living in the Last days, spiritual deception and false "Christs" abound. Given the times in which we are living, it is imperative that all of us who know the true and living God use spiritual discernment in order to avoid following after false Christs, and false "gods", including the false "jesus" and false "gods" of Mormonism because all of the supposed "good works" in the world cannot save us:
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. “MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME, and IN YOUR NAME CAST OUT DEMONS, and IN YOUR NAME PERFORM MANY MIRACLES?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’" (Matthew 27:10-13, Emphasis mine)
God's Word is clear; as Christians and the Church of Jesus Christ we have a responsibility to maintain spiritual purity for the cause of Christ and in order to maintain purity regarding the genuine Gospel of Jesus Christ:
DO NOT BE BOUND TOGETHER WITH UNBELIEVERS; for what PARTNERSHIP have RIGHTEOUSNESS and LAWLESSNESS, or what FELLOWSHIP has LIGHT with DARKNESS?
Or what HARMONY has Christ with BELIAL, or what has a BELIEVER in common with an UNBELIEVER?
Or what agreement has THE TEMPLE OF GOD WITH IDOLS? For WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; just as God said, “I will dwell in them and walk among them;
And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
“Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord. “And do not touch what is unclean; And I will welcome you. “And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” Says the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18, Emphasis mine)
We need to be careful because God may be testing America as to whether or not we will serve Him and Him alone of follow after false "gods":
“If a PROPHET or a dreamer of dreams ARISES AMONG YOU and gives you a SIGN or a WONDER,
and the sign or the wonder COMES TRUE, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘LET US GO AFTER O T H E R gods (WHOM YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN) and LET US SERVE THEM,’
YOU SHALL NOT LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF THAT PROPHET or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God IS TESTING YOU TO FIND OUT IF YOU LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL.
“You shall follow THE LORD YOUR God and FEAR HIM; and YOU SHALL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, LISTEN to HIS VOICE, SERVE HIM, and CLING TO HIM.
“But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has HE HAS COUNSELED REBELLION AGAINST THE LORD YOUR GOD who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, TO SEDUCE YOU FROM THE WAY IN WHICH THE LORD YOUR GOD COMMANDED YOU TO WALK. So you shall purge the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Emphasis mine)
As Christians our responsibility is to "seek first the kingdom of God", not the country of America. If that means removing ourselves from future events and rally's promoted by Mr. Beck or others that seek to "restore America" or "restore honor" while promoting "spiritual unity" at the cost of doctrinal purity between those who know the Lord Jesus Christ and individuals, denominations and cults, like Mormonism which do not, then so be it.
For more on this pressing issue please see the following article by Brannon S. Howse regarding:
Following Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny or God's Word By Brannon S. Howse
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6439
Okay, now I listened to it. He was very deliberate in addressing godS 8 times. I cannot imagine praying to the “gods.” So there.
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
I think Pastor Jehle is a genuine Christian saying a beautiful, authentically Christian prayer, and that he simply has a peculiar verbal tic (akin to a lisp) that appears at the end of sporadic phrases throughout his prayer, including ones ending in words other than “God”. I think that those here who think that he is ever in this prayer intentionally uttering the word “Gods” and meaning it in a plural sense are mistaken.
The problem with your statment is that it is not true.
Over and over again Mr. Beck and others speaking at the rally said Americans and America need to return to "god", need to turn to "god". Sounds like a crusade to me.
Glenn said Americans need to spend the next 40 days getting back to "god". THE question is this: WHICH one of the "gods" Pastor Jehel prayed to, WHICH one of the "gods" represented by the "Black Robe Brigade" on stage, does America and Americans need to return or come to?
There is only ONE TRUE and LIVING God, He and He alone God and beside Him, there is NO OTHER.
Authentically Christian prayers are NOT addressed to the “gods”. That is heresey.
Thanks for your honesty. All I ask is that people who read my post don’t take my word for it but that they examine the evidence for themselves and come to their own conclusion. This is why I provided the YouTube link along with the minute and second marks where the terms “God” and “gods” are found.
I am a Mormon and I like Beck for what he says and does, not because he is a Mormon. I don’t like Romney or Harry Reid because of what they say and do, not because they are Mormon.
I can make a list where the Bible uses the term gods too. But, the Bible is still the word of God no matter what I think it means. Just like Glen Beck’s rally CAN still be the work of God no matter what was said in the prayer. Is it the work of God? Maybe, maybe not. I personally believe anything that promotes faith, hope, charity, and freedom is of God.
Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of US, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.
(The only beings in existence are the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, Satan, and Adam and Eve. Satan says gods and God says Us.)
Exodus 15:11
Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?
Exodus 18:11
Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.
Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Joshua 22:22
The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in transgression against the LORD, (save us not this day,)
Listen to the word “blood” at 8:36....it definitely sounds like it ends in “t” when he says it, somewhat like BLUH-T.
Sometimes when he says God, he does the same thing, sounding more like a “t” at the end than a “d”. A “t” that extends in time slightly and trails off at the end can sound like “ts”. I believe that is what you are hearing.
You ask a person to provide the opening prayer. You don’t ask them to tell you precisely what their wording will be.
I don’t agree with the use of the word “Gods”. That being said, I’m not convinced it destroys what Beck was trying to do. I certainly don’t like it. It is not a Christian prayer, once a call to “Gods” is invoked.
I have discussed the matter of this event with others. My emphasis was on Beck’s call for people to return to God.
It’s a hard sell for me to accept that an event is consecrated by our God, if a prayer asking for the consecration is addressed to “Gods”.
In the interest of not offending anyone, an event can lose it’s direction. I am not enthused to know that Imams were present on the platform either.
Our nation was founded by believers in the Christian God. We had run-ins with the Muslim believers early on in our nation’s history. Now some well-meaning people seem to think Islam can peacefully co-exist in our midst.
One need only know what is taking place at Disneyland right now, to realize how corroded that idea is.
At some point, you have to offend some people, because non-believers cannot be treated as true believers. If a religion wants to destroy your own, it’s best to keep them outside your borders, unless you wish to surrender.
Islam wants to destroy Christianity. Gods? It’s well on it’s way...
No. My statement was true. There was no alter call. No invitation to accept ‘gods’. You’re nitpicking very much like the MSM. Turn this rally into a religious issue and watch the faithful beat up on Glenn Beck. It’s what they want. It’s NOT what the rally was about.
In deference to your opinion, I just listened again to that prayer. It is not fuzzy. You can listen to just the last thirty seconds of it and hear he pronounces Lord without an “s” sound at the end, but in closing states we shall be a nation under gods’. His flipping and flopping is ... equivocating, pandering, and yes, very world council of churches-esque.
Wow, what a horrible message I had. So, well, HATEFUL. I think I see your point (end Sarc)
You are a grand example of why things are as they are. You want your ‘ears tickled’. God loves You! (End message) That gives such a warm fuzzy feeling doesn’t it? It is after all VERY True.
Yet, there is more. Jesus said “Repent!” From your post, I could infer that you be;eieve Jesus is just about flat-out cussing and slobbering in a maniacal rant.
I do not judge, but I can speak as to what is right.
Besides, I think you are missing the point of the rally and the motivation of those who were in attendance.
In other words-—
TROLL ALERT PEOPLE!!!
A question I would have on this would be...
With all the well known Christian ministers in this country, why didnt Beck ask one of them to open his rally ???
Franklin Graham or one of the other reputable Christian leaders would have been welcomed by the attendees...
With Rev Graham there would have been no confusion about God or gods...
And he would have endined his prayer with...
“In the Name of Jesus...”
and not that generic “in the name of christ...”
Glenn Beck is the man chosen (by whom?) on the “right” (political right) who will decieve many into the new One-world religion AKA Satanism!~
Just my 2 c and I was there at the rally (and it left a bad aftertase in my mouth, so to speak)- I had a much better experience as I was on the metro and an anonymous college student entered (a girl of I would guess between 18-21), she didn’t attend the really, but I could tell she was a local college girl, I was sitting with my party (4) and she entered, I did not give up my seat; which made me feel like a heel, she smiled at me with such love/forgiveness that I couldn’t have believed, and simply pulled out her Bible and read the Word of God!
This simple act of wittness for Christ to me, was greater than anything that Glenn Beck or any suppoed minister on the Mall that day had on me! Right there I dedicated my life to Christ, and have wrestled with it since-I can’t do it, only through Christ’s grace (his forgivness and belief in Him & then my public confession) can I or anyone be saved!
We should strive for this king of faith that this little college girl demonstrated, IMO, and not bombastic public show which was deceptive in it’s spiritual implications that Glenn Beck demonstrated on the mall.
Yes, I like when Beck exposes corruption, and teaches history so I am not a Glenn Beck hater, but IMO one should not listen to Glenn Beck on matters of belief in Christ the Savior!
Where is the video of the prayer?
Sorry I just noticed them (I just woke up), I will cut and paste the links, thanks.
I can’t tell you what religious bigotry looks like.
But I knows it when I sees it.
Mormons believe they will all be gods someday. Therefore there is more than one god in their view.
Their theology is not orthodox. I'm glad for Beck's exposing the socialism in Obama's administration and I hope it will continue but Beck's religion is not biblical truth.
Much ado about a verbal tic.
Who are the polytheists on that list?
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