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Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 20

Posted on 04/19/2006 10:32:18 AM PDT by RGVTx

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KEYWORDS: aruba; croupier; dewever; excelsiorcasino; geoffrey; geoffreyvancromvoirt; gottenbosboys; guidowever; gvc; joetacopino; jorandidit; joranvandersloot; natalee; nataleeholloway; tacojoe; vancromvoirt; wever
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To: Canadian Outrage

the last shall be first, and the first shall be last apparently applies even unto criminals and even on aruba, which i think a case could be made that it is actually a dimensional portal into hell, based on the observed morality of those lurking in the doorway...just a thought...anyway, does anyone recall when the prince pulled out of aruba at that time? and then, if her clothes had been torn off and thrown in the ocean near the northern point, wouldn't the tide bring them ashore about where the possible remnants were found? just paying dues around with both scenarios


1,501 posted on 05/31/2006 8:00:30 PM PDT by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: nuntukamen; shebacal; Canadian Outrage; presently no screen name; justche

Dutch pedophiles form political party (Excerpted)

AP via Yahoo ^ | 5/31/06 | BRUCE MUTSVAIRO

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Several self-avowed pedophiles founded a political party in the Netherlands on Wednesday
The Charity, Freedom and Diversity party said its central campaign platform will be lowering the age of consent in the Netherlands from 16 to 12.

"Forbidding children from sex only makes them more curious,"

He acknowledged his ideas are loathed by most Dutch people.

"A lot of people are against us and that's not strange but that doesn't worry us very much because we know we also have a lot of support," he said.

(The party) endorses broadcasting pornographic material on daytime television, and allowing children as young as 12 to feature in porn films.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641558/posts


1,502 posted on 05/31/2006 8:31:07 PM PDT by LucyT ("The little dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.")
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To: Canadian Outrage; All
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13065649/

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for May 30

Guests: Lorie Dunfield, Jeff Lanza, Deann Smith, Lawrence Kobilinsky, Gail DiSabatino, Jim Souers, Timothy Fuhrman, Rick Segall, Fawn Broadbent, Flora Jessup

RITA COSBY, HOST: And good evening, everybody.

Snip...
And one year after Natalee Holloway vanished, we will show you how the cops bungled it all along. Plus, I will ask her father about his next move.

He‘s coming up live and direct.

Snip...
And next, it‘s hard to believe that Natalee Holloway‘s parents have been going for a year without answers in her disappearance. Tonight, I will ask Dave Holloway where he‘s heading next in this case.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSBY: Well, it may be hard to believe, but today marks exactly one year since the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. The high school senior vanished without a trace during a trip to the island of Aruba last May. Since then, this case has taken so many twists and turns, but there is still no sign of the 18-year-old.

MSNBC‘s Alex Witt takes a look back at this troubling investigation.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ALEX WITT, NBC CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Mystery in paradise.

May 30, gone without a trace, a desperate search under way on the island of Aruba, after 18-year-old Natalee Holloway fails to show up for her flight home to Alabama.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Natalee‘s bags were packed, and she is ready to come home.

WITT: Natalee was last seen getting into a car with three men outside a local nightclub. She was out with friends, wrapping up a trip to the Dutch island to celebrate high school graduation.

TWITTY: She‘s an amazing 18-year-old girl and Natalee is truly an angel.

WITT: Five days after she vanished, the three young men who picked up Natalee tell police they left her at her hotel around 2 a.m. Hotel workers say security cameras did not record her return. Less than 24 hours later, two former hotel security guards are under arrest, the first official suspects in Natalee‘s disappearance.

VIVIAN VAN DER BIEZEN, ARUBAN SPOKESWOMAN: We have two suspects detained, and that doesn‘t exclude the possibility that others will follow.

WITT: June 9, 10 days into the mystery, more arrests. Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of an Aruban legal official, and brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, are arrested and questioned about Natalee‘s disappearance.

