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Living with humans has taught dogs morals, say scientists
The Daily Mail UK ^ | 21st August 2008 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 08/21/2008 6:11:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Dogs are becoming more intelligent and are even learning morals from human contact, scientists claim.

They say the fact that dogs' play rarely escalates into a fight shows the animals abide by social rules.

During one study, dogs which held up a paw were rewarded with a food treat.

When a lone dog was asked to raise its paw but received no treat, the researchers found it begged for up to 30 minutes.

But when they tested two dogs together but rewarded only one, the dog which missed out soon stopped playing the game.

Dr Friederike Range, of the University of Vienna, who led the study, said: 'Dogs show a strong aversion to inequity. I would prefer not to call it a sense of fairness, but others might.'

The first Canine Science Forum in Budapest was attended by more than 200 experts to discuss what is going on inside the mind of a dog.

Human's inclination to invest dogs with human-like states of mind isn't as unscientific as it might appear as they really do have some remarkable mental skills that allow them to thrive in their strange habitat - our world.

Domestic dogs evolved from grey wolves as recently as 10,000 years ago since when their brains have shrunk so a wolf-sized dog has a brain around 10 per cent smaller than its wild ancestor.

Dr Peter Pongracz from Eotvos Lorand University, Budapest, and colleagues have produced evidence dog barks contain information that people can understand.

They found even people who have never owned a dog can recognise the emotional 'meaning' of barks produced in various situations, such as when playing, left alone and confronted by a stranger.

His team has now developed a computer program that can aggregate hundreds of barks recorded in various settings and boil them

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 08/21/2008 6:11:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

does this mean that there is hope for liberals?


2 posted on 08/21/2008 6:13:41 AM PDT by machogirl
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To: Alex Murphy; Jersey Republican Biker Chick

I know living with a dog has taught me to eat my own feces.


3 posted on 08/21/2008 6:16:14 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

As long as you don’t start sniffing strangers asses, we’re ok.


4 posted on 08/21/2008 6:18:14 AM PDT by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I always thought it was the other way around.


5 posted on 08/21/2008 6:18:51 AM PDT by WayneS (And now I shall return to my hovel and cling to my guns ... until it is time to go to Church)
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To: Owl_Eagle

My dog taught me how to wrestle. Sometimes I even win.


6 posted on 08/21/2008 6:19:41 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: Owl_Eagle

Being able to do that might mean the difference between life and death once “The Bad Times” come... on or about late January 2009.

That and having a lot of ammo on hand...

;^)


7 posted on 08/21/2008 6:21:12 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: tuffydoodle

Or eating STRANGERS” feces...


8 posted on 08/21/2008 6:21:42 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I learned the joys of whizzing outdoors. I was then arrested. :/


9 posted on 08/21/2008 6:24:16 AM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: Alex Murphy

” ... dog barks contain information that people can understand.

They found even people who have never owned a dog can recognise the emotional ‘meaning’ of barks produced in various situations, such as when playing, left alone and confronted by a stranger. “

It took a study to figure this out?!?!??? OMG that is basic dog ownership 101.

I can even ‘speak’ to our Sheltie imitating her own barks/growls/snarls/etc.

I can even tell who’s come home [which family member] by the bark.


10 posted on 08/21/2008 6:24:37 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Alex Murphy

my brother learned how to lick his balls.


11 posted on 08/21/2008 6:25:35 AM PDT by palomonte
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To: Alex Murphy

Dogs are the greatest.


12 posted on 08/21/2008 6:26:23 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Alex Murphy
"'Dogs show a strong aversion to inequity. I would prefer not to call it a sense of fairness, but others might.'"

It's called 'pack psychology' and it's been around a lot longer than humans.

13 posted on 08/21/2008 6:26:35 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Alex Murphy

Dogs are pack animals. By definition, a social hierarchy. I don’t think it can be related to “morals.”

I have to constantly remind my wife of this. She let’s our Boston Terrier “boss” her around and be dominate. Big mistake with a dog. The dog won’t listen to her at all or obey any command.

