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Saddam's WMD and terrorist connections all proven in one document!!!
Ray Robison Blog ^ | March 20, 2006 | Ray Robison

Posted on 03/21/2006 9:59:48 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Saddam's WMD and terrorist connections all proven in one document!!!

IZSP-2003-00003336

The Arabic original shows the Falcon emblem of the Iraq Intelligence Service. A translation is provided if you scroll down. I highlight the key wording but there is more:

March 11, 2003

The al-Quds liberation army division supplied us with information....as follows.

1. The Iraqi government will distribute the same leaflets that the American forces are distributing but it will contain anthrax.

2. Iraq imports uniforms resembling American forces uniforms for the purpose of killing Iraqi citizens....

3. Dig trenches around Baghdad...oil...burning...cause mayhem

Now this letter is from al-Quds, a Jihad organization that supports the Palestinians. Saddam was the patriarch and Iraq officers worked closely with them.

IZSP-2003-00000859  also talks about the al-Quds Basra division. This is a a letter from a paramilitary organization INSIDE Iraq and not from Palestinian territories. The al-Quds in Iraq are Palestinians who live in Iraq and also are involved in Palestinian activities.  They fought for Saddam because Saddam supported them in Palestine. The officers were Iraqi.

The al-Quds are covering their own butts by telling the IIS what they have been ordered to do or even trying to get them to stop Saddam since the war is immanent. If Saddam wanted to kill Iraqis with anthrax to make it look like the U.S. did it, it would be wise for him to use Palestinians instead of Iraqis. Therefor, it makes sense that he ordered the al-Quds to do it.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: alquds; anthrax; iraq; iraqdocs; iraqiintelligence; izsp200300000859; onfreep; palestinians; prewardocs; saddam; sawa; wmd
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Lots of work required to cloud the issues.


41 posted on 03/21/2006 2:14:17 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Most excellent Ernest, proves what we already know... we have to get it out.

I'm in the process of going through the old threads and links I have, feel free to cross check names as they come up.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1470208/posts

Will send more later... and we have to restart a new thread to put all our links together... from Clinton or even before... up to now.

Thanks again, Robinson is great.


42 posted on 03/21/2006 2:57:59 PM PST by AliVeritas (“Pacifism is objectively pro-Islamo-Fascist.”)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hey Did you see this document jveritas translated?

Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 (Translation)

43 posted on 03/21/2006 3:48:26 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: eyespysomething

Bump!


44 posted on 03/21/2006 5:55:12 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Kimberly GG
"I've already had people reply to my posts (on other sites) regarding these documents quote the disclaimer back at me "The US Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available." I get that thrown at me repeatedly!"

Every time someone throws this at you, repeat the first seven words. "The US Government has made NO determination". Then tell them that no does not mean the government has made a negative determination, but has made NO determination.

45 posted on 03/21/2006 6:18:36 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

Ironic that the people who hate the US government, are the same ones who refuse to acknowledge documents unless they are authenticated by the US Government (which they hate).


46 posted on 03/22/2006 12:56:28 AM PST by syriacus (Would fewer Americans have died in Iraq if the French and Germans had helped depose Saddam?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bttt


47 posted on 03/22/2006 12:58:17 AM PST by nopardons
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

"Every time someone throws this at you, repeat the first seven words. "The US Government has made NO determination". Then tell them that no does not mean the government has made a negative determination, but has made NO determination."

thanks......good catch...I can be a bit slow on the draw these days!


48 posted on 03/22/2006 7:05:01 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: syriacus

"Ironic that the people who hate the US government, are the same ones who refuse to acknowledge documents unless they are authenticated by the US Government (which they hate)."

You are right. I hadn't thought of it that way.


49 posted on 03/22/2006 4:44:19 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Kimberly GG

"thanks......good catch...I can be a bit slow on the draw these days!"

Your welcome. One of the big reasons I come here is to consider other people's ideas. I don't always agree with anyone, but I do consider ideas.


50 posted on 03/22/2006 4:45:41 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Kimberly GG
He constantly keeps repeating that 'even Saddam's deputies/lieutenants were shocked to find out there really were NO wmds.

It is well known that Saddam's surrounded himself with circles within circles of trusted advisors. There were only a handful of people who he acknowledged WMD with. For an excellent example of this read find and read the following document ISGQ-2003-M0004665 . Saddam begins a frank and honest discussion that moves from geopolitics to WMD and sanctions. Present are Male 1-Saddam, Male 2-Tariq, Male 3-Unknown). Then halfway through the meeting, Males 4,5,6 join and the entire discussion changes. With Male 4,5,6 present, nonone admits that WMD were made. Here are some examples from the WMD admissions in the 'open' part of the discussion.

Male 2 (Comrade Tariq)
The main obstacle is the biological file. How did this issue progress? They themselves closed the biological file. They closed it before they found out about the complete deal for the materials. They said we see the remaining quantity, 14 or 15, Lt Gen ‘Amir knows the numbers, and they didn’t see a problem. I know our comrades worked very hard after 1991, they worked 26 hours in a 24hour period. They erased everything.