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT‘S MOTHER: I believe 100 percent in my son. Yes, I believe he‘s innocent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you talk to us about this morning?

WITT: Just one day later a possible break in the case. One of the three men allegedly admits something bad happened to Natalee the night she vanished but still no sign of the teen.

June 13, the first two suspects, the hotel guards, are set free. Four days later police arrest local party boat disc jockey Steve Croes. He knew one of the Kalpoe brothers, already in custody.

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE‘S FATHER-IN-LAW: All I want is answers, and I want them now.

WITT: June 18, it‘s Joran Van Der Sloot‘s father Paul who‘s brought in for questioning, and within a week he, too, is behind bars.

A. VAN DER SLOOT: So bizarre that my husband is taken like this without any evidence.

WITT: After three days in jail, Paul Van Der Sloot is set free along with the deejay, Steve Croes.

ARIE SWAN, PAUL VAN DER SLOOT‘S ATTORNEY: There is no sufficient suspicion for guilt.

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE‘S FATHER: Everyone was surprised. Even Paul Van Der Sloot himself was probably surprised by the verdict.

WITT: July 1, the investigation is a month old, and Aruban prosecutors say Joran and the Kalpoe brothers could be charged with murder, even though no body has been found. Natalee‘s family is becoming increasingly frustrated.

TWITTY: We will do whatever it takes. As I said from the beginning, I‘m not leaving Aruba without her.

WITT: Three days later, July 4, a judge releases the Kalpoe brothers but keeps Joran locked up.

ANTONIO CARIB, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT‘S ATTORNEY: Today he is continuing to maintain his innocence.

WITT: July 25, Natalee‘s family announces a $1 million reward for her safe return.

B. TWITTY: Given the sensitive nature of this case, the person who gives the information will remain anonymous.

WITT: And the very next day two new witnesses come forward. One said he saw Joran Van Der Sloot drive to a local tennis club, trying to hide his face. Immediately, police pump a large pond near the Marriott Hotel, hoping to dig up any clues.

J. TWITTY: It makes me feel better that we‘re bringing in more dogs, more radar equipment, everything. And everybody‘s been down here searching.

WITT: July 28, the other witness takes authorities to a landfill where he claims the 18-year-old‘s body was left.

A month later, on August 26, the police make another big move. The Kalpoe brothers are again under arrest. Another man is also in custody,. Joran Van Der Sloot‘s friend, Freddy Arambatzis.

ELGIN ZEPPENFELDT, ATTORNEY FOR FREDDY ARAMBATZIS: Only in Aruba is this possible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you sure he‘s innocent?

ARAMBATZIS: Of course I am. This is nonsense.

WITT: But then, by the beginning of September, a dramatic turn of events. On September 3 all four suspects in the Natalee Holloway case are released, this after lawyers argued there wasn‘t enough evidence to hold them. Despite media attention, the case goes nowhere.

B. TWITTY: I certainly hope the fight for justice for Natalee has not ended in Aruba, because it‘s just beginning for our home front in the United States.

WITT: Fast forward to February, 2006. Aruban investigators quietly visit the U.S. to reinterview Natalee‘s friends, looking for any clues.

B. TWITTY: I think what they‘re trying to do is just close some holes in some of the statements that they said that some of the students gave.

WITT: February 16, Natalee‘s parents slap Joran Van Der Sloot with a civil lawsuit in New York. The suspect was traveling to the Big Apple to tape a TV interview.

One week later, the Van Der Sloot special airs. The teen once again professes his innocence.

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT‘S ATTORNEY: When he came here after nine months of being called everything from a murder to a rapist to a predator and he came to defend himself.

WITT: Aruban deputy police chief, Gerald Dompig, takes to the airwaves. He say he believes Natalee may have died of a combination of alcohol and drugs.

HOLLOWAY: Natalee did not have any history of using drugs. Not did she use drugs. And none of her friends admitted that.

WITT: Days later, a new investigator officially takes over the Holloway case. Gerald Dompig goes back to his old job.

