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Try, try and try again: why did modern humans take so long to settle in Europe?
Guardian UK ^ | 14 November 2021 | Robin McKie

Posted on 11/16/2021 7:53:41 PM PST by blueplum

...Neanderthals in Europe were one of the last hominin species to succumb, dying out around 39,000 years ago. However, recent studies – outlined at a meeting of the European Society for the study of Human Evolution earlier this year – have shown that this takeover by Homo sapiens was not straightforward. On several occasions, groups of early settlers perished as they moved into the continent...

...In one study, international researchers re-examined a partial skull and skeleton of a woman found in the Zlatý Kůň cave in the Czech Republic. Originally thought to have been 15,000 years old, this new analysis indicated it was probably at least 45,000 years old, making her one of the oldest members of Homo sapiens found in Europe. However, the study also found she shared no genetic continuity with modern Europeans.

Other sites where early modern human remains from around this period have been found include Peștera cu Oase in Romania and Bacho Kiro cave in Bulgaria. And again, neither has produced genetic profiles that left a significant trace in Europe.

The discovery of these lost outposts of modern human expansion suggests that Homo sapiens dispersed into Europe in pulses, and raises critical questions for scientists. In particular, why did modern humans’ later forays into Europe succeed when earlier ones failed?

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Science
KEYWORDS: anthropology; europe; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; history; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; outofafrica
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1 posted on 11/16/2021 7:53:41 PM PST by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Global climate Change


2 posted on 11/16/2021 7:56:50 PM PST by algore ( )
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To: blueplum

Even then no one could stand the French.


3 posted on 11/16/2021 8:01:00 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The democrats have just replaced KKK with CRT. /Kevin McCarty 7/6/21)
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To: blueplum

Pure speculation. Hogwash......


4 posted on 11/16/2021 8:02:45 PM PST by Fungi
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Democrats kept stealing the elections.


5 posted on 11/16/2021 8:02:47 PM PST by BipolarBob (I thought growing old would take longer.)
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To: blueplum

Maybe it was the taxes. The Eurotrash Neanderthals were literally demanding an arm and a leg.


6 posted on 11/16/2021 8:03:37 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: algore

COVID-45000


7 posted on 11/16/2021 8:03:44 PM PST by decal (MOLON JABE)
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hey!! They went to college to learn how to spew hogwash convincingly.


8 posted on 11/16/2021 8:03:48 PM PST by BipolarBob (I thought growing old would take longer.)
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To: blueplum

Uhhh... the mile deep Glaciers?


9 posted on 11/16/2021 8:10:31 PM PST by UNGN
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maybe winter had something to do with it? Look at modern Europeans. Then look at those who stayed around the equator and coast lines. I think you will see that there were thousands of years of adaptations, We are bigger. We are whiter. And we are smarter. And lastly we are more communal.

Europe was quite warm before it became a sheet of ice. There are hippo and hyena skeletons unearthed in England. But winters and sparse sunlight made us adapt more to survive. We first left Africa 60,000 years ago. There were still ice sheets over Europe and neanderthals 20,000 years ago. We are not hairy. Cold weather is tough for us.


10 posted on 11/16/2021 8:10:43 PM PST by poinq
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They hadn’t learned to be oppressors yet.

According to Critical Neanderthal Theory...


11 posted on 11/16/2021 8:19:03 PM PST by Adder (Proud member of the FJB/LGB community.)
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Each species adapted to the environment. The species most adept became dominate. There was an ice age you know and it was ending, thus the most adept became dominant but they did interbred and thus became the superior species of both.

That new species is us.


12 posted on 11/16/2021 8:22:57 PM PST by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER DECKHAND ROUGHNECK OILFIELD-TECH CONSULTANT GEOLOGIST PHARMACIST )
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Herds of elephant skeletons in the Colorado mountains prove the World much warmer/greener 60,000 years ago than today, but then the ice came, like it always does.


13 posted on 11/16/2021 8:24:09 PM PST by UNGN
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why did modern humans’ later forays into Europe succeed when earlier ones failed?

The ice age ended.
14 posted on 11/16/2021 8:24:19 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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bookmark


15 posted on 11/16/2021 8:31:48 PM PST by GOP Poet (Super cool you can change your tag line EVERYTIME you post!! :D. (Small things make me happy))
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I think you have it - sudden cold shifts in southern europe created dry steppes inhospitable to humans (and wildlife) which also made humans sitting ducks for alpha predators. Warm shifts brought ability to move north ....then just when things were looking great, it got cold again.

“The cold, arid phases show up in pollen records in both northern and southern Europe as sudden decreases in the percentage of tree pollen, and an influx of plants indicating cold, dry semi-desert or dry steppe conditions”
https://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/gen/nercEUROPE.html


16 posted on 11/16/2021 8:50:41 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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Try, try and try again: why did modern humans take so long to settle in Europe?

Incredibly small apartments, tiny restaurant portions, utter lack of parking, and bidets.

Regards,

17 posted on 11/16/2021 9:12:09 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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You’ll take my Toto Washlet from my cold dead fingers. There are good reasons the Japanese look upon us as being savages for not having them everywhere.


18 posted on 11/16/2021 9:28:19 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


19 posted on 11/16/2021 10:57:07 PM PST by SteveH (.)
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To: poinq

We first left Africa 60,000 years ago. There were still ice sheets over Europe and neanderthals 20,000 years ago. We are not hairy. Cold weather is tough for us


There are sites all over South America, Mexico and even one in California that date back 300,000-190,000 years. Modern Humans date back 300,000 years. Humans waiting 140,000 years to leave Africa is hard to believe, and does not explain who made those sites.

Neanderthals died out in Europe 39,000 years ago, but persisted in the ME until 20,000 years ago. Neanderthals were not hairy either, as far as we know.

Neanderthal sites are below the ice sheets were it was warmer (contrary to TV portrayals). Most likely settlements were along natural harbors, river mouths - now hundreds of feet below ocean level today. There is no telling what it was actually like in those days because so much information is either missing, gone or inaccessible. Fortunately, underwater archeology is gaining credence and funds, so one day we may know much more than we do now - which is mostly speculation, assumptions and consensus thinking, a picture puzzle with most of the pieces missing.


20 posted on 11/17/2021 4:27:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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