So they were concentrating their efforts on the biological issue, and it’s a small program compared to the chemical, missile and nuclear programs. And the Special Committee’s capabilities turned out to be even smaller than our program. Meaning their experts and equipment and capabilities are too small to deal with the Iraqi program in such a short period of time.
So they closed it and weren’t talking about it. But when they found out about the materials that we bought, they opened their eyes and…

Male 1 (saddam)
But they could find out about these materials fasters than the other things that they discovered, because we bought them from the west…

Male 2 (Comrade Tariq)
True Sir, but the information that came to the Special Committee didn’t all come at the same time. They get some information, then a little more, and so on and so forth. So it looks like they got the information in the fall of last year. At the same time as the Kuwait issue and the crisis that happened then, Ekeus came and emphasized it. Right now Sir, this is a meeting of the highest leadership in our country, we did actually produce biological weapons. It’s not a lie to say that we worked in this field. And the materials that came here came for this purpose, not for the medical use like we told the Special Committee. So when there’s proof, you are a man of law, when there’s a case in a court, and there’s proof, it leads to the conclusion. So the conclusion that the Special Committee came to is correct, it’s not a lie. The conclusion said that you imported a large quantity of materials that are used for medical purposes, and at the same time they are raw materials to produce biological weapons. You said it’s for medical purposes, using it for medical purposes only requires kilograms not tons. Meaning that the Ministry of Health can use 200 kilograms the entire year for examinations, but it doesn’t use 37 tons. We tried to tell them about mistakes that could happen, and how Health Ministers…

They see two issues sir, they see some very efficient and accurate actions from us, and they see some mistakes. But when we exaggerate the mistake, they’ll say: you guys are efficient and accurate, know exactly how to work a machine, you were able to establish this big military program with little resources, nobody helped you, but you want us to believe that buying 37 tons was by mistake?

They you have it. Admission in front of Saddam that 'we did actually produce biological weapons'. Also note that before he stated that, he also stated the following, 'this is a meeting of the highest leadership in our country'. Wonder who Male 3 was ?

51 posted on 03/23/2006 5:22:33 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Slight correction. Replace 'With Male 4,5,6 present, nonone admits that WMD were made.' to 'With Male 4,5,6 present, noone admitted any WMD beyond what the UN already knew.'

BTW - Males 4,5,6 may have included the Information Minister and the Foriegn Minister.

52 posted on 03/23/2006 5:35:57 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
And just to rub salt in George Clooney's wounds.

Thats V for Vindication !

ps - The 'open' geopolitical discussion at the beginning of that docement is fascinating.

53 posted on 03/23/2006 5:37:54 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Please note - Jveritas has discovered that Line 1 in the english field translation for this document is incorrect. Dont know what you want to do about. Perhaps just delete line 1 and any posts or info specifically related to line 1. You might want to contact the blogger that posted this document.


54 posted on 03/28/2006 11:17:33 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Is this the line?

1. The Iraqi government will distribute the same leaflets that the American forces are distributing but it will contain anthrax.

55 posted on 03/29/2006 9:35:46 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: All
Jveritas 's Blog:

JVERITAS - TRANSLATING THE IRAQ DOCUMENTS

Checking the Ray Robinson Blog:

Germans learn from Chinese that Iraq WMD to Syria

56 posted on 03/29/2006 9:39:42 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: All
Ignore that second link just above ,,,post #56,.....

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57 posted on 03/29/2006 9:51:35 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: justa-hairyape
Starting to get mu confusion straightened out......From JVERITAS - TRANSLATING THE IRAQ DOCUMENTS Blog

: Tuesday, March 28, 2006

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006

Sorry all, I posted a translation which had been done by someone other than jveritas, and had not been reviewed for accuracy. I pulled the incorrect translation.

As per jveritas:

There is a major problem with the original translation of the document by whoever translated, in fact the English translation was attached to the original pdf posted on the Pentagon site together with the Arabic text and the translation was not accurate in the first sentence and hence it is causing major misunderstanding by whoever is reading it. This is basically an Iraq intelligence report talking about what Radio SAWA (Pro US radio in the Middle East) is reporting about Iraqi are going to use leaflets with Antrax and such, it was not an order to the Iraqi army to do so as it is has been interpreted by many.

58 posted on 03/29/2006 9:55:16 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: justa-hairyape; jveritas; nopardons; eyespysomething; AliVeritas; Marine_Uncle; ...
Hattip to justa-hairyape for the alert to me.....and now for the Grand Award to

jveritas

Now he is not only doing translations of the documents ,,,,,he is correcting some of the translations done by others prior to his seeing them .

Way to go JV!!!!

59 posted on 03/29/2006 10:02:44 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes, but in the MSM's (and Democrats') eyes, anthrax is not a WMD. A WMD is a nuclear-tipped missile aimed at Paris, and nothing short of finding a hidden ICBM site full of them is going to get them to stop spinning.


60 posted on 03/29/2006 10:05:17 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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