April 11 a Dutch TV show airs a special re-enactment about Natalee‘s disappearance. It airs in both the Netherlands and Aruba. The program reports getting new tips.

B. TWITTY: The toughest thing for me during this nightmare is when I saw the surveillance tape of Deepak‘s gray Honda. You know, I know that she‘s in there.

WITT: In that same week, yet another arrest. Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt is behind bars for his alleged connection to the Holloway case. He‘s also facing drug charges. He stays locked up for nine days before being released, but police say he remains a suspect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did your client know Natalee Holloway? Did they ever meet? Do you know?

ELINE LOTTER-HOMAN, GEOFFREY VAN CROMVOIRT‘S ATTORNEY: No, they never met.

WITT: May 17 Natalee‘s parents go to court to tell a judge why their civil case against Joran Van Der Sloot should remain in New York.

B. TWITTY: It would be the best chance at Natalee getting justice that we will ever have. And that‘s why we want it here.

WITT: That same guy, 19-year-old Guido Wever is locked up in the Netherlands. The friend of Joran Van Der Sloot faces a return to Aruba for more questioning.

But six days later he‘s also out of jail, leaving the case in limbo.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSBY: And there‘s been no shortage of theories about what happened to Natalee and for her family. They are not ready to give up. We‘ll hear from them right after the break.

And also how “America‘s Most Wanted” is now helping in the case even more. And speaking of most wanted, polygamous cult leader Warren Jeffs. We‘ve got a big update. That‘s coming up next.

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COSBY: We‘ll tune you in just a minute from now.

And more now on the first anniversary of the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. It was one year ago today that the high school senior went out to a bar with friends during a trip to Aruba and then suddenly vanished. Even though no one has been held responsible, “America‘s Most Wanted” is stepping up their effort this weekend, by featuring the Holloway investigation.

Live and direct right now is Natalee‘s father, Dave. And also joining us is reporter Rick Segall with “America‘s Most Wanted”.

You know, Dave—you know, it‘s been a year. Do you have any faith that this is going to be solved still?

HOLLOWAY: Yes, I‘m just about to give up on the Aruban judicial system. But you know, you always think that just right around the corner we‘re going to get the answer. And we‘ve been thinking that for a year now, and I just hope that, you know, if we keep our faith and keep on plugging away that we‘ll get the answers one of these days.

COSBY: How frustrating to you has it been? You and I have talked so many times. Here it is a year later and still no one held responsible.

HOLLOWAY: You know, yesterday I was looking back on the case. And you know, it was Memorial Day weekend. And in fact she disappeared on a Monday, and you know, it‘s kind of deja vu all over again. And we received the call and then made arrangements to go to Aruba.

But one of the things that really stands out in my mind is how the lead investigator initially handled the case. Basically when I met him, he steered us off: “Go to Carlos ‘n‘ Charlie‘s and she‘ll show up, you know, one of these days.” And that never happened, you know, he kind of steered us away from, really, the real meat of the investigation. That was these three suspects, and you know, they had all the time in the world to cover their tracks.

COLMES: You bet. And, you know, that‘s one of the things, Rick, that you‘ve been looking at on “America‘s Most Wanted”. Why did you think it was important to profile it this weekend? Are you hoping maybe you‘ll get some tips, maybe some calls might come in?

RICK SEGALL, “AMERICA‘S MOST WANTED”: You know, watching your time line here, a great time line, over the course of the past year, emotionally exhausting. And we weren‘t even the ones who lived through this. It was Dave and Beth and their families.

We‘re taking a little bit of a different approach this Saturday. Dave and Beth have done an amazing job keeping Natalee‘s case in the spotlight. And I think they would both admit that Beth has sort of been the face for the family here a little bit more than Dave has.

So after talking to both Beth and Dave, we decided that we were going to focus on what it‘s been like as a parent to go through this past year, to do it from Dave‘s perspective, as well as talking about to a classmate who‘s never done any interviews with the media before. She‘s coming forward.

