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Dog: Man's Best Friend for Over 33,000 Years (Oldest Known Evidence of Dog Domestication)
FoxNews.com ^ | January 24, 2012 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 02/05/2012 8:24:42 AM PST by DogByte6RER

Dog: man's best friend for over 33,000 years

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He's been man's best friend for generations.

An ancient dog skull found in Siberia and dating back 33,000 years presents some of the oldest known evidence of dog domestication.

When combined with a similar find in Belgium, the two skulls indicate that the domestication of dogs by humans occurred repeatedly throughout early human history at different geographic locations -- rather than at a single domestication event, as previously believed.

"Both the Belgian find and the Siberian find are domesticated species based on morphological characteristics," said Greg Hodgins, a researcher at the University of Arizona's Accelerator Mass Spectrometry Laboratory and co-author of a study reporting the find.

"Essentially, wolves have long thin snouts and their teeth are not crowded, and domestication results in this shortening of the snout and widening of the jaws and crowding of the teeth."

The Altai Mountain skull is extraordinarily well preserved, Hodgins said, enabling scientists to make multiple measurements of the skull, teeth and mandibles that might not be possible on less well-preserved remains. "The argument that it is domesticated is pretty solid," he said. "What's interesting is that it doesn't appear to be an ancestor of modern dogs."

At 33,000 years old, neither the Belgian nor the Siberian domesticated lineages appear to have survived earth's last ice age. Still, they show, just how far back our special relationship with our canine companions goes, Hodgins said.

"The interesting thing is that typically we think of domestication as being cows, sheep and goats, things that produce food through meat or secondary agricultural products such as milk, cheese and wool and things like that," he said.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; archaeology; bc; beforechrist; canid; canine; dog; doggieping; dogs; domestication; fido; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; k9; mansbestfriend; siberia
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Figure 1. The Razboinichya canid.

A) aerial view, B) profile, C) palate, D) left mandible, E) left lower tooth row (scale on ruler in cm). Sub-triangular hole in the skull is the place of initial sampling for 14C dating in 2007.

1 posted on 02/05/2012 8:24:52 AM PST by DogByte6RER
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More backgroound info:

A 33,000-Year-Old Incipient Dog from the Altai Mountains of Siberia: Evidence of the Earliest Domestication Disrupted by the Last Glacial Maximum

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0022821#s5


2 posted on 02/05/2012 8:26:49 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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Photobucket University of Arizona physicist Greg Hodgins awaits results from the accelerator mass spectrometer. Credit: D. Stolte/UANews
3 posted on 02/05/2012 8:28:15 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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Some more write-up:

Dog skull dates back 33,000 years

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-dog-skull-dates-years.html


4 posted on 02/05/2012 8:29:19 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: Joe 6-pack

Ping?


5 posted on 02/05/2012 8:30:30 AM PST by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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I have to give a plug for our Maltipoo puppy, who relishes chasing his tail around in circles as shown on this YouTube clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPDlRKNwx1g


6 posted on 02/05/2012 8:31:17 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


7 posted on 02/05/2012 8:31:38 AM PST by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: SunkenCiv

ggg related stuff, maybe

ping


8 posted on 02/05/2012 8:32:19 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
Bowser is lord of his domain.

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9 posted on 02/05/2012 8:54:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DogByte6RER

No, dog domesticated man.


10 posted on 02/05/2012 9:10:23 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: DogByte6RER
WOOOF!

The Doggie Ping list is for FReepers who would like to be notified of threads relating to all things canid. If you would like to join the Doggie Ping Pack (or be unleashed from it), FReemail me.

11 posted on 02/05/2012 9:24:32 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DogByte6RER

A picture of man's best friend....and a dog, too.

12 posted on 02/05/2012 9:37:39 AM PST by Krankor (It's time you started thinking inside your head, that you should you stand up and fight.)
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To: bgill
The Turkey appears to have self-domesticated.

Now, over with that part, the writer seems to believe that early man (in the Paleolothic) didn't think of dogs as food items.

How strange. Of course they are food, and a very good food at that. You can call and whistle for one of your small dogs and he'll run and jump right up in your arms where you can begin the slaughter without a further word.

Even cows don't do that!

13 posted on 02/05/2012 9:45:56 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: DogByte6RER

They say a dog is man’s best friend. If you spell dog backwards you get God.


14 posted on 02/05/2012 9:52:24 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: bgill

My 85lb. Pitador and 95 lb. Great Dane agree with you. Just look at all the free services and goodies they get out of us.


