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Scientists Resurrecting The Woolly Mammoth Are Crazy, Not ‘Cool’
The Federalist ^ | 02/19/2024 | Nathan Stone

Posted on 02/19/2024 7:02:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Ask why, exactly, we need to bring woolly mammoths back to life after 4,000 years, and the answers become numerous and hideously predictable.

To paraphrase Jeff Goldblum in “Jurassic Park,” just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should — even if that something is “cool.”

Ben Lamm and Eriona Hysolli recently took to Newsweek to announce that they and their team at Colossal Biosciences are bringing the woolly mammoth back to life. This is not a pie-in-the-sky pseudo-sci fi dream that might happen at some undefined future date. “Our first mammoth calves will be born in 2028,” they declare.

The plan is to recreate the genome (the complete set of genes or genetic material of a cell or organism) of the woolly mammoth from preserved mammoth remains. This will be achieved through DNA editing, synthesis technologies, and AI, which will “help us with all the computational analysis of ancient genomes, assembly, comparative genomics, and recommendation systems on what types of tools to use.” These recreated genetic packages will then be implanted into the harvested egg of an Asian elephant (the closest living relation of the mammoth) and — voila! — a baby mammoth (or “a cold-resistant elephant” as Colossal Biosciences’ website says.)

Ask why, exactly, we need to bring mammoths back to life, and the answers become numerous and hideously predictable. Colossal Biosciences’ website lists 10 “core goals” for resurrecting the species that can be boiled down to climate change and saving modern elephants from extinction. Both reasons are bogus.

To take the easiest one — preserving elephants — first, the obvious question is: How will elephants be saved with the reintroduction of mammoths? The Asian elephant’s habitat is India and Southeast Asia. The African forest elephant and the African savannah elephant both live exactly where their names suggest. Making a “cold-resistant elephant” won’t do anything for them.

Lamm and Hysolli give something of an answer when they say that their work could be used to combat elephant endotheliotropic herpesviruses (EEHV), which kill up to 20 percent of elephant calves every year. So why not just direct all of their technology to combat that very concrete threat?

Lamm and Hysolli claim that “there’s no big market from a financing perspective, so not enough technology and resources have gone into that.” At a time when people are literally vowing to not have children to “save the planet,” there’s no market to eradicate an elephant-killing virus, even though elephants are a keystone species? And the elephant in the corner is that Colossal Biosciences already has the technology and equipment. Even if it lost half of its finances (Colossal has an annual revenue of $35.1 million and a total funding of $225 million), there should still be some resources to fight the problem.

The arguments about climate change are just as unconvincing. There are the usual, low-hanging objections: If man is the primary causer of climate change, how will bringing mammoths back to life solve the problem? If bringing mammoths back to life is the solution, why does Bill Gates want to dim the sun? Since scientists just now discovered that trees were messing with their climate models, how can we be sure that bringing back an extinct species will actually “fight climate change”?

Then there are more serious problems. It’s a fact that the climate has changed since the last woolly mammoths died 4,000 years ago. This means that if a woolly mammoth were stitched together, brought to life, and plopped into the wilderness, the cold ecosystems would not be the same.

Furthermore, there is the problem of the phenotypes. A phenotype is a set of observable characteristics of an organism that come from the interaction of the organism’s genetic makeup and its environment. Lamm and Hysolli are clear that their genetic engineering must get the phenotypes of their mammoths correct. “We must also be sure the genetic engineering is producing the phenotypes we need to recreate the mammoth and its famous traits,” they say.

But since modern man has never seen a woolly mammoth, how can anyone be sure that the genetic engineering is producing authentic mammoth phenotypes? And if that can’t be guaranteed, how do we know that these assembly-lined lumps of carbon will actually diversify and strengthen the ecosystems they are put into?

The one excuse Lamm and Hysolli give that rings true is that “outside of the benefits to the planet, it’s also just a cool, fun, and inspiring thing to be doing.” Those words become more chilling when you realize that the woolly mammoth is not the only species slated for resurrection. True, most of them are benign. Passenger pigeons and dodos and Carolina parakeets are not exactly going to be threats. But saber-toothed tigers? Cave bears? These animals have been extinct for so many thousands of years and were such ferocious predators that it is doubtful they would have any intrinsic fear of man, similar to polar bears today.