COSBY: Rick—what did—what did that classmate say and why is she finally talking now after all this time, Rick?

SEGALL: She had an awful lot of anxiety and said that the thought of doing it in the past has sort of put her in tears. And she‘s finally at that point, I think, after hearing rumor and speculation, helping us to put some rumors to bed, to set the record straight on exactly when Natalee met Joran, things of that sort to sort of set, as I said, some speculation to rest as well as hoping that by coming out, telling her story perhaps it‘s going to help jog somebody‘s memory and to help the Holloway family.

COSBY: You know, Rick, you guys have covered so many cases, I think better than anybody. And if you look at it today how bungled do you think the cops—you know, that investigated this case in Aruba, how much do you think they messed up the investigation? Is it repairable at this point?

SEGALL: At this point, at the one-year point, you have to look back at all of the missed opportunities, the things that could have been done in the first hours, the first days, the first weeks. And you know, it makes your head reel. But unfortunately, there‘s nothing that can be done about that right now. You have to focus on, as of today, what can be done.

So we‘ve always said at “America‘s Most Wanted” it only takes one tip and getting information out to the right person to provide the tip. In Saturday‘s show we‘re going to be directing people to “Opsvering Versadt” (ph), the Dutch version of “America‘s Most Wanted”. We‘ve got transcripts from their show. We‘ve got clues. We‘ve got information from them we want our viewers to see and take a look at as well. And we‘re still hopeful. Perhaps in a month or so a deep water search can yield more information.

COSBY: In fact, we‘re putting u p—I want to show to our viewers. This is a sketch of one of the guys who exposed himself on the beach to somebody else soon before Natalee disappeared.

You know, Dave, as you hear all this—and let‘s just pray, because “America‘s Most Wanted” gets all these tips that come in. Are you still hopeful that maybe somebody might come forward? Or do you think they would have by now?

And this is also—this is the surveillance video as she left Carlos ‘n‘ Charlie‘s.

Did you hope that someone‘s going to still come forward, or do you think it‘s behind that point?

HOLLOWAY: Well, there‘s always a possibility that someone will come forward. You know, these three guys were the last ones seen with Natalee, and there are still witnesses out there I believe could help us out.

COSBY: Dave, what do you say to people that say it‘s been a year, maybe it‘s time to move on? How do you feel when you hear that?

HOLLOWAY: Well, if you have children you‘ll understand a lot more, that you don‘t give up on your kids. And you‘ll go and keep swinging the bat even if you‘re down and out. You‘ll get back up and look at the picture on the wall or whatever it may be and then go back again after them.

COSBY: You bet. If it was someone I loved, I‘d be fighting the same fight. Dave, thank you very much.

HOLLOWAY: Thank you.

COSBY: And Rick we hope that you get some good results. Please come back and let us know what you‘re getting. Thank you very much.
1,503 posted on 05/31/2006 10:33:00 PM PDT by shebacal
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Link to video of Rita's show May 30th, where video clip of Deepak's car leaving CnC's is played:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8828200/

Natalee Holloway: One Year Later
May 30: One year ago, high school senior Natalee Holloway disappeared without a trace during a trip to Aruba.

WATCH VIDEO

MSNBC TV

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Does anyone have the ability to TIVO this video to capture a picture of Deepak's car leaving CnC's?

1,504 posted on 05/31/2006 10:41:12 PM PDT by shebacal
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To: shebacal

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1,505 posted on 06/01/2006 5:40:37 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: imaketypos

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Family Dinesh Djoegan demands an explanation

ARUBA – Family and friends of Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan submitted a petition with the Public Prosecutor (OM). They are very disappointed that there was no information regarding the investigation on the murder of Pitbull. The 25-year old man was found dead near the Guadirikiri cave in April.

“Every time we call, they tell us that we need to wait. Wait for what? It is already two months ago that Pitbull was murdered and we are in a lot of pain. The pain gets bigger because nobody has been arrested yet”. The first name and signature on the form is of his wife, followed by names of family, friends, and colleagues.