15 posted on 02/05/2012 9:52:42 AM PST by libstripper
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To: DogByte6RER
To: DogByte6RER

There’s also genetic evidence man domesticted the dog 100,000 years ago: http://www.workingdogweb.com/DogOrigins.htm.

If true it would mean man and dog literally evolved together. It’s no wonder they play us like violins.

Obie Wan has been my faithful companion for 7 years. He protects me day and night and is better company than most humans I know.Photobucket




16 posted on 02/05/2012 9:55:13 AM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: DogByte6RER
The Altai Mountain skull

Among the people who may have emerged from the Altai region are the predecessors of the first Native Americans.

17 posted on 02/05/2012 9:55:45 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: DogByte6RER

Adam and Eve packed up their stuff, dog in tow, and left the garden.


18 posted on 02/05/2012 10:10:26 AM PST by pallis
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To: DogByte6RER
A NatGeo special a few years back put it at 5,000 years as did the vast majority of the little real science of the issue.

I believe most of us dog owners knew intuitively that 5,000 years had to be wrong.

It's like knowing, intuitively that man had language, tools, shelter etc. more that 5,000 years.

It's arguable that dogs enabled man to truly civilize and subdue the planet.

Before them we had no eyes, ears or noses. We were too slow.

With them we became the Alpha Predator and were no longer prey to any beast.

A fundamental transition point in human development.

19 posted on 02/05/2012 10:10:38 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
"A fundamental transition point in human development".

Oh, and fundamental to canine development as well. It was and has been a synergistic association.

Dogs got food, warmth and protection too.

And music.

And BACON! :)

20 posted on 02/05/2012 10:30:19 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I get a kick out of how my dogs have to do absolutely nothing, sleep on a $2000 mattress, and are kept warm or cool while we go out and work for them. They owe the hard work of their ancestors a lot - but then again, we owe ours a lot, too.


21 posted on 02/05/2012 10:37:44 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Krankor

Check out the video on this link:

Out for a walk with 42 Saint Bernard dogs (YouTube)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2842733/posts


22 posted on 02/05/2012 10:42:16 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Ha! I’ve already commented on it!


23 posted on 02/05/2012 10:45:16 AM PST by Krankor (It's time you started thinking inside your head, that you should you stand up and fight.)
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To: Krankor

There are dogs and there are bulldogs.
http://www.punjabigraphics.com/animals/images/11/american-bulldog3.jpg


24 posted on 02/05/2012 10:52:40 AM PST by tumblindice (No Romney, no way, no how)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you’d like to be on or off this Outdoors/Rural/wildlife/hunting/hiking/backpacking/National Parks/animals list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.
25 posted on 02/05/2012 11:25:54 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims¬óDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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All contributions are for the Current Quarter Expenses.


26 posted on 02/05/2012 11:34:07 AM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: DogByte6RER

27 posted on 02/05/2012 12:00:42 PM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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Domestication couldn’t have been that long ago, I couldn’t find any early Helen Thomas pictures with a dog.


28 posted on 02/05/2012 12:22:06 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average In the US the number is 54%)
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To: DogByte6RER

It’s like a herd of slobbering furry cattle!


29 posted on 02/05/2012 1:37:09 PM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: SJackson

I thought duct tape was man’s best friend.


30 posted on 02/05/2012 1:58:14 PM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: DogByte6RER
Dog: Man's Best Friend for Over 33,000 Years

Shore, Shirley! The Earth is 6,245 years old (last October), and dogs are 27,000 years older!

31 posted on 02/05/2012 2:02:27 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: DogByte6RER

“Essentially, wolves have long thin snouts and their teeth are not crowded, and domestication results in this shortening of the snout and widening of the jaws and crowding of the teeth.”

Much as I believe dog domestication is very ancient (older than 33k bp), this statement is simply not true. There are wolf studies showing these characteristics in the wild.


32 posted on 02/05/2012 2:09:45 PM PST by Varda
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To: Varda
....this statement is simply not true.

Hey, this is a "news" story based on a "scientific" study.

Do you REALLY expect facts along with the entertainment-oblique-stroke-BS?

...even from FOX?

33 posted on 02/06/2012 8:43:10 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet ((348 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: DogByte6RER; Silentgypsy; blam

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Note: this topic is dated January 24, 2012.

Blast from the Past.

Somehow I missed your pings. Thanks DogByte6RER and Silentgypsy.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


34 posted on 03/03/2013 6:18:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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