What’s more, what other extinct animals will just be “cool” and “fun” to resurrect? The list will expand as more remains with preserved DNA are found and AI and genetic engineering procedures become more fine-tuned. But we don’t even have to be that melodramatic about it. What sort of diseases will these things bring back with them? What diseases will mutate to infect these new species, and how will these mutations affect humans? How will these newly resurrected species interact with today’s species? How many species will be driven to extinction as resurrected animals fight them for space and resources?

We might soothe our minds by saying these questions will be settled in a democratic way with people able and encouraged to share and argue for their perspectives. But that’s not how Colossal Biosciences is going to play this game.

We don’t view our role as one to persuade people. That’s not our job. … What we’ve found with naysayers is that some are informed. We’ll run towards those people. … If they really know the science or the conservation sphere, and have informed criticisms, then that helps us.

This aristocratic attitude — and not which extinct species will be brought back — is the real source of terror embedded in the “de-extinction” campaign. Modern man has become accustomed (perhaps too accustomed) to massive technological change within a short time frame; in less than 30 years, for example, cell phones went from a bagged luxury to a pocketed necessity. Massive ecological change is completely different.

The vision and philosophy espoused by Lamm, Hysolli, and Colossal is one in which ordinary, “uneducated” people are simply meat cogs without a voice or any means of expressing their opinion, not just about what happens to their country but, even more primitively, what sort of physical world they live in. Right now, it is possible for someone to throw away the iPhone, cancel the Wi-Fi, and live in a log cabin in the mountains. He still can exercise some choice over his existence. But if the “cool kids” decide they want to populate his world with saber-toothed tigers or Neanderthal men, he will have absolutely no say in the matter. Our hypothetical man will simply have to live with the consequences of their genetic playtime. And what will be the consequences when the fun lovers decide that resurrection is old hat? What will happen when they decide that the next step is to play with our genetics?

During Lent, Christians are reminded that we are dust and to dust we will return. We do not need to be wet clay for the playpen of mad scientists.


Nathan Stone is a storyteller who looks at culture, politics, and religion from a different POV on his YouTube channel Nate on the Stone, and who exercises the moral imagination in his writing. A lover of books, music and the outdoors (especially with dogs) he earned a masters in American history from Liberty University in 2016.


TOPICS: History; Pets/Animals; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: cloning; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; mammoth; mammoths; nathanstone; resurrection; scientists
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To: EEGator

I’m strangely comfortable with that.

/but gimme another Boondock Saints please


61 posted on 02/20/2024 12:31:22 PM PST by Salamander (Please visit my profile page help save my beloved dog's life. https://www.givesendgo.com/G2FUF.)
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To: Salamander

There’s only one Boondock Saints…
Same for The Matrix.


62 posted on 02/20/2024 12:38:57 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

But the boys are still in prison!!!!


63 posted on 02/20/2024 1:53:10 PM PST by Salamander (Please visit my profile page help save my beloved dog's life. https://www.givesendgo.com/G2FUF.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III; SeekAndFind; SunkenCiv; Beowulf9; blam; Buttons12

I have heard of one experiment that might indicate genetic memory. Little 2 year olds were shown a fuzzy stuffed animal. When they reached for it they received a mild shock. It took 23 reachings and shocks before they stopped doing that. They were also shown a snake, but it only took 3 shocks to extinguish reaching behavior. If you were an ape or monkey ancestor, either you stopped reaching or you ended up dead. Or else you responded quickly when mama indicated NO to reaching. So I would not be surprised if there are genes left in our genome for snake avoidance.

Duke University has done research on ESP and telepathy. One type of experiment showed one subject an object who then tried to think the object to someone in a different room. These objects were shown at one minute intervals. Not much success with this methodology. Based on some personal experiences, I think experiments causing fear or alarm (particularly using creatures) in one person, with the other person distant to receive impressions would work better. Also with much longer intervals than a minute. Here are three of my experiences.

Two were with my son when he was between 2 and 3 years old. The first happened when my babysitter said she could no longer babysit after the end of the week. As son and I walked home, I was very upset and thinking “I must phone my husband and talk about this.” We walked into the house, my son walked to the phone, handed it to me and said, “Here, mommy.” THe second happened a few months later. Our kitchen and laundry were in the basement and I kept a carton there with toys for him to play with. One evening as I walked down stairs to do laundry, I saw a large waterbug (roach) run up the side of the box, perch on the cut out handle, and disappear into the carton. The next day as son and I were walking down the stairs, hand in hand, I thought, “Oh, I must empty the box and make sure the roach is not there.” He stopped and said “woach”, then looked up at me with a puzzled look. I asked, “Did you see a roach?” He nodded “Yes”. I asked him to go touch the place where he saw the roach. He walked to the carton and put his finger on the bottom of the hand hold hole where I had seen it the night before and had looked as we walked down the stairs. It had NOT been there that morning. I believe his puzzled look was because he got a memory flash from me and could not see an actual roach that morning. But he touched exactly the spot where I had felt strong alarm the night before and mild alarm as we walked down the stairs with the memory and need to make the box safe for him.