I walk in the room, snap my finger and point at the ground. The dog will immediately stop and sit down and stay until I tell it is OK to proceed.


14 posted on 08/21/2008 6:26:46 AM PDT by IamConservative (On 11/4, remember 9/11...)
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To: machogirl

No.

Dogs have larger brains.


15 posted on 08/21/2008 6:27:33 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“learning morals”
Interesting.
This must mean that there are morals. But I thought that there were no morals [liberal dogma]. That humans are no higher than dogs! [liberal dogma].

I’m confused.


16 posted on 08/21/2008 6:28:07 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: palomonte

His own or the dog’s?


17 posted on 08/21/2008 6:32:51 AM PDT by WayneS (And now I shall return to my hovel and cling to my guns ... until it is time to go to Church)
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To: Alex Murphy

Is sniffing everyone’s butt immoral? Because they haven’t learned about that yet apparently.


18 posted on 08/21/2008 6:34:01 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: WayneS

“His own or the dog’s?”

hahahahahhaha good one.


19 posted on 08/21/2008 6:34:25 AM PDT by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Blueflag
I can even tell who’s come home [which family member] by the bark.

I don't doubt that a bit. I also know that our dogs can distinguish when it's one of our cars from as far as a block away.

20 posted on 08/21/2008 6:38:11 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl
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To: WayneS

both


21 posted on 08/21/2008 6:38:16 AM PDT by palomonte
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To: ovrtaxt

Was that wrong? Because, when I came to live here, no one told me that I shouldn’t walk around sniffing everyone’s butt!


22 posted on 08/21/2008 6:39:13 AM PDT by WayneS (...with apologies to the writers of Seinfeld.)
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To: IamConservative
"She let’s our Boston Terrier “boss” her around and be dominate. Big mistake with a dog"

My wife is the same way with her dog, she let's her dog run all over her, does not disipline, spoils the dog rotten. Hence, her dog whines, does not mind her commands, just rotten to try to work with.

I have worked with my dog, taught her some simple commands and she minds very well, does not mind, won't beg and behaves well around company.

Dogs are animals, loveable animals, but they are just animals.
23 posted on 08/21/2008 6:40:28 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Just say NO... to Hillary and O'Bama)
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To: Alex Murphy

My dog begs for handouts constantly. I picked up on that and now I am a democrat.


24 posted on 08/21/2008 6:50:52 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Alex Murphy; Slings and Arrows; martin_fierro

There’s some funny stuff here.


25 posted on 08/21/2008 6:52:50 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
I know living with a dog has taught me to eat my own feces.

I can lick my own ... elbow.

26 posted on 08/21/2008 7:07:02 AM PDT by martin_fierro (2 =^..^= =^..^= day)
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To: BooksForTheRight.com
This must mean that there are morals. But I thought that there were no morals [liberal dogma]. That humans are no higher than dogs! [liberal dogma].

Actually, it's not well known, but everything Al Gore knows, he learned from his doby. In fact, dogs started the entire environmental movement, which just goes to show how much more moral they are. The social patriarchy that cuts off humans from Gaia does not exist for dogs--so they are naturally attuned to her vibrations.

To prove this, try the following experiment sometime. Drop some trash--say an old plate with grease on it--on the ground. Your dog will immediately sense the disturbance in Gaia's vibrations and pick it up with his mouth.

27 posted on 08/21/2008 7:19:39 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ovrtaxt; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...
If dogs can learn morals, does that mean there's hope for Democrats?


28 posted on 08/21/2008 7:39:45 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~ [Shipping and handling charges may apply.])
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To: Alex Murphy

Excellent article, please PING over to Hair of a dog, this is of interest. =^..^=


29 posted on 08/21/2008 8:06:06 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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To: Slings and Arrows

....As the saying goes “You can teach an old dog new tricks”. =^..^=


30 posted on 08/21/2008 8:07:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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To: Alex Murphy

A saint of a dog. =^..^=


31 posted on 08/21/2008 8:08:03 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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To: Slings and Arrows
If dogs can learn morals, does that mean there's hope for Democrats?