The petitioners want to know how the investigation progresses and what the results are. “We want to know the motive for killing a loving person in such a cruel manner. How can we put him to rest if we do not know anything?”

A woman found the mutilated body of the 25-year old Dinesh Djoegan near the Guadirikiri cave. The body was set on fire. It could be identified thanks to a tattoo he had. The autopsy revealed that he had cocaine in his body.

The prosecutor confirmed having received the petition. The spokesperson of the OM indicated that they wouldn’t comment on the case. “We are in contact with the family of the victim. We won’t give more information.”


1,506 posted on 06/01/2006 10:26:08 AM PDT by imaketypos
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To: imaketypos
The prosecutor confirmed having received the petition. The spokesperson of the OM indicated that they wouldn’t comment on the case

Thanks for the update on this case of torture and murder of 'Pitbull'.

Strange killings happen on Aruba. Then the authorities announce it was "death from natural causes" or "suicide", so the statistics for murder on Aruba are not adversely effected, and tourism won't be harmed. Just the "Aruba way".

1,507 posted on 06/01/2006 11:35:13 AM PDT by shebacal
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To: shebacal

Just one happy little island Sheba .... dontcha know.


1,508 posted on 06/01/2006 12:50:12 PM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: LucyT

That's just plain disgusting. Godless people.
I hope it's true that most Dutch oppose these evil creeps.


1,509 posted on 06/01/2006 12:55:05 PM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)
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To: MAWG
Just one happy little island Sheba .... dontcha know.

Boycott Aruba


1,510 posted on 06/01/2006 1:21:43 PM PDT by shebacal
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To: imaketypos

So typical of Aruba. The family says they are not getting information on the case while the spokesperson for the OM says they are in contact with the family. I notice the spokesperson used the word contact without indicating actually providing the family with information. Nice side step, Aruba.

While I have sympathy for this family, I wonder if they and other Arubans are realizing it can happen to them, too, just as it has for Natalee's family. Will they be told to shut up and go away, too? It's looking that way. Will the Arubans who protested against Beth do the same to this Aruban family? The Aruban citizens had better wake up soon before that hell hole swallows them whole.


1,511 posted on 06/01/2006 1:22:54 PM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)
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To: RGVTx
The Aruban citizens had better wake up soon before that hell hole swallows them whole.

LOL, RGVTx, you are sounding a lot like CO!!

1,512 posted on 06/01/2006 1:56:36 PM PDT by shebacal
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To: shebacal

Thanks! That's a nice compliment, IMO.


1,513 posted on 06/01/2006 2:07:24 PM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)
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To: RGVTx

The Aruban citizens had better wake up soon before that hell hole swallows them whole.

It looks like the only thing that will wake them up is when the hotels are empty, and they have no work.


1,514 posted on 06/01/2006 2:22:12 PM PDT by imaketypos (Meticulous police work takes time, You can’t just go in there like a cowboy)
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To: MAWG

Well I'd like to be part of making it One very UNhappy little Island. It's a corrupt third world cesspool. This is the same Island that threatened to "cut Beth up in little pices"!! Yeah, they have BIG UGLY things to hide.


1,515 posted on 06/01/2006 3:13:27 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)
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To: RGVTx

RG, the Dutch are everything that a Society does NOT want to become!! That society is on a grease pole to Hell.


1,516 posted on 06/01/2006 3:15:14 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)
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To: RGVTx

LOL I was just going to ask Sheba if that was a compliment!! Not everyone appreciates my passion. (awwwwww)


1,517 posted on 06/01/2006 3:19:35 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)
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To: imaketypos

Hellooooooo!! Where are y'all????


1,518 posted on 06/01/2006 5:18:21 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)
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To: Abigail Adams

bookmark for later


1,519 posted on 06/01/2006 6:01:49 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Canadian Outrage

Right here, as always.


1,520 posted on 06/01/2006 6:12:59 PM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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