A third experience was with my husband. He had gone to visit my girlfriend’s brother for language practice. It was a 20 minute walk to their home. I was cooking and called her to find out when he would be home for dinner. She said he left 10 minutes earlier, just then a centipede scurried across my rug. I yelped, jumped up, and stomped on it. I sat to continue talking to my friend, but it started wiggling again, and I stomped some more. I ended the call, and cleaned up and disposed of the carcass. After ten minutes, my husband arrived. I was in the kitchen but called out, “Guess what I saw today?” He said, “A centipede.” I was shocked, and after a moment of thought asked, “Did anything interesting happen while you were walking home?” He said, “I was halfway home and had a strong feeling something was wrong. I stopped and looked around but everything seemed normal, so I walked to the corner, but then had that feeling again. I looked around but still saw nothing strange, so walked home.” We had never seen a centipede in that apartment. Roaches and mice, but no centipedes. So anyway, I do believe telepathy exists in unusual circumstances. I am not worried about human hating mammoth memories, although mistreating them would probably be a bad idea. If a toddler will avoid a snake with 3 mild shocks, how long would it take for abuse to create a raging mammoth.

As to mammoth ivory, yes, craftspeople/jewelers do use it as a substitute for illegal modern ivory, or else for its antique aspects or darker color or stain patterns.


64 posted on 02/20/2024 7:31:59 PM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; SeekAndFind; SunkenCiv

I don’t think it will get quite that bad. It is more possible that large herds of buffalo on restored prairies will become a bigger source of meat protein. Semi wild buffalo can be kinder to the ecosystem than commercially grown cow meat. Also, Covid or similar pandemics may reduce world populations enough to reduce the influence of the greenies. Another scary thought.


65 posted on 02/20/2024 7:43:34 PM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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To: SunkenCiv

UMGOWA!!


66 posted on 02/20/2024 8:34:13 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: gleeaikin

Interesting post.
There are people in my life for whom I have great respect, they’re intelligent, reasonable folks, but such things as you mention NEVER happen to them.
They happen in my family too often to be considered remarkable.
Nope, not going into details. And I’ve no explanation or much of a theory either.
But then, until maybe 150 years ago nobody believed in radio waves. Imagine trying to tell someone about that, back then.


67 posted on 02/21/2024 8:30:21 AM PST by Buttons12 ( )
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To: martin_fierro

Where’d I put the keys to the Time Machine? ...


68 posted on 02/21/2024 9:51:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Buttons12; SunkenCiv

I read a book once about Psychic Phenomena in the Soviet Union. There was a chapter called, Sender, the Forgotten Psychic. I have the characteristics of a Sender, strong will and strong visualization ability. My husband was predominantly Scotch ancestry with 1/16th Canadian Cree Indian, That Cree might have had some Eskimo blood because the dentist asked my son, 1/32nd Cree Indian if he had any Eskimo blood as he prepared to pull 4 of my son’s 8 wisdom teeth. I only remember getting one flash, and that was ESP, not telepathy.


69 posted on 02/21/2024 10:54:02 AM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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To: EEGator

“I want a thylacine.”

That would up your “cool” score into, at least, low earth orbit.


70 posted on 02/22/2024 11:52:50 AM PST by oldvirginian (Biscuits and Gravy, not just for breakfast!)
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To: oldvirginian

I’d be a King at the dog park.


71 posted on 02/22/2024 11:55:29 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

To those of us who love the Cool factor and also hate the mouthy little lapdogs of the world, you would reach demi-god status.


72 posted on 02/22/2024 12:03:29 PM PST by oldvirginian (Biscuits and Gravy, not just for breakfast!)
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To: Leaning Right

But those arent likely to be bright enough to train for work.

Maybe you could pop down to Bobs Used Ice Age Mammals and pick up a nice Doedicurus or other glyptodont.


73 posted on 02/23/2024 3:13:02 PM PST by gnarledmaw (Hivemind liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives select servants.)
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