Dogs are smarter than Democrats.

32 posted on 08/21/2008 8:15:49 AM PDT by Allegra (It's above my pay grade.)
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To: Allegra
Dogs are smarter than Democrats.

I dunno - in Chicago they vote for the same candidates.

33 posted on 08/21/2008 8:20:37 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~ [Shipping and handling charges may apply.])
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To: ovrtaxt; onedoug; stylecouncilor

LOL


34 posted on 08/21/2008 9:08:37 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: Alex Murphy
The first Canine Science Forum in Budapest was attended by more than 200 experts to discuss what is going on inside the mind of a dog.

FOOD FOOD FOOD FOOD SQUIRREL!FOOD FOOD FOOD CAT!FOOD FOOD WHAT'S THIS THING ON MY BUTT? FOOD FOOD FOOD

There. Just send all the research money you just saved to me.

35 posted on 08/21/2008 9:09:19 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Come then, War! With hearts elated to thy standard we will fly!)
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To: Alex Murphy

L

36 posted on 08/21/2008 9:13:27 AM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

LOL bttt


37 posted on 08/21/2008 9:22:22 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving a Phase-2 Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber!)
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To: windcliff

And cats just get wilder.


38 posted on 08/21/2008 9:36:52 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: HairOfTheDog

Woof!


39 posted on 08/21/2008 10:46:13 AM PDT by CSM (Hey if a small tax increase didn't work, a bigger tax increase should not work even BETTER!)
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To: tpanther; valkyry1; GodGunsGuts; MrB; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; ...

For your reading enjoyment.

And evos wonder why people don’t take scientists seriously.


40 posted on 08/21/2008 2:21:33 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

The lefties and evos probably think this elevates dogs

when all it really does is devalue humans.


41 posted on 08/21/2008 2:22:52 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

//when all it really does is devalue humans//

Maybe thats the underlying point.


42 posted on 08/21/2008 2:38:17 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Alex Murphy
Dr Peter Pongracz from Eotvos Lorand University, Budapest, and colleagues have produced evidence dog barks contain information that people can understand.


43 posted on 08/21/2008 2:38:56 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: metmom
For your reading enjoyment:

Living with humans has taught dogs morals, say scientists

Wha......are they f'ing retarded or something? Thanks for the ping, but I'm not really interested in reading nonsense like this.

44 posted on 08/21/2008 7:00:57 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense

Like I said.....

And evos wonder why people don’t take scientists seriously.


45 posted on 08/21/2008 7:03:06 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ZULU

Every one wonders why dogs pee on car tires.
If you had a dog’s nose, it would be like a dotted line
right back home.

I’ve heard it said that if a man could suddenly smell as much as a dog it would drive him insane.
Imagine, you’d know when every female in the neighborhood was in heat.


46 posted on 08/21/2008 7:10:53 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: palomonte
my brother learned how to lick his balls.

Do y'all make sure he gets some food once in a while?

47 posted on 08/21/2008 7:16:48 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: WayneS

“That and having a lot of ammo on hand...”

Now if you could train your dog to police up you brass...


48 posted on 08/21/2008 7:29:12 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Alex Murphy
I have a Golden retriever & I was buying a large bag of Purina at Wal-Mart and was in line to check out. A woman behind me asked if I had a dog. On impulse, I told her that no, I was starting The Purina Diet again, although I probably shouldn't because I'd ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms.

I told her that it was essentially a perfect diet and that the way that it works is to load your pants pockets with Purina nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry & that the food is nutritionally complete so I was going to try it again.

I have to mention here that practically everyone in the line was by now enthralled with my story, particularly a guy who was behind her. Horrified, she asked if I'd ended up in the hospital in that condition because I had been poisoned. I told her no; it was because I'd been sitting in the street licking my gonads and a car hit me.

I thought one guy was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard as he staggered out the door.

49 posted on 08/21/2008 7:40:41 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

I tried that story once, with ‘chased a car and ran into a bus stop sign’ at the end.


50 posted on 08/21/2008 7:46:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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